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Related: About this forumOath Keepers Were Doing What They Thought Trump Wanted
MSNBC's Chris Hayes looks at the charges against the founder of the Oath Keepers and ten others, the events leading up to the Capitol insurrection, and the link between these right-wing extremists and Trump World.
onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)How can we know what Trumps intent really was?
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I always told my kids to use their own minds in making decisions...not to jump off a bridge if someone told them to do so. These insurrectionists are adults and should have been able to act accordingly. It's not as though it was a last minute request. They planned it long before, right?
What is the power Trump has over these clowns? I'll never figure it out.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,027 posts)Like Stone, Ghouliani, the hotel war rooms, the lawyers drafting seditious plans, the organizers of the Jan 6 rally, and more.
Securing hotel rooms that close seems too organized to be last minute or sui generis (all their own idea of what somebody else might want).
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)His connections to politicians predate creating his private, sole proprietorship, Oath Keepers, a scam to get people to send him money for hating Obama and write-off his militia expenses.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, his deputy and three members who guarded Roger Stone exchanged nearly 20 phone calls over three hours on Jan. 6, coinciding with the first assault on police barricades protecting the U.S. Capitol and spanning the time the three members breached the building, prosecutors charged Thursday.
In a new indictment adding previously charged Stone guards Joshua James, 33, of Arab, Ala., and Roberto Minuta, 36, of Prosper, Tex., to an Oath Keepers conspiracy case that now has 12 defendants, prosecutors bluntly laid a path to Rhodes and a person they said he put in charge of his groups operations that day.
Prosecutors identified that individual only as Person 10. Rhodes in interviews has said he tapped a former Army explosives expert and Blackwater contractor nicknamed Whip as on-the-ground team leader. ..........
What kind of person signs up for an antigovernment militia with a government-issued email address? The answer is surprising, revealing and, as one extremism expert puts it, really alarming.
The purported membership of the Oath Keeper membership rolls obtained in a hack and leaked to the transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets include more than 38,000 names. The vast majority of alleged members are enrolled in a way that leaves them somewhat anonymous: Their registrations are associated with a gmail or other private email address.
But a review by Rolling Stone identified nearly 40 memberships linked to public-sector work emails, from domains like nasa.gov, dmv.virginia.gov, and city.pittsburgh.pa.us. Rolling Stone then matched these individuals to public-source information from LinkedIn accounts, government websites, public salary databases, etc. to compile a list of everyday Americans who appear to have been dues paying members of the notorious right-wing organization. ...............
ancianita
(36,130 posts)what they had wanted to do all along, arm up and use some "official" pretext to overthrow the government for a white male supremacist dictatorship.
We'll see if the Jan6SC got evidence that they and Trump coordinated.
"What they thought Pres X wanted" is in their 'rule of men' DNA.
They just wanted to get away with fighting and made themselves into terrorists.
I hope they are imprisoned and defunded into oblivion.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)They set up private corporations, I assume to protect personal assets from civil liability? Anyone have more on this? Also, setting up a fake business is often a tax dodge to write off living the high life.
ancianita
(36,130 posts)Conspiracy to commit sedition is a criminal charge for the eleven.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and
EDIT: I posted the wrong criminal indictment. Sorry! I also wish I could get a re-postable copy image.