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(67,111 posts)more reign and the US will be a total loss. Hell, even Dwight Eisenhower would be shunned by these jerks.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and hated the Soviet Union. Complete opposite of Trump.
Nixon was smart and did some good things - EPA for one.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Pluvious
(4,312 posts)1. Voter memories are notoriously short lived
2. It's not fear of a few tweets holding then in line, but the threat of Kompromat
bucolic_frolic
(43,181 posts)Pluvious
(4,312 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)see how eager they are to snuggle up to the Idiot.
jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)But my family is largely Republican, and we've sent several of my cousins to war. One was killed 12 years ago in Iraq. Yet they still cling to the idea that Republicans are good for the military and that Democrats are bad.
Even a dead son/brother/cousin/nephew will not sway them.
I weep for our country.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)patphil
(6,182 posts)When it appeared I may have been drafted to fight in the Vietnam War, my mother went from hawk to dove in about 1 heartbeat.
I decided to enlist in the Air Force, and be part of the medical corp to reduce the possibility I would end up in a dangerous situation there.
It worked, I never left North America. But, 4 guys from my upstate New York high school ended up dying over there.
Overall, I think most families will not want their family members fighting in these wars, and will react very unfavorably toward a government that escalates tensions to the point where the numbers of dead servicemen and women begins to climb.
It's easy to be pro war when there is no immediate consequence.
It gets harder when it strikes home.
Patrick Phillips
McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes, it strikes home for me every time I hear about a new war based on lies. My brother in law died in Vietnam for a lie. He was drafted and his parents and one sister convinced him to go and he was reluctant. He died four months later. I can smell phony war lies a mile away and I am always out in the street and pushing congress against the forever wars.
jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)I hope you're right, but much has changed in the last 55 years, including the advent of the all-volunteer army. I know it may sound illogical to us, but if you're a right-winger, you spend much of your life in fear of the other, and you also have been inculcated with a deep sense of (misguided) patriotism and with the value of martyrdom as a statement of family status.
My family feel it is their duty to do what "overly feminine liberals" won't do defend their country against all enemies, mostly foreign, and most recently, Muslim. My aunt who's son was killed in Iraq about 12 years ago in a raid engineered by Suleimani has two more sons currently in the army, and she wouldn't have it any other way. She currently travels the country wearing her Gold Star status as a badge of ultimate honor, and she basks in it as she tells the story of her son's death to audiences around the U.S. She currently is praising Trump on social media for his bravery in taking out her personal demon.
At a memorial service to my cousin at Fort Richardson in Alaska (I was at a conference in Anchorage at the time, so I was able to go), I went on a tour of the fort. My late uncle who served in the Marine Corps told me as we toured, "This is what real men do for a living." I have been a journalist, writer and educator my entire adult life. His message was clear: He'd rather have a dead son than a "pussy" liberal like me.
There's also a death cult that pervades the "heartland" and is only made worse by an evangelical Christian faith that preaches end-times wars in the Middle East as a solution to man's inherent sinfulness.
Peace, my brother, and take care.