Trump Didn't Act Alone - Deadly Crimes, Treason & More! - Thom Hartmann

[Rhiannon12866]

As Trump faces the music for a small slice of his crimes against our nation & our democracy, let’s not forget that he’s not the first. He was carrying on a GOP tradition stretching back to 1968… - 06/08/2023.

[TwilightZone]

1. It's not treason. Treason is very narrowly defined.

It requires an enemy against whom we have officially declared war. Doesn't apply here. That doesn't seem to stop people from continuing to insist otherwise.

Sedition is more applicable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/americans-have-forgotten-what-treason-actually-means-how-it-can-ncna848651

[Rhiannon12866]

2. I agree. Treason is used when we are at war.

However, what Thom explains is there is precedent for previous Republican presidents flagrantly disrupting the election process which certainly changed our history.

[RussBLib]

3. Thanks....

....for making my blood boil all over again. After all this time and everything we now know, we should be able to DO something, to SAY something, to pass some kind of law, to try to "make right" what has been wrongs. SOMEthing beyond just sweeping it all down the memory holes. Brighter minds than mine should be able to come up with something beyond just putting it in a history book.

[Rhiannon12866]

4. One issue is that we didn't learn about Nixon's election interference for 50 years

I've read more about this and continuing of the war for another seven years resulted in thousands of more deaths on both sides. This is the reason that we can never allow this secret interference to ever happen again - though what Reagan did was obvious and unforgivable.

[Joinfortmill]

5. Fuck the Grand Old Party.

[soldierant]

6. The Johnson-Dirksen phone call

was included in Ken Burns's Viet Name documentary - that was the first I heard of it. I've known about the Reagan hostages and Iran-Contra somewhat longer. And then there was the 2000 election which Al Gore one and was too goo a person to fight for it. I'm thinking the last legitimately elected Republican President was Eisenhower.

And, yeah, technically it may not have been treason. But I would still call it treachery.

[Rhiannon12866]

9. The bargain that Reagan struck regarding the hostages in Iran did was well known

Not to mention that he began his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where those three civil rights workers were murdered by the Klan in 1964 - which signaled to southern voters that he supported "states' rights.' Causing the former governor of Georgia to lose the South.

[live love laugh]

7. Carter, LBJ, Gore, Hillary: all swindled out of their rightful wins

[Rhiannon12866]

8. All true - and Greg Palast contends that John Kerry was, too. Election interference in Ohio.