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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 12:58 PM Jan 2022

Oath Keepers Were Doing What They Thought Trump Wanted

MSNBC's Chris Hayes looks at the charges against the founder of the Oath Keepers and ten others, the events leading up to the Capitol insurrection, and the link between these right-wing extremists and Trump World.

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Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. They may have been following his desires, but that doesn't make them less guilty.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:05 PM
Jan 2022

I always told my kids to use their own minds in making decisions...not to jump off a bridge if someone told them to do so. These insurrectionists are adults and should have been able to act accordingly. It's not as though it was a last minute request. They planned it long before, right?

What is the power Trump has over these clowns? I'll never figure it out.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
3. "what they thought he wanted" is weak. I think there was more overt direction through intermediaries
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jan 2022

Like Stone, Ghouliani, the hotel war rooms, the lawyers drafting seditious plans, the organizers of the Jan 6 rally, and more.

Securing hotel rooms that close seems too organized to be last minute or sui generis (all their own idea of what somebody else might want).

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
5. Stewart Rhodes worked for Ron Paul. How many people in Congress does he know?
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:57 PM
Jan 2022

His connections to politicians predate creating his private, sole proprietorship, Oath Keepers, a scam to get people to send him money for hating Obama and write-off his militia expenses.

April 1, 2021 at 10:28 p.m. EDT

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, his deputy and three members who guarded Roger Stone exchanged nearly 20 phone calls over three hours on Jan. 6, coinciding with the first assault on police barricades protecting the U.S. Capitol and spanning the time the three members breached the building, prosecutors charged Thursday.

In a new indictment adding previously charged Stone guards Joshua James, 33, of Arab, Ala., and Roberto Minuta, 36, of Prosper, Tex., to an Oath Keepers conspiracy case that now has 12 defendants, prosecutors bluntly laid a path to Rhodes and a person they said he put in charge of his group’s operations that day.

Prosecutors identified that individual only as “Person 10.” Rhodes in interviews has said he tapped a former Army explosives expert and Blackwater contractor nicknamed “Whip” as on-the-ground team leader. ..........


[bThey Joined an Anti-Government Militia — With Their Government Emails ]

What kind of person signs up for an antigovernment militia with a government-issued email address? The answer is surprising, revealing — and, as one extremism expert puts it, “really alarming.”

The purported membership of the Oath Keeper membership rolls — obtained in a hack and leaked to the transparency group Distributed Denial of Secrets — include more than 38,000 names. The vast majority of alleged members are enrolled in a way that leaves them somewhat anonymous: Their registrations are associated with a gmail or other private email address.

But a review by Rolling Stone identified nearly 40 memberships linked to public-sector work emails, from domains like nasa.gov, dmv.virginia.gov, and city.pittsburgh.pa.us. Rolling Stone then matched these individuals to public-source information — from LinkedIn accounts, government websites, public salary databases, etc. — to compile a list of everyday Americans who appear to have been dues paying members of the notorious right-wing organization. ...............

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
4. Chris reports their official story. I don't think he even believes that line. They mostly did
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 01:31 PM
Jan 2022

what they had wanted to do all along, arm up and use some "official" pretext to overthrow the government for a white male supremacist dictatorship.
We'll see if the Jan6SC got evidence that they and Trump coordinated.

"What they thought Pres X wanted" is in their 'rule of men' DNA.
They just wanted to get away with fighting and made themselves into terrorists.
I hope they are imprisoned and defunded into oblivion.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. Save The Steal LLC
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jan 2022

They set up private corporations, I assume to protect personal assets from civil liability? Anyone have more on this? Also, setting up a fake business is often a tax dodge to write off living the high life.

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
7. Not surprising, but what penalties the government exacts won't save their assets from forfeiture.
Sun Jan 16, 2022, 02:22 PM
Jan 2022

Conspiracy to commit sedition is a criminal charge for the eleven.


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and







EDIT: I posted the wrong criminal indictment. Sorry! I also wish I could get a re-postable copy image.

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