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Hey Donald, have you given these voters in coal country what you promised? (Original Post) RKP5637 Jul 2018 OP
Lying to people works. bitterross Jul 2018 #1
It really really pisses me off that he treated them that way for the vote. These are good RKP5637 Jul 2018 #2
I remember when growing up and watching one man trying do something about it...that man was turbinetree Jul 2018 #4
Bobby was wonderful. One of my friends knew him and the family. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #6
WVa. gave JFK the Democratic Primary, I remember. Before that, Eleanor appalachiablue Jul 2018 #10
Yepper, spot on.....................thank you for the reminder turbinetree Jul 2018 #11
A memorable time for WVa. and the nation. I look forward to Nov.! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #16
I had been saying for years a backlash was going to occur, far too many people disadvantaged, in RKP5637 Jul 2018 #14
You would think, and I hope things improve. There's much lack appalachiablue Jul 2018 #18
I wonder how many of them will remain yuiyoshida Jul 2018 #3
I think some will change once they realize the hard way that all Trump spun to them was lies. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #7
Pawns. Not to be mean, but that's what it is. These people generally live within 100 miles of me. dameatball Jul 2018 #5
Hillbilly Elogy True Blue American Jul 2018 #21
My uncle who died sometime ago and was not a politician Maggiemayhem Jul 2018 #8
Definitely that would help! They think they are forgotten by the democratic party. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #9
That's a great idea blue-wave Jul 2018 #17
These are the kinds of people that put 45 in power apkhgp Jul 2018 #12
It's both disgusting and frightening. It's easy to see how Hitler and similar came to power and RKP5637 Jul 2018 #13
I agree with you apkhgp Jul 2018 #15
Be sure to emphasize that Donald wants America to protect Chinese jobs at ZTE, a company involved in keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #19
At the end of the video the 92 year old told the truth. True Blue American Jul 2018 #20
It still begs the question.... even if Dems end up controlling Congress in 2020 and 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #22
I've wondered that for a long time. TPTB, whomever, at least from my perspective seem to RKP5637 Jul 2018 #24
Those areas need clean water,air True Blue American Jul 2018 #23
EXACTLY what needs to happen. These people need help. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #25
The skilled trades (plumbers, carpenters, bricklayers) PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2018 #26
That attitude is changing! True Blue American Jul 2018 #27
I wish I could give likes,here!:) True Blue American Jul 2018 #28
Hillary told the truth and they hated her for it... LakeArenal Jul 2018 #29
Yep, they didn't want to know the facts/truths! So, they settled for lies. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2018 #30
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
1. Lying to people works.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:03 PM
Jul 2018

He blew smoke up their asses and they bought it. I feel bad for them. He used their desperation against them.

The coal jobs are not coming back no matter who is President. Nor are the buggy whip and carriage jobs.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
2. It really really pisses me off that he treated them that way for the vote. These are good
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:16 PM
Jul 2018

people, they need help, but not the kind of lies Trump fed them. Trump is a disgusting POS.

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
4. I remember when growing up and watching one man trying do something about it...that man was
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jul 2018


RFK In West Virginia

This is a capture of some archival footage found in the movie "Bobby" by Emilio Estevez.


appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
10. WVa. gave JFK the Democratic Primary, I remember. Before that, Eleanor
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jul 2018

Roosevelt was also popular there. Miners put pictures of FDR and John L. Lewis on their walls at home, mother said. She took our brother to see LBJ. The Mountain state was solid blue labor Democratic for a long period. How times change.

