Putin Has Put Himself In A Terrible Box In Ukraine, Says Retired General - Morning Joe - MSNBC

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Ukraine's armed forces have recaptured large swaths of territory and are making "significant gains" against Russia's occupation of the northwest region of Kharkiv, the British defense ministry said in an intelligence briefing Sunday. Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Anne Applebaum discuss. - Aired on 09/12/2022.

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1. Putin is, as they say, fucked. Gambled and failed in Ukraine.

Country knows, he transferred their future into his bank account. He's a dead man walking....

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2. Agreed, he made the error of a lifetime, misunderestimated the determination of a now-free people!

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4. Putin also 'misunderestimated the determination' of the free world.

Russian tanks rolling into a democracy was always going to trigger NATO counties , which had been war-gaming a Soviet invasion of Western Europe from the get go.

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5. You are absolutely right!

Ex-KGB Putin was attempting to resurrect the USSR and Ukraine would have been only the first of the former Soviet satellites he had his eye on...

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9. And, as you said, Putin's gambit was 'the error of a lifetime'.

Even Russia's best case scenario, taking Kyiv in week, would have been a disaster. There is no way an army of 150K could have held onto a country the size of Ukraine with as many as 10 million people staying on to fight. Maybe Putin really believed his mystical shit about Russians and Ukrainians being one people. But what he should have known from WWII is how slavs react when the homeland is invaded.

And - what Putin should have known, even in his best case scenario, is how NATO would react, with Biden in the White House.

Madness. Utter madness.

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10. If he'd been planning this for awhile, that could be the reason he cultivated TFG

Who is absolutely susceptible to flattery. But since we now have a responsible president, who has repaired our relationships throughout the world, he should have known better.

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11. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!

Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn were part of Trumpworld from the very beginning. Putin has been planning to finish off Ukraine since 2014.

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12. And which country would be next??

I visited what was then Soviet Georgia and the hate towards Russia was obvious. There were numerous statues of Stalin, which confused me since I thought he was "out of favor," so I asked - and I was told that Stalin was Georgian, not Russian - and "he killed so many Russians."

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13. Georgia & Moldova I guess.

Non NATO.

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14. Georgia is actually more Middle Eastern than Russian - different customs and language

And they would take a page from Ukraine's book and fight in exactly the same way rather than go back to being forced to submit to Russian domination.

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15. Georgia's entry in the 2009 Eurovision Song Contest

We Don't Wanna Put-In

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16. Now that looks more "modern" than classic Middle Eastern

It's an unusual world, modern buildings right next to structures that are centuries old...

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3. Once Putin is gone, reparations through the World Court should be sought.

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7. No question, Yes.

As well as war crimes prosecutions.

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6. So Important at this critical juncture

is to keep the orcs on the run. Maintain the pressure on as many fronts as possible as they retreat. Let them run, run, run all the way home. I hope Ukraine has this ability.

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8. They deserve the help and support of the western world to achieve victory, it's that essential

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17. A desperate despot is still dangerous.

Putin's options may only be win or die.

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18. Very encouraging. One can only hope the Russian forces in Kherson are as demoralized as those in

and around Kharkiv.