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Maxwell Frost is now the Democratic nominee for Florida's tenth congressional district, and he very well could be the first Gen Z member of Congress. On the surface, he may not fit the typical mold of a politician. Hes 25-years-old, a part-time Uber driver, has not finished college, and has never held public office. But, Frost does not think any of that will hold him back. Maxwell Frost joins Joy Reid on his groundbreaking nomination. - Aired on 08/25/2022.
viva la
(3,322 posts)The baby boom generation had a clear starting point-- when all the men came home in 1945 and immediately set to procreating.
It is generally understood to span 19-20 years-- until 1964, after JFK's assassination and the Beatles' arrival.
Then Gen X started in 1965 and again spanned about 19-20 years, until 1984.
Millennials then-- 1985 until... well, if we went with the usual 19-20 years, 2004.
If young Mr. Frost is 25, he is a young millennial, born in the 90s! 1997. The whole point of the title "millennial" is, of course, that they came of age in the new millennium.
By the standard 19-20 years of a generation, the oldest GenZers are just now approaching their senior year in high school.
Even if we'd grant that GenZ starts WITH the new millennium (2000), then the oldest would just be graduating from college.
I know-- these generational cohorts are really just contrivances. But ... I don't think it makes much sense if we've gotten down to generations lasting only 15 years, as they are supposed to reflect more or less how long it takes a baby to grow up to be old enough to start an adult life.
Rant over.
Congratulations, Maxwell Frost. You will be a breath of fresh air for the old cranky Congress.
Rhiannon12866
(206,247 posts)And not all of us fit neatly into the generations we're assigned. I'm considered a "baby boomer," but my Dad was not nearly old enough to serve in the war and I was a total failure when I played "Baby Boomer Trivial Pursuit." Who was Howdy Doody?? And my younger cousin is considered one as well, she was born in the very last year - and remembers even less that I do. And the more recent the years, the more quickly changes happen, IMO.
Celerity
(43,582 posts)Generation Jones: 1954 - 1965 (that is the broadest, some set it at 1957/58 to 1964, which I agree with more)
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Generation Jones is the social cohort of the latter half of the Baby boomer generation to the first year of Generation X. The term Generation Jones was first coined by the American cultural commentator Jonathan Pontell, who identified the cohort as those born from 1954 to 1965 in the U.S., who were children during Watergate, the oil crisis, and stagflation rather than during the 1950s, but slightly before Gen X.
Unlike "leading-edge boomers", most of Generation Jones did not grow up with World War II veterans as fathers, and, as they reached adulthood, there was no compulsory military service and no defining political cause, as opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War was for the older boomers. Their parents' generation was sandwiched between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers. Also, by 1955, a majority of U.S. households had at least one television set, and so unlike Leading-Edge Boomers born from the mid 1940s to the early 1950s, many members of Generation Jones (trailing-edge boomers) have never lived in a world without televisionsimilar to how many members of Generation Z (19972012) have never lived in a world without personal computers or the internet, or mobile phones. Generation Jones were children during the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s and were young adults when HIV/AIDS became a worldwide threat in the 1980s.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving. Pontell suggests that Jonesers inherited an optimistic outlook as children in the 1960s, but were then confronted with a different reality as they entered the workforce during Reaganomics and the shift from a manufacturing to a service economy, which ushered in a long period of mass unemployment. Mortgage interest rates increased to above 12 percent in the mid-eighties, making it virtually impossible to buy a house on a single income. De-industrialization arrived in full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s; wages would be stagnant for decades, and 401Ks replaced pensions, leaving them with a certain abiding "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
Generation Jones is noted for coming of age after a huge swath of their older brothers and sisters in the earlier portion of the Baby Boomer population had; thus, many note that there was a paucity of resources and privileges available to them that were seemingly abundant to older Boomers. Therefore, there is a certain level of bitterness and "jonesing" for the level of doting and affluence granted to older Boomers but denied to them. The term has enjoyed some currency in political and cultural commentary, including during the 2008 United States presidential election, where Barack Obama (born 1961) and Sarah Palin (born 1964) were on the presidential tickets.
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It's time to set the record straight. While Baby Boomers are often spoken of as one large cohort, there are indeed two different types of Boomers.
https://www.generations.com/insights/early-boomers-generation-jones-meet-the-two-boomer-subgroups
Whenever we're out giving presentations, it's inevitable that some Boomers approach us with the complaint, "I'm not like those earlier Boomers" or "I think the later Boomers had a different outlook than we did." They follow up with comments like, I remember not having enough books in my classroom, but I was not old enough to be a hippie. And they bring up a really good point. Though the Baby Boomer generation is often heralded as the group that collectively changed the US political and cultural landscape, not all Baby Boomers are the same.
