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WI Deputy shot and killed when directing driver to do sobriety test, driver then kills himself (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 OP
Again, shoulda gone directly to step 2. ret5hd May 2023 #1
Damn 3auld6phart May 2023 #3
Republicans are helping out BOSSHOG May 2023 #2
I think it's time maybe certain folks need their guns away. Crowman2009 May 2023 #4
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho May 2023 #5
I get fined if I don't regularly check my car emissions. It's time to "inconvenience" the gun nuts. MagaSmash May 2023 #7
If there is some way to get rid of guns, fine...but meanwhile... Sancho May 2023 #8
Standard Occurance when you add guns to the mix. MagaSmash May 2023 #6

3auld6phart

(1,061 posts)
3. Damn
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:29 PM
May 2023

Let us hope that this does not become a copy cat thing. There are enough crazies that just
might copy this Why the fuck these depressed suicidal types just do themselves and leave others
alone. Damn that is sad. Nope her family can handle this.It is such a waste.

BOSSHOG

(37,174 posts)
2. Republicans are helping out
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:05 PM
May 2023

They swear no party member is ever responsible for anything bad that happens in America. And they (routinely) offer their never ending supply of thoughts and prayers. In fact Ted Cruz just ordered a double batch of thoughts and prayers for the busy summer season, while accepting another cash donation from gosh knows who.

Crowman2009

(2,507 posts)
4. I think it's time maybe certain folks need their guns away.
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:59 PM
May 2023

Plus if you know they are going to take your guns away, why buy more of them? Sounds like some sort of mental gymnastics made up by the gun lobby.

Sancho

(9,072 posts)
5. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun May 7, 2023, 11:01 PM
May 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

MagaSmash

(5,607 posts)
7. I get fined if I don't regularly check my car emissions. It's time to "inconvenience" the gun nuts.
Mon May 8, 2023, 09:56 AM
May 2023

Sancho

(9,072 posts)
8. If there is some way to get rid of guns, fine...but meanwhile...
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:01 PM
May 2023

...there should be a serious process to prevent dangerous people from getting guns. I'm sure every automobile is not a polluter, but regulations about inspecting cars and having a driver's license certainly prevent some problems.

Dangerous people should not be able to possess guns without a license that makes sense. Everyone can argue about the details in the license like age, training, etc., but in the long run there needs to be barrier.

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