Winning West Virginia—JFK's Primary Campaign



"I would not be where I now am, I would not have some of the responsibilities which I now bear, if it had not been for the people of West Virginia." President John F. Kennedy, June 20, 1963

Religious bigotry was one of John F. Kennedy’s greatest adversaries in the 1960 Presidential primary campaign. In West Virginia, he confronted the issue head-on and defeated it. In early April, JFK arrived in West Virginia, a rural state with a struggling economy, to discover that a strong lead in a state poll tracked four months earlier had evaporated. He now trailed his opponent, Senator Hubert Humphrey, by 20 points. The explanation came from Kennedy’s advisors: “No one in West Virginia knew you were a Catholic in December. Now they know.”
Yet just four weeks later, the people of West Virginia handed him a stunning victory that he credited with securing the Democratic nomination for President. Sweeping a state in which Catholics comprised barely 5 percent of the population, Senator Kennedy proved that a Catholic candidate could win votes.

JFK’s campaign in West Virginia was all-out. He traveled up and down the state—meeting thousands of voters, listening to their stories and speaking at large events and small gatherings. He shone a national spotlight on their plight and
detailed a plan for economic recovery. He commended their strength in the face of adversity. He affirmed the separation of church and state.
And on May 10, 1960, the people of an economically distressed, overwhelmingly Protestant, hardscrabble state in Appalachia put their trust in the elegant, young Catholic senator, who spoke in a Boston accent about a brighter future. He won their votes, and they won his heart. The people of West Virginia—their kindness and fairness, their grit and determination and patriotism—made their mark on this young candidate and helped to shape the President he would become. https://www.jfklibrary.org/Exhibits/Past-Exhibits/Winning-West-Virginia.aspx

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
11. Yepper, spot on.....................thank you for the reminder
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:14 PM
Jul 2018

it needs to be said.............................


November 2018 cannot get here fast enough...............vote

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
14. I had been saying for years a backlash was going to occur, far too many people disadvantaged, in
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:24 PM
Jul 2018

poverty, destitute. And Trump promised them the golden egg, totally used them for the vote ... and will kick them to the roadside as roadkill.

appalachiablue

(41,113 posts)
18. You would think, and I hope things improve. There's much lack
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jul 2018

of info. and educ. and easy propaganda, but even so...

In this story now in LBN, Manchin spats with Schumer over his vote decision on the new SC nom.
Joe states that there are 800,000 people- 40% of the WVa. state population- who have *pre-existing medical conditions! So it's an impt. issue. That's an unbelievable amount of sickness, mainly from poison, pollution, poverty & lifestyle. Makes my head explode!
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“The Supreme Court will ultimately decide if nearly 800,000 West Virginians with pre-existing conditions will lose their healthcare. This decision will directly impact almost 40% of my state, so I’m very interested in his position on protecting West Virginians with pre-existing conditions." https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/07/09/2018/manchin-statement-on-presidents-supreme-court-nominee

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142109450

dameatball

(7,396 posts)
5. Pawns. Not to be mean, but that's what it is. These people generally live within 100 miles of me.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jul 2018

And they have for generations. Some got out a while back (Hillbilly Elegy) but they always maintained contact with the home place for the most part. There seems to be some kind of built in excuse that people are too old to learn new trades and new ways of thinking. But that process is not as smooth as it sounds. Family runs deep around here.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
21. Hillbilly Elogy
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:24 AM
Jul 2018

Is about an Ohio Town about 30 miles South of me. The family moved here to work at the Steel Mill.

His family stayed there after the Mill closed. After WW 2 his Ancestors moved from KY. for better jobs. Those who stay there have the same mentality of those who stayed in KY. After the war.

Now, they listen to Con men like Trump.

The irony of J D Vance, whose Grandmother pushed him to succeed is that he is now a Republican!

Lost me completely when I found that out.

Maggiemayhem

(809 posts)
8. My uncle who died sometime ago and was not a politician
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jul 2018

picked a town in West Virginia and would fill a truck full of food and drive it down to this poor town. This was a regular thing he did and the community adored him. It might be nice if more liberals did this. Also, Democrats need to campaign in the poverty stricken parts of this state. It worked for both Kennedy’s. We need to change their views of Democrats.

blue-wave

(4,347 posts)
17. That's a great idea
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jul 2018

The national and state party organizations need to follow through. Also, if the next Democratic administration would direct some new technology, clean factory jobs into the poorest areas. It beats the hell out of black lung disease and other dangers of coal mining.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
12. These are the kinds of people that put 45 in power
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:15 PM
Jul 2018

All across the country, in every county and district that one can find are these people that are in such financial despair. During the campaign they saw 45 as a savior, he was and always has been a devil. This idiot on the campaign trail was able to use the financial destitution these people had for votes. And now all of them are going to see their grasp of the American Dream dry up and blow away in the wind. I am just so pissed off that a few flowery words could get an idiot like this into office.



RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
13. It's both disgusting and frightening. It's easy to see how Hitler and similar came to power and
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:21 PM
Jul 2018

Trump is using the same playbook. He's a damn sociopath, and some people still don't get it.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
15. I agree with you
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jul 2018

For me the frightening part is that we are all watching the same news broadcasts ( I think). But everybody has a different perspective and things get twisted out of context.

The disgusting part is just having to see that filthy swine on television everyday.


keithbvadu2

(36,724 posts)
19. Be sure to emphasize that Donald wants America to protect Chinese jobs at ZTE, a company involved in
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:30 AM
Jul 2018

Be sure to emphasize that Donald wants America to protect Chinese jobs at ZTE, a company involved in hacking American cyber security.

Those coal miners will surely keep the faith in Donald.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
20. At the end of the video the 92 year old told the truth.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 06:15 AM
Jul 2018

Politicians would not even know where this place is,except for votes.

That has to change.

3Hotdogs

(12,364 posts)
22. It still begs the question.... even if Dems end up controlling Congress in 2020 and
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:05 AM
Jul 2018

the White House, what can/will they do to help places like W.V., Tn., Camden, NJ and such.


There is no reason for any factories to move there. Coal cannot compete with gas.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
24. I've wondered that for a long time. TPTB, whomever, at least from my perspective seem to
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jul 2018

ignore those areas.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
23. Those areas need clean water,air
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jul 2018

And new types of jobs. We need a Jobs/ Infrastucture bill. Clinics, whatever will help those areas better themseves. The UN Report is right. Education, training programs for new skilled jobs. Plumbers, Carpenters, nurses.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,839 posts)
26. The skilled trades (plumbers, carpenters, bricklayers)
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jul 2018

and other basic jobs that support people, like nursing and teaching, are generally looked down upon, especially by the college-educated elites. Oh, truck drivers. I understand that there's already a growing shortage of truck drivers, and that's only going to get worse.

I recently had new windows and doors installed, and I told the two guys who did it how grateful I am that there are people like them out there to do this, because I sure as heck couldn't. The one said he really liked doing it, and his entire manner all day supported that claim.

Meanwhile, the mantra that everyone must have a four year liberal arts college education sends young people into irrational debt and does not open the door to a decent job. Our high schools should be instrumental in getting young people thinking about the skilled trades, but every time someone suggests that, whether here or out in the larger world, well meaning people start screaming that we're only trying to disadvantage some people. Actually, they'd be greatly advantaged to learn a trade. A person can always go back to college or simply read on their own if they want to learn more.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
27. That attitude is changing!
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jul 2018

Now that Tool Shops are desperate for Toolmakers.

Electricians, Plumbers, Carpenters, furnace and AC replacement and repair.

For so long, like you said they have been downgraded. Anyone that works with their hands.

I recently had an old Sun room torn down,replaced with a bright,new long lasting deck that needs no upkeep. Bottom and shutters painted,power washed. Both leaders were middle aged. The painter was 68,painted shutter with out spilling a drop. His helpers were young. I had to remind them a few times what the contract said,( filling stress cracks,etc.)

Community Schools are turning out the students mentioned above as fast as they can. They make a good wage with an AD.

Vocational Schools are turning out experienced students. Even Public Schools are now concentrating on Engineering,Robotics. The tools needed for the future.

Those areas that have high unemployment need this. It costs money to invest in the future. Republicans are dragging us back.

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