The Boomer cohort is typically referred to as one group, born within the 19-year time span of 19461964. During the Boomer birth year, a baby was born every eight seconds. Clearly, the title baby boom was certainly appropriate for this big generation of 80 million. By 1964, Boomers comprised 40% of the US population. Looking at them as a whole, this generation has been incredibly influential and inspirational, creating waves of change from an early age. While we often refer to this generation as one cohort due to the significant change they effected, there is a distinct separation between two groups. When you look closer, there are some important differences between the earlier Boomers and those born later on in that 20-year time frame. Exploring the differences between the two subgroups helps paint a clearer picture of a generation that is as complex as it is large. With dramatic changes in the political, global, and social landscapes, the Baby Boomers can be divided into Early Boomers (teens in the '60s) and Generation Jones (teens in the '70s).
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Generation Jones: teens of the '70s
Born 19551964
While Early Boomers had major icons to look up to, Generation Jones was too young to remember these icons in their zenith. These Gen Jonesers were too young for Woodstock, the I have a Dream speech, and the assassination of the first Catholic president. The youth-driven counter-culture movement had accomplished many of its goals, and those kids that had been fighting for change were fighting for career growth by the 1970s. Instead of the idealistic and optimistic outlook of the Early Boomers, this generation was experiencing the backlash of an economy that was falling dramatically. This economic hardship and slipping post-war optimism defined the atmosphere that Gen Jonesers experienced as they were coming into their formative years.
Life at home was more different for Gen Jones than the more traditional setting that Early Boomers experienced. More homes were being forced into having two working parents due to changes in the economy and job availability. When Gen Jones went to school, there were not enough desks or books in the classroom because the school system wasnt ready for this large cohort. They werent ready to put their kids in the same situation, so families were beginning to shrink in size. The pill became available so birth control and family planning were easier than in the past. With the competitive job market and economic stresses, divorce was on the rise as Gen Jones entered their formative years, causing teens to spend more time working independently and caring for themselves. While this wasnt the generation of latch-key kids, Generation Jones was on the trailing edge of Generation X, which saw a dramatic spike in divorce rate and latch-key kids.
While the economy took a nose-dive, fuel prices spiked, the oil embargo impacted the nation, and job opportunities shrunk. Gen Jones had to become more independent and learn to fight for their future, because they quickly understood that nothing would be handed to them. With the tight job market, they knew they had to put their head down and work hard, dress for the jobs they wanted not the jobs they had, and develop methods of standing out. This was important for career growth, but at the time the main focus was on simply keeping their jobs. This period of fierce competition for job stability has stayed with the Gen Jonesers, who earned their names because they were constantly striving to keep up with the jones or jonesin for something more.
KEY EVENTS + CONDITIONS
Watergate, Stagflation, Oil Embargo, Iran Hostage Crisis, Deindustrialization
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A specific "micro-generation" of people wedged between baby boomers and Gen X.
https://www.hellalife.com/blog/people/generation-jones-group-boomers-gen-x/
If you havent heard of Generation Jones, youre not alone for years, the generation was lumped in with boomers until author Jonathan Pontell coined the term in 1999. The moniker was helped to popularity in the late aughts to denote a young breed of new leaders, those who often felt overshadowed and overlooked in the wake of the larger boomer generation. While there isnt a formal age range for this phantom generation, it encompasses the youngest of the boomers (people born from 1946 to 1964) and the oldest members of Generation X (born from 1965 to 1979). President Obama (born 1961) is a prime example of the Jones bunch. But how has this group fared since the term first found favor? We spoke with Pontell himself to find out more about how Generation Jones is faring as it approaches retirement.
So why have you dedicated a good amount of your time to researching Gen Jones? What was missing from the narrative of this generation?
Some years ago, it occurred to me that I was part of a lost generation between the boomers and Generation X. I was actually living abroad at the time, and it was sort of obvious that Im not a boomer and once I started hearing various details about what Xers stereotypically were supposed to be about it, I realized thats not me, either. Then I came back to The States and spent a lot of time researching who this generation is, came up with a name for it, and put it out there. I think its important because while labels certainly have limitations and are often misused they also have some value in helping us make sense of ourselves.
As part of your research, I understand you hired pollsters to study generational attitudes within this group. What were the results?
