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FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)the opening 'gotcha' question supporting Scott Brown's ridiculous attack on her background and truthiness-
Warren had to fight some strong head winds to do as well as she did.
It was hard to stomach the unbalance of it all...
thanks for posting the full debate!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)His idea of a tough question was asking if he would support Romney.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I really do expect to see him replaced on "Meet The Press".
DemzRock
(1,016 posts)Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)He kept throwing the dreaded three and a half year recession in Warren's face.
Hey Moron,the recession started in 2007 and it was due to the failed economic policies that you desperately hide your support of.
I regret that Elizabeth was never allowed the chance to refute this RW TPM Hogwash.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)
Brown is a do nothing politician .... he appeases to go along ... he needs to move into the business environment, elect Warren ...
jjewell
(618 posts)having to deal with Gregory and Brown at the same time...
editor5
(67 posts)ahhhh;
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)in Elizabeth Warren's CLASSroom!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Most of the time she went along for the ride. It would go... Scott Brown says something... She rebuts it. He says something else, she rebuts that...
This is not a winning strategy. She needs to set the dialog. Question and answer can be tricky for this, but what she needs to do is hit him hard. She did this on birth control. He did it to himself on SJC justices. The more time she spends rebutting him the less time she spends controlling dialog and pushing him on his record.
She NEEDS to be more assertive. Not in tone, that's a common mistake. But in topics. She needs to press beyond simply rebutting Brown more often and get him reeling. He is not good on issues he doesn't have polished answers for. He is not good when pressed. He becomes a stuttering, backpedaling mess. That is the Scott Brown that she needs to coax out in the next debate.
Control the dialog, keep him backpedaling, and she will win the debate and the election. I'm sorry to say that for a lot of the debate she seemed like his counterpoint and not an equal. Regardless of if the moderator had anything to do with that, she needs to push through it.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I agree with you 100%
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Against the Moderator. Someone is going to time how long each person was allowed to speak and you will see what I mean.
I expect TPM to do a clip of the times David Greggory cut her off. There was one laughable point where he cut her off to say "both sides have had their chance to respond" and then went into a commercial.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)When did it become a requirement for any candidate to be "bipartisan" or in favor of The Catfood Commission (Bowles Simpson)?
Republican Gregory tonight demanded each candidate prove these idiotic bubble/beltway credentials; there was little space for
actual debate between these two high contrast party nominees.
I'm a Democrat and want a candidate who fights to protect Constitutional rights like the right to vote, the right to chose, the right to fair taxation, the right to affordable healthcare,the right to a safe and healthy environment and planet, the right to every citizen's investments in social insurance of medicare, social security and medicare. Everyone will get old. These are Democratic principles that Scott Brown does not represent no matter how much he touts his fake "bipartisanship." Shouldn't he be asked about how he can align himself with a party systematically engaged in Jim Crow voter suppression or who champion a pipeline that will
deliver only 200 jobs but mean "game over" for the environment?
I was really looking forward to Warren having time to also "clarify" some of Brown's former claims. His two resources for "studies"
proving tax increases on the wealthy and cancellation of oil and polluter taxpayer subsidizies will harm small business: They are from the US Chamber of Commerce and The NFIB - both are mouthpieces and propaganda agents for "vampire squid" level corporate interests. It'd also be really cool if Warren was given the opportunity to mention that the majority of actual small business owners, those that employ 50 or less, poll majority in favor of the healthcare law and also less than 3% make over 250,000 and would be
adversely effected by competent taxing of the wealthy. Halliburton, for example. is not a small business but your local animal clinic is
Gregory and Brown were oh so happy to eat up the clock repeating the getting old and stinky garbage attacks on Warren's heritage and professional past.
Why was there no mention of Brown's questionable self definition as a folksy "small bank real estate and title attorney" According to Mike Lux's article in Huffpo on Sept 28,"Dumb Idea - Put the Guys who Caused the Problem In Charge..." Brown worked as a legal "closer" for the parent company of LPS, one of the worst offenders in the foreclosure fraud industry. I would like Brown to explain.
Brown's lowpoint was definitely the "I'm not one of your students" to Warren. (he got loudly booed) Warren's high point was making lemonade out of Gregory's insipid and obnoxious demand that she explain why there's never been a woman senator from Massachusetts. (Her "I don't know ...but I'm trying to change that" got the biggest laugh of the evening)
BTW there is on the Cspan cite a tape of another debate at the same time as Warren Brown tonight between Eric Cantor and his
very compelling opponent for Va district 7. I think the moderator, a leader in the local (!) Chamber of Commerce, is illustrative in
how to moderate, not control and bias, an informative and entertaining political debate. Highly recommended!
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)David Gregory sucks.
Elizabeth did not get equal time.
Scott Brown is arrogant, pushy and rude.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)everyone who watched debate can agree gregory did not frame the debate questions fairly. that's a given. let's hope the intelligent Massachusetts voter saw this debate for what it was. A right wing hack job. Now my question is, who in the hell picked gregory as moderator? this election is coming down to the fact of it being extremely corrupt. This is not democracy in action. The whole world is laughing at the hypocrisy of this country. I am not proud of amerikkka, land of the almighty money god!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....and Republicans KNOW this and are telling people, "Come on, don't be closed minded, let's at least TRY and privatize Social Security. Okay?"
Bastards.