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Don't believe everything you see or hear from these Guaido supporters. (Original Post) Crowman2009 Feb 2019 OP
Yup... It's so hard to know what to believe any more... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #1
Please do, go to Venezuela Perseus Feb 2019 #8
And who are you? jberryhill Feb 2019 #2
Joanna Hausmann makes amusing YouTube videos about the Spanish language... Iggo Feb 2019 #3
Sounds entertaining jberryhill Feb 2019 #4
Yeah, I didn't get that part, either. Iggo Feb 2019 #5
Most ppl. that follow this saga since 2000 know that america has been trying juxtaposed Feb 2019 #6
Yup. Although Chavez and Maduro did not help things with their over reactionary moves. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #7
 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
1. Yup... It's so hard to know what to believe any more...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 12:50 PM
Feb 2019

If you didn't know better, you would think all Elizabeth Warren ever talks about is her American Indian heritage. Why are the poor Venezuelan protesters so fat and well dressed? I guess I just have to go down to Venezuela and find out for myself... We've been lied to so much, we wouldn't know the truth if it smacked us in the face.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
8. Please do, go to Venezuela
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:00 PM
Feb 2019

DISCLAIMER: I have not seen the video.

Just because the father of someone did something at the IMF that may not be of some people's liking, or even legal? guilty action by the parents are not hereditary unless the children were part of the actions, not all families are like the trumps.

Why I will not see the video? Because I DO KNOW the situation in Venezuela, the kleptocracy that is the regime, aided by the military is real, and if there are any trolls around who want to support the Venezuelan regime, and there are, let us not forget that Maduro is a product of the Castro regime, and they are being aided by the Russians, so anything that comes out from them is truly fake, not like the orange buffoon claims of "fake news", those are really fake.

Anyone who doubts any of what is going on Venezuela should take a trip there and stay a week, be alerted that there is a 50% chance that you, as an American, will come back alive because you, as an American, don't have the faintest idea where to go, where not to go, until what time of the day you can be out on the street, which is still no guarantee, they rob and kill people at all hours of the day, but of course it does get worst past 06:00pm.

So please, do go, and stop "not knowing what to believe" because of a video you watched. For anyone who's decision making process is done by videos, there are plenty of them out there that show the struggle of the Venezuelan people, military killing them during marches when the constitution allows for peaceful protests, empty markets/super-markets, people dying in hospitals.

Here is a video by the BBC on the torture and police corruption going on there:
[link:http://caraotalibre.cf/nacionales/bbc-destapo-en-un-documental-las-violaciones-cometidas-en-el-helicoide/|

One more thing...Venezuela has an European heritage, Venezuelans have always been people who like to dress well, even if its not expensive, but believe it or not, most of the country is always dressed well, it is part of the culture. Another things is that Venezuela is full of educated people with class, yes there are those "nouveau riche", mostly from the regime, who have no class. If you see how the orange buffoon behaves you would never think he comes from a well-to-do family, that he has been educated in some of the best schools (monkey who dresses in silk is still a monkey), but for the most part Venezuelans are proud people, and one way of showing it is through their neat dressing. Don't judge a book by its cover! and don't insult the Venezuelan people by trying to denigrate them because to you they look "fat and well dressed", many of these people are being killed during those protests, or they are being taken to the "La Tumba" which is a basement jail, and that of the video on the link where they are being tortured in the most horribly ways you can think of.

Caracas, the capital of Venezuela, and many other cities in the country, loose electricity on a daily basis, and sometimes it can go for days, the water gets shut-off, many homes keep containers full of water around the house to make sure they have some when the water is shut down. If you have to go to a hospital you have to take your own sheets, towels, blankets, water, etc. and the hospitals do not have medicines.

Venezuelans are famous for not migrating, but the regime has forced people to start doing it because, even when they are not involved in politics, they fear for the lives because they may get robbed, or killed. By chance I met a Venezuelan dentist at the airport when my sister was getting ready to fly to Paris, this dentist is working carrying bags at the airport, you meet a lot of professionals, College educated Venezuelans working cleaning bathrooms, working as waiters at restaurants, I know a lawyer who is a waiter at a restaurant where I live, she left a good practice in Venezuela because she would rather be free than to walk to the corner and have to look left and right to make sure no one is following her to either rob her and possibly kill her, or kidnap her.

I understand that this post of mine is a rant, but I am truly fed up about the false information and the lack of effort of many people to try to find out the truth, the suffering of the Venezuelan people is real, this has nothing to do with oil, like many people like to think, the oil industry in Venezuela is 1/2 of what it used to be and it will take many years to get it back to what it was, and by then I hope that solar and other renewable solutions are in place.

Anyway...enough said.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. And who are you?
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 12:58 PM
Feb 2019

I don’t know why I should give a fuck who is Joanna Hausmann, let alone whomever her father happens to be.

The continued presence of Maduro supporters on DU is amusing, though.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
3. Joanna Hausmann makes amusing YouTube videos about the Spanish language...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

...and its difference to English and also the differences in the way it's spoken in the different Spanish-speaking countries, including the United States. (That doesn't mean you should give a fuck about her. That's just the one thing I know about her.)

I have no idea who the OP is...lol.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Sounds entertaining
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 02:20 PM
Feb 2019

And her views on politics or her family background is relevant to what?

I mean, "Here's an entertainer whose political opinions I disagree with" could be its own forum here.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that my opinions about Venezuela were not being influenced by some YouTuber of whom I've never heard.

But, Jesus, the better part of a half hour of some anonymous psycho stalker going after a YouTube nobody? WTF?

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
6. Most ppl. that follow this saga since 2000 know that america has been trying
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:58 PM
Feb 2019

to overthrow the government. DU has had 2 members pushing for a rightwing coup for over 4 years and a couple new members joining in, in the last few months. This is a racist clash and Hugo knew it was from the beginning. You have indigenous ppl. and ppl. of color on one side and you have the old money of Caracas Spain,and Portugal on the other side .

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
7. Yup. Although Chavez and Maduro did not help things with their over reactionary moves.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 07:52 PM
Feb 2019

But it was damned if they didn't damned if they did for those two leaders They wanted to protect the advances for their people that was long overdue from decades, maybe centuries, of abuse by the international financial movers and shakers, including ones from the USA. And those financial forces did NOT want to give up their gravy train they were running out of V. at the expense of everyday workers.

So they have been fighting tooth and nail ever since Chavez was elected. They tried a coup, they used the opposition media owned by US right wing ownership to use propaganda against them. They used necessities, and food making industries to curb production and imports to try and make the people angry at the government.

Each time Maduro had a choice, give up the peoples revolution or act authoritarian and clamp down to make it hard for the international capitalist war to be as effective. The only problem is it also hurt the people that he was supposed to be helping. He couldn't win. It was doomed to fail with so many wealthy forces working night and day against their government surviving.

Its sad. In a few years they may, with the help of Trump, and even Democrats, and cheered on by even some in DU, eventually devolve back into an authoriatative right wing Trumpian government, like Brazil. Back to servicing overseas corporations and the 1% exclusively. Screw the poor, and indigenous. I guess some here will be happy when that eventually happens.

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