Over 80% of people in this age group, roughly born between the 1950s and 1960s, just overwhelmingly felt that theyd been mislabeled. When they hear [about an alternative], theres this sort of Aha! moment. They say, Oh wait, yeah, I never really did think I was a boomer. I didnt think I was an Xer. And it matters in terms of politics and culture and business.
Fundamentally, what are some characteristics of Jonesers that make you different from boomers and Gen X?
Part of it has to do with our upbringing, particularly in the 60s and 70s; of course every generation is defined in part by its formative years. In terms of collective, ongoing generational personalities formed at a young age, boomers and Jonesers are very different. Boomers tend to be relatively idealistic throughout their life cycle. They were raised at a time in the 50s as children and then as teens in the 60s, which sort of formed a very idealistic, optimistic personality trait. Jonesers are children of the 1960s. It formed in us an enormous amount of idealism but at the same time, we came of age during the worsening economy of the 70s. The accompanying disillusionment and cynicism and alienation that was very much a part of our natural culture at the end of the 70s.
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Celerity
(43,582 posts)These are the widely accepted Gen birth years:
Boomers: 1946 -1964
Gen X: 1965 - 1980
Millennials: 1981 - 1996
Gen Z: 1997 - 2012
Gen Alpha: 2013 - ? (If they keep the 16 year length of the last 3, then 2028 will be the last birth year)
Gen Beta: Perhaps 2029 - 2044
Also, there are the micro/cusp Gens:
Generation Jones: 1954 - 1965 (that is the broadest, some set it at 1957/58 to 1964, which I agree with more)
Xennials aka Carter Babies: 1977 - 1980 (sometimes called the Oregon Trail Gen, and also sometimes with an expanded 1976 - 1981/82 even 1983 boundary)
Zillennials or (less commonly) Zennials: 1992/93 - 1998 (my micro gen, I am late 1996 born, I missed being a Gen Zer by less than 2 and a half months) sometimes expanded to 1990/91 to 1999/2000.
I go with 1991 to 1998, as the Gen Z traits come storming in fast due to tech/Internet, so after the after 1998 born people really are inundated with Gen Z influences and a Gen Z zeitgeist far more than a Millennial one. I use 9/11 as defining element for the definition of a Zillennial: you were old enough to remember it, even very vaguely (so 3yo at the youngest, born in 1998 at the latest) and also still single digits in age (so later 1991 born and younger).
Zillennial voters in the last 2 elections were the most heavily Democratic, even higher rates than pure 1997 and later born Gen Z. Hopefully the younger Gen Z voters passes even us Zillennials up soon in terms of Dem support percentage.
The older half or so of Gen X is showing, on the other hand, a troubling trend of swinging RW to a somewhat significant degree. I so so hope tgat shit stops and reverses. I have my doubts, unfortunately.
viva la
(3,322 posts)This just loses any sense of a generation ending at adulthood.
I mean, sure, whatever, all talk of generations is contrived anyway. But it's hard to explain how a generation is 18 years for awhile and then 15 years.
Never mind. I am just a crabby boomer.
Celerity
(43,582 posts)I also think those micro Gens I listed have very solid reasons behind them.
I also can agree with your stance on the somewhat arbitrary nature of the boundaries for the main Gens.
As a last year of the Gen Millennial, born in late 1996, I have had a pretty different childhood and then teen years, compared to a 1981/2 born person, and that is besides the large differences due to me growing up in London. This conversation is deffo about American cohorts first and foremost, of course.
viva la
(3,322 posts)Older boomers had a really different experience than younger boomers (born after 1953). The men were subject to the draft for years, and that were the years of massive militarization-- hundreds of thousands deployed in Vietnam for 4 years. So their late adolescence was one of dread. The silver lining was that the patriarchy and segregation were still strong so the ones who wanted to get into college or union jobs had an easy entry. Women and nonwhites were still discriminated against -- completely legal discrimination. But for younger boomers, there was a lot more competition but also fewer legal restrictions. Women and blacks could go to most state universities after 1972.
One thing I'm noticing as I approach retirement-- older boomers were the last ones who could expect good defined-benefit pensions. Not all got them, of course, but I have several older friends who retired in their late 50s with full pensions that were 75% of their salary. I marvel at that.
GreatShakes66
(79 posts)...of things to come.
Deuxcents
(16,353 posts)Im not happy about that phrase but .. young people need representation, too. Hes been active in organizing w/ March for our Lives n I hope he wins.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)How refreshing to see yet another Dem rising star!!!
One fueled by a passion to make things better!
And one who had to earn his way!