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New York Times columnist Charles Blow joins MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell to discuss his argument that Donald Trump represents an inflection point for the GOP allowing, Blow says, Republicans to "run headlong" into "their bigotries, intolerances and oppression." - Aired on 08/18/2022.
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Charles Blow: 'Republicans Are America's Problem' - The Last Word - MSNBC (Original Post)
Rhiannon12866
Aug 2022
OP
Yup. We gotta stop dancing around the problem. About 40% of the country opposes democracy.
SunSeeker
Aug 2022
#2
Agreed. And journalist Greg Palast contends that John Kerry actually won in 2004, too:
Rhiannon12866
Aug 2022
#4
NJCher
(35,687 posts)1. I was hoping this would be a
Regular, weekly column.
He certainly would have no trouble finding material for it.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)2. Yup. We gotta stop dancing around the problem. About 40% of the country opposes democracy.
Republicans are indeed the problem, particularly since 1965.
bmichaelh
(382 posts)3. Electoral College is part of the problem
Republicans may not win the popular vote for president for some time.
Trump has lost the popular vote twice.
No Republican has won it since the popular vote since Bush in 2004.
And there were some issues with limited voting machines in the state of Ohio in 2004.
Republicans do not care about the popular vote.
They care about Electoral College.
Rhiannon12866
(205,509 posts)4. Agreed. And journalist Greg Palast contends that John Kerry actually won in 2004, too:
Kerry Won: Here are The Facts
by Greg Palast - November 4, 2004
know you dont want to hear it. You cant face one more hung chad. But I dont have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, its my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.
Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNNs exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with and therefore contaminated by the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohios male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.
So whats going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, Who did you vote for? Unfortunately, they dont ask the crucial, question, Was your vote counted? The voters dont know.
Heres why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See, An Election Spoiled Rotten, November 1.]
Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, Im sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.
The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called spoilage. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, dont you believe it it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.
More: https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-rnheres-the-facts/
by Greg Palast - November 4, 2004
know you dont want to hear it. You cant face one more hung chad. But I dont have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, its my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.
Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNNs exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with and therefore contaminated by the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohios male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.
So whats going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, Who did you vote for? Unfortunately, they dont ask the crucial, question, Was your vote counted? The voters dont know.
Heres why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded. This was predictable and it was predicted. [See, An Election Spoiled Rotten, November 1.]
Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, Im sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.
The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called spoilage. Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, dont you believe it it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.
More: https://www.gregpalast.com/kerry-won-rnheres-the-facts/
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)5. K&R