'Very Unsettling': Mike Flynn's Brother Is In Charge Of U.S. Army Pacific - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

Rachel Maddow points out lingering questions and the unsettling fact that while disgraced former Donald Trump NSA Mike Flynn tours the country stoking conspiracy theories and entertaining the idea of a military coup to reinstall Donald Trump as president, his brother, Charles Flynn, has been put in charge of commanding the U.S. Army in the Pacific. Aired on 06/15/2021.

[Mike Nelson]

1. Well...

... I would not want to be judged on the behavior of one of my siblings! I wondered about this story, when it was mentioned in the news some time ago... if we receive facts pointing to Charles participating in the 1/6 attack, why hasn't he been fired? I don't understand... the main "fact" is that they are brothers? Thant's not enough, for me... and, I think it's unfair. Maybe, behind the scenes, Charles is providing information on Mike? Being related is not a crime... of course, it means questions may be asked, but I see no fact about Charles participating in 1/6. I assume, because he is Mike's brother, there are Biden people who have looked at his job performance... and he would not be promoted if he was being investigated.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Oh, I agree. I wouldn't want to be automatically associated with things my brother did

But I think the issue is that there were lies about why he didn't respond when there were desperate calls for assistance when the Capitol was stormed on January 6th - and there still are no answers.

[UCmeNdc]

4. I agree. The younger Gen Flynn demonstrated terrible decision making and bad judgement on Jan 6

This alone is reason enough to be relieved of command and asked to retire. My opinion is Flynn is a terrible security risk and should be relieved of his command. People have lost their command for being associated with actions far less severe than the actions that Flynn is being associated with.

[Rhiannon12866]

6. He should at least come up with answers, the suspicion persists because he still hasn't

And he should also make it a point to disassociate himself from his brother's continuing treasonous actions - that should have been the first thing he did.

[Mike Nelson]

8. Maybe...

... if there are investigations, he's told not to talk? This promotion is strange... maybe he's cooperating... I don't understand why we're promoting someone who might have participated or was even sympathetic to 1/6.

[Rhiannon12866]

10. That's why a 9/11-type investigation is way overdue

We know so many who participated because there are videos! And those serving in government - or were serving at the time - who aided and abetted those who stormed the Capitol need to be thoroughly investigated, too. I realize that Joe Biden has more on his plate than likely any incoming POTUS in history, but he can delegate. These insurrectionists should have been stopped and charged when they were right there, why they weren't needs to be investigated too.

[Escurumbele]

17. A better investigation than the 9/11 which left too many question unanswered

The 9/11 investigation felt more as an exculpatory exercise in favour of Bush and Cheney than a real fact finding expedition.

[Mike Nelson]

7. Agree...

... and his promotion is startling. There must be more we do not know... if he was directly in charge of helping protect the Capitol, he should have already been fired - not promoted! I've read about various non-responses and I'm not clear about what happened... that's why we need proper investigations. Now, the lies about him being in or not involved in a telephone call... I remember that story... who told the lies and why? Who was this Liar? I hope the Liar (or Liars) is not working in government, now... I have not heard... back to him being promoted. If Charles was even sympathetic - never mind being involved - and has received this promotion, there is a much bigger problem. I'd want to look at who promoted him, and why?

[Rhiannon12866]

9. That's it exactly.

What happened on January 6th was a breach of historic proportions. There needs to be an official and thorough investigation just as there was after 9/11 and Watergate - who was responsible, who participated, who did exactly what, where and when, and that includes those still currently serving in government positions (and those serving at the time!). And, unlike previous investigations, there is an advantage - there are hundreds of videos!

I posted a thread earlier on how amateur sleuths are dedicated to finding and exposing the insurrection participants. Why weren't they stopped and charged when they were right there??! That certainly needs to be investigated, too! Stop the stonewalling, this should have happened 6 months ago!

[Mike Nelson]

11. Yeah...

... they are slowly rounding up people, with videos evidence. We need to know who, perhaps in government, participated without appearing on videos. I suspect a full investigation would reveal connections between the mob and people in US Government. Maybe even Josh, Kevin, Donald, etc...

