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The Justice Department is ramping up its investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Federal prosecutors have issued multiple subpoenas looking to obtain information to understand if Trump allies proposed alternate slates of electors as part of an effort to deny Joe Bidens victory in several key swing states. New York Times congressional correspondent Luke Broadwater joins "Red and Blue" with details. Aired on 05/26/2022.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)That schemed to replace the duly elected President and Vice-President with an usurper who would have turned this country into a dictatorship.
c-rational
(2,594 posts)Chainfire
(17,549 posts)They will continue to try to make hay out of the Bubbas that they are handing out light sentences to, but no charges will be coming forward for the key players. This is all a sham. It is only surprising that so many people just don't get it.
People who have faith in our justice system today, just as well lend equal credence to the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)If not, enough with the doom and gloom.
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)I am guided not by magic, but by evidence. So far, the facts show that there are no indictments of key players. Do you have evidence to the contrary? The evidence is clear and overwhelming that Trump and his criminal gang attempted to overthrow the election and the country, yet he is still campaigning for President. Wake up, smell the flowers.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)And completed law school so know exactly what evidence is needed to file criminal charges that can be proved in a court of law. Got it.
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)still running for president and require a law degree to see that. As far at it goes, I don't think that it matters what the J6 committee presents to the county. Enjoy the circus, just remember it is entertainment, not justice.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)You have no idea what the actual criminal charges are or what evidence is needed to prove them. It took years to bring Nixon and his gang to justice Heres a refresher.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/complete-watergate-timeline-took-longer-realize
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)If you know what charges are imminent, please share them with us. You must be well placed.
My argument is one of fact to date; no charges. To sum up my position and then I will go away: I contend that Donald Trump, openly directed the attempted overthrow of the government on live TV. His words and the subsequent actions of the crowds is enough to prove a case of sedition if not treason. Go, and fight like Hell to save the country.... I say that over a year later that he is still out campaigning for President.
It is speculated by some that he will be brought to justice and I say that the events that we have seen dispute that theory. J6 and Justice can investigate this whole case to death with going after detail after detail until they run out the political clock. That is what is happening today. Delay until after Republicans return to legislative power and they will make it all go away, for the purpose of healing, for the good of the country. The coming live hearings will entertain us through the summer, but it will just be more circus, keeping us happy as the clock ticks. Come election time, with continuing inflation and gasoline prices through the roof, we will lose the Congress and the fat lady will have sung.
Time will tell, won't it?
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)Trump charged with? Whats the statute number?
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
U.S. Code
Notes
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
A first year law student should be able to prosecute that with evidence that is available on film. Additional charges could be brought as the "investigation" unfolds.
It really all amounts to nothing anyway. IF charges were brought against Trump, and IF a jury convicted him of a felony, the appeals would end up in front of the Supreme Court where everything would just go away. That is why it is all just entertainment.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)Although you seem to think it is. I guess youre smarter than all those lawyer folks.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)How about FRAUDULENT!
SMDH
Botany
(70,516 posts)Most of the 1/6/21 mob were there to cause a diversion but the more organized people
such as proud boys, oath keepers, and retired and active military/law enforcement were
tasked to get to the Congressional Parliamentarian office and steal the electoral ballots
after which "they" would try to introduce the pro-Trump alternate ballots that Rudy and
company made now they knew those ballots would be proven to be false but it would give
"them" time to try to throw it back to the states with republicans controlling their state
houses.
This was a republican run coup to overturn the election.
Chainfire
(17,549 posts)of an audience of millions.
Botany
(70,516 posts)... News Max, nutball web sites such as info wars, facebook Russian Trolls, and Christian Evangelicals
were ready and in place to support the coup to install Trump as a dictator too.