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Full Debate: Elizabeth Warren vs Scott Brown - Boston Herald / UMass Lowell (Original Post) Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 OP
With jerk David Gregory unfair to Warren at so many points -including FailureToCommunicate Oct 2012 #1
David Gregory blew his career in this Debate. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #2
We wish! If only... maddiemom Oct 2012 #15
He did. Trust me. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #16
Good Evening, everbody, I'm David Gregory, misquoter of the debates... n/t DemzRock Oct 2012 #3
Brown is a dooshnipple. Rain Mcloud Oct 2012 #4
51-49 moves something, 50-50 moves nothing MindMover Oct 2012 #5
Tough debate for Warren... jjewell Oct 2012 #6
Gregory immediately puts Warren on the defensive... editor5 Oct 2012 #7
K&R. Thank you for posting the debate video :) n/t Tx4obama Oct 2012 #8
Thank you for the thank you. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #13
Scott Brown needs to be Cha Oct 2012 #9
She needs to take control of the dialog Fearless Oct 2012 #10
Looks like we were typing at the same time stuffmatters Oct 2012 #12
"She NEEDS to be more assertive." Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #14
Infuriating that Gregory was also able to "frame" the debate stuffmatters Oct 2012 #11
Debate SamKnause Oct 2012 #17
okay heaven05 Oct 2012 #18
America is a place of experimentation and curiosity,... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #19

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
1. With jerk David Gregory unfair to Warren at so many points -including
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:54 PM
Oct 2012

the opening 'gotcha' question supporting Scott Brown's ridiculous attack on her background and truthiness-
Warren had to fight some strong head winds to do as well as she did.

It was hard to stomach the unbalance of it all...



thanks for posting the full debate!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
2. David Gregory blew his career in this Debate.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:01 PM
Oct 2012

His idea of a tough question was asking if he would support Romney.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
4. Brown is a dooshnipple.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:45 PM
Oct 2012

He kept throwing the dreaded three and a half year recession in Warren's face.
Hey Moron,the recession started in 2007 and it was due to the failed economic policies that you desperately hide your support of.
I regret that Elizabeth was never allowed the chance to refute this RW TPM Hogwash.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
5. 51-49 moves something, 50-50 moves nothing
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:50 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Brown is a do nothing politician .... he appeases to go along ... he needs to move into the business environment, elect Warren ...

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
10. She needs to take control of the dialog
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:34 AM
Oct 2012

Most of the time she went along for the ride. It would go... Scott Brown says something... She rebuts it. He says something else, she rebuts that...

This is not a winning strategy. She needs to set the dialog. Question and answer can be tricky for this, but what she needs to do is hit him hard. She did this on birth control. He did it to himself on SJC justices. The more time she spends rebutting him the less time she spends controlling dialog and pushing him on his record.

She NEEDS to be more assertive. Not in tone, that's a common mistake. But in topics. She needs to press beyond simply rebutting Brown more often and get him reeling. He is not good on issues he doesn't have polished answers for. He is not good when pressed. He becomes a stuttering, backpedaling mess. That is the Scott Brown that she needs to coax out in the next debate.

Control the dialog, keep him backpedaling, and she will win the debate and the election. I'm sorry to say that for a lot of the debate she seemed like his counterpoint and not an equal. Regardless of if the moderator had anything to do with that, she needs to push through it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. "She NEEDS to be more assertive."
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:01 AM
Oct 2012

Against the Moderator. Someone is going to time how long each person was allowed to speak and you will see what I mean.

I expect TPM to do a clip of the times David Greggory cut her off. There was one laughable point where he cut her off to say "both sides have had their chance to respond" and then went into a commercial.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
11. Infuriating that Gregory was also able to "frame" the debate
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:48 AM
Oct 2012

When did it become a requirement for any candidate to be "bipartisan" or in favor of The Catfood Commission (Bowles Simpson)?
Republican Gregory tonight demanded each candidate prove these idiotic bubble/beltway credentials; there was little space for
actual debate between these two high contrast party nominees.

I'm a Democrat and want a candidate who fights to protect Constitutional rights like the right to vote, the right to chose, the right to fair taxation, the right to affordable healthcare,the right to a safe and healthy environment and planet, the right to every citizen's investments in social insurance of medicare, social security and medicare. Everyone will get old. These are Democratic principles that Scott Brown does not represent no matter how much he touts his fake "bipartisanship." Shouldn't he be asked about how he can align himself with a party systematically engaged in Jim Crow voter suppression or who champion a pipeline that will
deliver only 200 jobs but mean "game over" for the environment?

I was really looking forward to Warren having time to also "clarify" some of Brown's former claims. His two resources for "studies"
proving tax increases on the wealthy and cancellation of oil and polluter taxpayer subsidizies will harm small business: They are from the US Chamber of Commerce and The NFIB - both are mouthpieces and propaganda agents for "vampire squid" level corporate interests. It'd also be really cool if Warren was given the opportunity to mention that the majority of actual small business owners, those that employ 50 or less, poll majority in favor of the healthcare law and also less than 3% make over 250,000 and would be
adversely effected by competent taxing of the wealthy. Halliburton, for example. is not a small business but your local animal clinic is

Gregory and Brown were oh so happy to eat up the clock repeating the getting old and stinky garbage attacks on Warren's heritage and professional past.

Why was there no mention of Brown's questionable self definition as a folksy "small bank real estate and title attorney" According to Mike Lux's article in Huffpo on Sept 28,"Dumb Idea - Put the Guys who Caused the Problem In Charge..." Brown worked as a legal "closer" for the parent company of LPS, one of the worst offenders in the foreclosure fraud industry. I would like Brown to explain.

Brown's lowpoint was definitely the "I'm not one of your students" to Warren. (he got loudly booed) Warren's high point was making lemonade out of Gregory's insipid and obnoxious demand that she explain why there's never been a woman senator from Massachusetts. (Her "I don't know ...but I'm trying to change that" got the biggest laugh of the evening)

BTW there is on the Cspan cite a tape of another debate at the same time as Warren Brown tonight between Eric Cantor and his
very compelling opponent for Va district 7. I think the moderator, a leader in the local (!) Chamber of Commerce, is illustrative in
how to moderate, not control and bias, an informative and entertaining political debate. Highly recommended!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
18. okay
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:52 AM
Oct 2012

everyone who watched debate can agree gregory did not frame the debate questions fairly. that's a given. let's hope the intelligent Massachusetts voter saw this debate for what it was. A right wing hack job. Now my question is, who in the hell picked gregory as moderator? this election is coming down to the fact of it being extremely corrupt. This is not democracy in action. The whole world is laughing at the hypocrisy of this country. I am not proud of amerikkka, land of the almighty money god!!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
19. America is a place of experimentation and curiosity,...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:10 AM
Oct 2012

....and Republicans KNOW this and are telling people, "Come on, don't be closed minded, let's at least TRY and privatize Social Security. Okay?"

Bastards.

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