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TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:34 PM Nov 2020

As Predicted, Joe Manchin Steps Right Up And Promises To Scuttle Any Progressive Agenda.

(Sorry about the Fox News link)
It's good to know that there are still SOME things that are predictable about this election. One of them is the prompt appearance of 'Democratic' Senator Joe Manchin promising to block any progressive moves by VOTING AGAINST abolishing the filibuster. Thus, even if Democrats work their guts out, and manage to win both Georgia Senate seats, Manchin promises still hand the GOP the Koch-block button, allowing them to bring the country to a grinding halt until we have a Republican President again. The standard Republican strategy: "If WE can't govern, NOBODY can!"

Manchin promises to vote AGAINST abolition of the filibuster, meaning you'd need a minimum of 10 Republican senators to pass any law brought in by Democrats. Yeah...good luck with that, Joe.

And it's not like he'd pay a price for eliminating the filibuster. He's not even up for election for another four years.

I'll tell you what. How about the Democrats start talking about funding a HUGE green energy project in West Virginia that will put thousands to work...but if Manchin still votes to keep the filibuster, it'll be FUCK YOU, JOE! That would give him the POLITICAL COVER he needs to vote to abolish the filibuster.

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As Predicted, Joe Manchin Steps Right Up And Promises To Scuttle Any Progressive Agenda. (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 OP
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #1
He's better than a Republican Senator - even if only just a little. TomSlick Nov 2020 #2
Yeah, Brett Baier was trying to prod him into "becoming a Republican" during the interview. TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 #19
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #3
It's 10 Republican senators not 17 VMA131Marine Nov 2020 #4
Thanks! I fixed it. I must have been thinking about amending rules. nt TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 #17
By not picking up ten seats, it was always going to be difficult Hassler Nov 2020 #5
And getting the committee chairs, and a majority vote on committees. I'll give him that. nt TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 #20
unfortunately if we win both GA seats he will be in charge, not the majority leader msongs Nov 2020 #6
So Is He Going To Block Health Care For West Virginians? Me. Nov 2020 #7
No .... Iliyah Nov 2020 #8
Manchin himself doesn't have to block anything. If he votes to keep the filibuster, the Republicans TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 #18
He's better than the alternative! Firebrand Gary Nov 2020 #9
What is strategically gained by this interview by Manchin? theaocp Nov 2020 #14
So you're telling me that fewer senate democrats is better for confirmations? Firebrand Gary Nov 2020 #25
So, nothing gained? theaocp Nov 2020 #28
At least a GOP senator would honestly try to fuck us . . . hatrack Nov 2020 #16
Save it. Firebrand Gary Nov 2020 #27
We need to look toward 2022 pfitz59 Nov 2020 #10
I predict he will switch parties if we dont win both GA seats and take control nt msongs Nov 2020 #11
Wouldn't surprise me mountain grammy Nov 2020 #23
That means he's also against Biden getting even Bettie Nov 2020 #12
another Lieberman. nt yaesu Nov 2020 #13
No Progressive agenda is happening with 48 Senators redstateblues Nov 2020 #15
Joe's a fossil fuel guy, as in Regressive agenda. jalan48 Nov 2020 #21
He sucks mountain grammy Nov 2020 #22
this asshat thinks people who believe limbaugh are a legitimate part of his constituency certainot Nov 2020 #24
Goppers gonna gop BaronChocula Nov 2020 #26

Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

TomSlick

(11,110 posts)
2. He's better than a Republican Senator - even if only just a little.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:38 PM
Nov 2020

He runs in a very conservative state. He is not going to commit political suicide.

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
19. Yeah, Brett Baier was trying to prod him into "becoming a Republican" during the interview.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:52 PM
Nov 2020

Literally, Manchin listed all the ways he was going to screw the Democratic Party agenda, and then Baier said "but you won't become a Republican?"

Obviously if he did that, it would be the last straw. But, at least if he stays a Democrat, and assuming (a big assumption) Democrats win both Georgia seats, it would prevent Republicans from Chairing all the committees, and having majority votes on all the committees. I'll give him that much.

Response to TrollBuster9090 (Original post)

VMA131Marine

(4,149 posts)
4. It's 10 Republican senators not 17
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:41 PM
Nov 2020

60 votes needed for cloture not 67 but, as you say, it might as well be a million.

Hassler

(3,390 posts)
5. By not picking up ten seats, it was always going to be difficult
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:43 PM
Nov 2020

To get a progressive agenda through. Now it's about maybe getting to 50 to appoint judges and a functioning executive branch.

msongs

(67,453 posts)
6. unfortunately if we win both GA seats he will be in charge, not the majority leader
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:43 PM
Nov 2020

maybe not officially but if he doesn't get his ball every time he will vote with repubs or even cross over

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
18. Manchin himself doesn't have to block anything. If he votes to keep the filibuster, the Republicans
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:49 PM
Nov 2020

...will do all that, whether he agrees or not. Meanwhile, he gets to be a 'hero' of the both-siderism squad.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
9. He's better than the alternative!
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:49 PM
Nov 2020

Anyone who says that we should shrink our tent is clearly operating in the interest of another tent.

theaocp

(4,245 posts)
14. What is strategically gained by this interview by Manchin?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:18 PM
Nov 2020

It seems like it’s just good news for Republicans. Fuck Republicans.

hatrack

(59,593 posts)
16. At least a GOP senator would honestly try to fuck us . . .
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:38 PM
Nov 2020

Instead of caucusing with us as a "fellow Democrat" for the express purpose of fucking us.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
27. Save it.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:56 AM
Nov 2020

That is bullshit! GOP Senators don't do anything honestly... WORDS MATTER and that should apply to those who use DU as well.

For the record, he voted against the nomination of Barrett.

pfitz59

(10,391 posts)
10. We need to look toward 2022
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:53 PM
Nov 2020

and fry every opposition Senator up for re-election. Send "must pass" bills from the House to the Senate, and watch the faithless fucks try to squirm out of voting. These need not be overly Progressive, but just enough to "chap their hides." Some can even be slightly tailored to affect individual states (with GOP Senators). Ready-made campaign ads. "Why did Senator so-and-so vote against the 'Wisconsin' jobs bill? Because he hates his state, but loves 'dark money'!" A savvy elections staff can make it work...

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