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(21,661 posts)So much so, he was called 'Hitler's banker'.
sandensea
(21,661 posts)"If Hitler's gonna say nice things about me, I'm gonna say nice things about him - ok?"
yuiyoshida
(41,859 posts)It says he was from New York, but I have never heard a New York accent like that.. I don't know of anyone today who speaks like that, publically.
bucolic_frolic
(43,276 posts)I would say his accent reflects a few different influences, particularly upper crust New England (and his Harvard roots), a slight bit from Dutch New York City populations (that is different from NYC German immigrants from the mid to late 1800s), and of course the Dutch influence of his upper Hudson Valley heritage. Don't forget that is where he ran for State house, so he would surely play to the local populations. Possibly some historian can point to his tutors or preparatory schooling. But the Roosevelt's were New York-New England Dutch ancestry. Shipping I think was where they made their money.
I have an ear for NYC German a bit, I have an ancestor line in that area. For example, Americans will say the name "Herman". In deeply NYC, say 1900, they would pronounce that "Hoyman". Though that has blended over time, it is still recognizable here and there.
yuiyoshida
(41,859 posts)Several times to the city, several times to Long Island...and all the way to Albany, and west to Buffalo. I have heard a lot of accents in New York, but it was all American accents.. New York City must have many natural accents. Here in California, the accents are mostly of foreign Influence. San Francisco is a very International city, like New York , but most of that influence came from Asia and the Spanish speaking countries.
You can see it in the different neighborhoods...Chinatown..The Mission district...Japantown ..and even a little Saigon. The Philippines as well has blended into our culture here.
bucolic_frolic
(43,276 posts)These are for the most part not people who interact with outsiders because that would change their dialect over generations. But in the neighborhoods, where locals live and work for maybe more than a hundred years, they evolve more slowly. I can still hear nuances of my Brooklyn and NNJ ancestors. NNJ they don't say "beans" like you or I say "beans". In NJ it comes out more like "beentsz" with a very short time spent on the "ee" and the "tsz" is almost like a lisp.
appalachiablue
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that was very popular and taught in the first half of the 20th c. FDR is a classic, the long vowels and more..
Ex. Eleanor Roosevelt, Julia Child, Wm. F. Buckley, Gore Vidal, Jackie Kennedy, the Kennedys, John Kerry, George Plimpton.
In Hollywood: Orson Welles, Bette Davis, Cary Grant, Katherine Hepburn, more. *FDR had the quintessential accent.
Wiki. The Mid-Atlantic accent, or Transatlantic accent, is a purposefully cultivated accent of English blending together features of both American and British English (specifically Received Pronunciation for the latter) that were considered the most prestigious features by the early 20th-century American upper class and entertainment industry. It is not a native or regional accent; instead, according to voice and drama professor Dudley Knight, it is an affected set of speech patterns "whose chief quality was that no Americans actually spoke it unless educated to do so".
Primarily fashionable in the first half of the 20th century, the accent was embraced in private independent preparatory schools, especially by members of the Northeastern upper class, as well as in schools for film and stage acting. The accent's overall use sharply declined following the Second World War. A similar accent that resulted from different historical processes, Canadian dainty, was also known in Canada in the same era. More recently, the term "mid-Atlantic accent" can also refer to any accent with a perceived mixture of both American and British characteristics.
At the start of the 20th century, formal public speaking in the U.S. focused on song-like intonation, lengthily and tremulously uttered vowels, and a booming resonance, rather than the details of given words' phonetic qualities. However, since the 19th century, upper-class communities on the Eastern seaboard increasingly adopted many of the phonetic qualities of educated, non-rhotic (sometimes called "r"-less) British accents based around London and southeastern England, at least as evidenced in recorded public speeches of the time. Sociolinguist William Labov et al. describe that such "r" less pronunciation, following Received Pronunciation', the standard accent of London and much of Southern England, "was taught as a model of correct, international English by schools of speech, acting, and elocution in the United States up to the end of World War II"...
..Now sometimes identified as a Mid-Atlantic accent, this consciously-learned pronunciation was advocated most strongly from the theater and oratory, became popular affectations onstage and in other forms of high culture in North America. The codification of a Mid-Atlantic accent in writing, particularly for theatrical training, is often credited to Edith Warman Skinner in the 1930s,[4][54] a student of Tilly best known for her 1942 instructional text on the accent: Speak with Distinction. The Mid-Atlantic accent was carefully taught as a model of "correct" English in American elocution classes,[6] and it was also taught for use in the American theater prior to the 1960s (after which it fell out of vogue).[70] It is still taught to actors for use in playing historical characters.[71] A version codified by voice coach Edith Skinner was once widely taught in acting schools of the earlier 20th century. Her code is listed below:[citation needed]...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent
bucolic_frolic
(43,276 posts)I knew someone would know more, and I should lookup these things. But I still maintain there's some Hudson Valley in him, via New Amsterdam.
FDR and former NJ Gov Tom Kean did sound a bit alike from what I remember.
But really Mid-Atlantic is a wide area, I've lived here 50+ years and have never heard any locals with an accent like FDR
appalachiablue
(41,170 posts)our Dutch tour guide mentioned that 'Roosevelt' means 'field of roses' in Dutch.
I'd never thought about it before, but studied German & suddenly realized how obvious it was. Shoulda known that. Lol.
yuiyoshida
(41,859 posts)I have often wondered why some accents of the past have faded away, and I am guessing because of the influence of immigrants who have come to the United States, have brought parts of their previous language with them.
Its funny that in Japan, there are many cross over words from the United States. (A short note: Japanese consists of four styles of writing. Katakana カタカナ, Hiragana ひらがな and Kanji using Chinese characters 漢字. Any words from other countries and adopted to Japanese are relegated to Katakana, (Coffee=Kohi=コヒ ) while home grown Japanese words are used with Hiragana. Example :
apple =Ringo=りんご ) Here are a few examples:
English Japanese
cookie = kukki
coffee = kohi
Tape Recorder - Tepurekoda
Radio - Rajio
Camera- Kamera
Beer - Biru
Taxi - Takushi
Bus - Basu
Sandwich - Sandoichi
Hamburger - Hanbaga
TV - Terebi
CD - Shidi
Cake - Keke
Record - Rekodo
News - Nyusu
There are many other examples... The Japanese have also borrowed words from other languages as well , for example Bread
is Pan, just like in Spanish.