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MSNBC David Frum on Why Trump-Russia Wasn't A Hoax (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Nov 2021 OP
Does Frum tell us why Iraq's WMDs weren't a hoax? Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #1
Very thought provoking from David Frum bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #2
Putin's goal is to destabilize western democracies. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #5
Which is sort of what we did in eastern Europe post-war bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #6
Yep, straight out of the KGB handbook. Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #7
what concerns me is the mind set of those people who welcomed, even LOVED, Trump today. CTyankee Nov 2021 #3
TFG worked for Putin and was one on Putin's best employees/agents LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #4

bucolic_frolic

(43,438 posts)
2. Very thought provoking from David Frum
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:27 AM
Nov 2021

Why did Russia do what it did in 2016? What did they hope to attain? What was the payoff to them? Their economy is small. So what was going on? We still don't know.

bucolic_frolic

(43,438 posts)
6. Which is sort of what we did in eastern Europe post-war
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

We wanted democratic elections with a choice of candidates, private banking and private industry for private investment, equities markets, a labor market with private sector jobs, accountability in Poland in particular. We put considerable resources into those goals. The USSR had very different ideas.

Irish_Dem

(47,665 posts)
7. Yep, straight out of the KGB handbook.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:14 PM
Nov 2021

Nothing has changed in that regard except now Putin is the richest man in the world.
Has massive military and intelligence assets working to bring down Europe and the US.
And is most likely working with China on this operation.

Basically it has been like taking candy from a baby. Easy and not as expensive as all out war.
Putin's operation has been more successful than he himself could have dreamed of.

CTyankee

(63,926 posts)
3. what concerns me is the mind set of those people who welcomed, even LOVED, Trump today.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:39 AM
Nov 2021

It's a dark stain on our national psyche and can erupt again, like a strain of virus that hasn't yet been killed, wiped out, and will hang around until it can come back to life...

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