[Rhiannon12866]

12. Yup, we already have numerous suspects still in government

I'm particularly suspicious of those who said those rioters who stormed the Capitol, damaged property and injured Capitol police could have been mistaken for ordinary tourists!

[diverdownjt]

13. It's a side step reassignment, not a promotion...

He was #2 in the army Deputy chief of staff and now he is assigned to the pacific. Bad news for California and the
west when they decide to go for it...and they will if there are no consequences for the treason of Jan. 6th.

[Mike Nelson]

15. Hmm...

... ah, a reassignment. That's interesting, in a different way... "has been put in charge" misled me to believe it was a promotion. The phrase implies he's now "in charge" of something, elevating the assignment's importance. I hope the Flynn problem is solved soon...

[Escurumbele]

16. By not doing your job when you know you should be doing something makes you an accomplice

He had the power to send the national guard, why didn't he do it? Why did it take five hours for the order.

Why did the military lie? Why has he been moved to another position, and if we are talking about the pacific unit I have to assume it is far from the USA, somewhere in the pacific?

No one that I know is judging him because of his brother, he is being judged for his inaction and the lies that came after he failed to deploy the national guard when he could and should have done it immediately. A five hour wait when the entire World could see the violence in the Capitol is too suspicious for him to be given the benefit of the doubt and no investigation be done to find out why he didn't do what he was supposed to do.

And last, the fact that his big brother is a traitor plotting coups and other stuff does make the suspicion of his lack of action much greater.

[Mike Nelson]

18. Good questions!

... didn't see those specifics in the Maddow segment. Also, considering my other comments... it may be that the reassignment is really a demotion. Maybe they are giving him a "safer" job, while they continue investigations. If there was another attack, he might hold back the National Guard, again.

[Escurumbele]

19. But that is another question, is the military really doing any investigation?

I don't trust the brass in the military, of any military in the World, so I won't hold my breath waiting for any investigation when they already lied to the public.

We have already experienced two traitors in the past 20 years, and both have gotten away with their treason, Petraeus and Flynn, both should have been court martialed, the military can recall Flynn and do it, why won't they? And I could include Collin Powell as well, he knew he was lying to the World about the WMDs that did not exist in Iraq, he chose to play "good soldier" in his loyalty to the Commander-In-Chief, betrayed the country and the World by lying, he alone could have stopped the invasion if he had told the truth, he knew those tubes were not used to make weapons, and he had to know Iraq was cleaned up of weapons during Clinton's tenure as president.

I have said it in the past, the military is very dangerous for the country, every dictatorship/communism manages to get the military on their side, and I can list many examples, South Korea, Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua, etc. etc. Most of the time the military sides with totalitarians, lets face it, the military IS a totalitarian organization, that is what they like and they are not apolitical like everyone thinks they are, they are trained to have allegiance to the commander-in-chief, and the more right extreme that person is their loyalty is greater.

Once again, I don't mean the lower ranks in the military, I am talking about the brass, the generals, the high ranking people. The fact that most people in the military are republicans says a lot.

[RockRaven]

3. The fact he has TWO QAnon nutter brothers is marginally less important than the fact that he

was in any way involved in the National Guard being withheld from a response to the Capitol being attacked. You can't control who you have as siblings, nor what they do. But you can control what YOU do, or do not do.

(If you don't already know, Mike and Charles have a 3rd idiot brother. Also a QAnon loon, just not a general).

[Rhiannon12866]

5. Thanks!

I tried to say that to the previous reply, but you said it much better than I did. There have never been answers and that's why the suspicions persist - well, that and the fact that his brother was instrumental in calling for that very insurrection to begin with, and is still out there promoting dangerous rhetoric. And I did not know that the Flynns had a third - and loony - brother. That's no reason to blame Charles, but given his responsibilities, he should come out and distance himself from his brothers' actions.

[Evolve Dammit]

14. Jeezus. How does an entire family swallow that codswallup? Were they rational once? I just wonder

what chain of events led to all of them going down the conspiracy trail.

[housecat]

20. Biden knows that he is commander in chief, right?