New Details On Why Pence Refused To Get In Secret Service Car On Jan. 6 - All In - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

After the mob breached the building on Jan. 6, the Secret Service hustled Mike Pence out. They wanted to take him away from the Capitol, but he refused to go. Why didn’t he want to go? Aired on 04/25/2022.




Pence Said ‘Six Of The Most Chilling Words’ In U.S. History On Jan. 6 Says Raskin - All In - MSNBC

Rep. Jamie Raskin on Pence refusing to leave the Capitol on Jan. 6: “When I heard that he said, ‘I’m not getting in that car,’ that was utterly chilling to me. Those are six of the most chilling words in American history to me.” Aired on 04/25/2022.

[Wild blueberry]

1. Chilling indeed

Thank you.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. I just added the Jamie Raskin interview which was part of this report

And I couldn't agree more!

[exboyfil]

2. They need to question Grassley

I think he was on board or was at least approached about not certifying the election in the absence of Pence.

Remember at first Pence was not supposed to oversee the count, but that story was later retracted.

I hope Grassley is hammered on this point on the election trail.

[NJCher]

4. this is a must see

Chris Hayes did a compelling presentation on this tonight.

I think one of the most important points was how Pence knew not to leave the Capitol and also about the buses. Very creepy, those buses.

And let's not forget: Nancy knew, too. She insisted on staying, no matter what, and certifying the election.

[Rhiannon12866]

6. I completely agree, along with his interview of Raskin, this was the most important of the night

And absolutely chilling.

I also remember hearing (on Colbert) that Pence has prevented the official photos of that day from being released. And I've wondered, since we know the photos are in public domain, how he can do that.

[NJCher]

7. how about the photos that weren't taken!

That point had me reeling: One reason Pence would not leave in his limo is that he did not want foreign governments to see the v-p and entourage leaving the Capitol. Think of the image that would create around the world and in the financial markets.

That actually was impressive on Pence's part. It shows he can think outside his own selfish interests, which is almost nonexistent with republicans.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. Well, we did hear that there were photos of Pence in the "secret location" where he was taken

From which, according to what we heard on Colbert, he could actually see the gallows built for him! "yowser:

And I agree that it's impressive and admirable that Pence did the right thing on that day - it can't have been easy for him after four long years of going along with whatever ridiculous nonsense he was told. I actually can't remember previously hearing from him at all - even during the VP debate, he only quoted TFG.

[dchill]

13. Wonder if the "secret location" was chosen for the "view."

[Rhiannon12866]

14. Well, it was the Capitol Police who took Pence to safety, so I don't think they had another agenda

And, as we know, they were in great danger, too.

[Blue Owl]

5. Chuck's ass better be grass

And the lawn mower of justice is coming….

[Evolve Dammit]

9. Subpoena Pence and Grassley

[Tacan]

10. Subpoenas will do no good.

The "Justice Department" will not enforce them. They are above the law.

[FoxNewsSucks]

12. I thought they were working on it,

and we just "need to be patient"

[dchill]

16. Prepare to get Muellered.

[Sogo]

11. New details, indeed....

Not only the reason for Pence refusing to leave, but:

Who ordered those buses to take the Congress people away from the Capitol?

You don't just order up a bunch of buses and have them show up all of a sudden....

Someone knew they would be needed, or wanted them to be used. Removing Pence and the Congress was another element of a "successful" coup.

Who ordered those buses????

[dchill]

15. I really hope someone has figured that one out!

Seems somehow salient.

[C Moon]

17. Yes. Good point. Scary!

[Rhiannon12866]

19. Excellent point! I certainly hope that the 1/6 Committee gets to the bottom of this as well

The more we learn, the more frightening it gets - and we need to know exactly who was responsible.

[TeamProg]

18. Wow..

[Rhiannon12866]

20. I'm watching the repeat of this report again now and this is my reaction, too

There is a whole lot more that we have to learn, but we sure came closer than we ever knew that day - if not for a few courageous souls who knew what the real dangers were. "I'm not getting in that car..."

[scipan]

21. Wow. Thank you, Reuben Gallego.

If either one of those things had happened, Pence leaving or Congress leaving on those busses, the coup would have been successful imo.

Also, someone posted that the noose could be seen from Pence's window. That is either a big coincidence or the rioters were told where to set it up.

[Rhiannon12866]

23. Agreed, Rep. Gallego was a hero on 1/6, he understood the dangers if Congress or Pence left that day

And Pence was certainly sent a message which caused him to understand the rioters intentions.

[scipan]

24. Thanks for the thread! Can't wait until the hearings start.

[markpkessinger]

22. Doesn't this also raise questions about the complicity of the Secret Service? n/t