General Zinni: No-Fly Zone Could 'Easily Escalate' Russian Conflict - All In - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

Retired U.S. Marine Core General Anthony Zinni: “If a decision is made to install a no-fly zone—whether it’s NATO or the United States or both—they have to understand this could escalate into much more serious engagement with the Russians and eventually lead to war with the Russians.” Aired on 03/08/2022.

[EarlG]

1. "If a decision is made to install a no-fly zone..."

They already made the decision not to install a no-fly zone.

“… they have to understand this could escalate into much more serious engagement with the Russians…”

Yes, they already understand this, that’s why there’s not going to be a no-fly zone.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Thanks, EarlG.

To deescalate this "conflict" has to be one of the chief goals. But Putin's actions, especially towards civilians, is sure making it tough.

[EarlG]

3. Yes all efforts must be made towards deescalation

I feel like “no-fly zone” is being thrown around like it’s a magic bullet that would suddenly stop the fighting, when in fact it would only escalate things. A no-fly zone would not to stop the shelling of Ukrainian civilians — and the Russians don’t seem to have air superiority anyway, so I’m not even sure what the point would be. The Ukrainians already seem to be doing a pretty good job of shooting down Russian jets and helicopters.

I think a lot of people are using “no-fly zone” as a stand-in for “just do something.” I get that — it’s sickening to watch what’s being done over there — but I don’t think it would turn out the way people hope it would.

[Rhiannon12866]

4. I think it's desperation, since nothing has turned out the way anyone thought it would

Putin likely thought he'd just move in and take over, as Russians have done in the past. But no one counted on the the strength and resolve of the Ukrainian people - and the Western countries are doing the right thing, supporting them any way they can, but it is a delicate line - going too far could result in all out war with the countries supplying aid, too. Once he started this, Putin is not going to back down.

One big factor to be grateful for is that we currently have the most experienced POTUS in history in Biden, he was chosen as VP for his foreign policy experience and he already spent 8 years in the Executive Branch - and he knows and has chosen the best most experienced people, as well. Not to mention, he has the respect and support of our allies. If this had happened any earlier, I cringe to imagine the outcome.

That's my take, anyway... I visited the USSR in the late '80s with my grandmother and the peace group she was part of. There was such hope back then when Gorbachev instituted more progressive policies - and the people we met were very wary of Reagan of his tough stance with Gorbachev which made things tougher for them. So I feel for the Russian people, as well, since Putin has gone back to the abuses of the past and seems determined to recreate the USSR.