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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:35 AM Dec 2012

Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!!

Last edited Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:28 AM - Edit history (2)


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This video, which illustrates just how effectively the 1% dropped this country to its knees has obviously struck a raw nerve with the folks at FoxNews. They are attempting to do some pre-emptive strikes because they know it will be watched and understood by the typical FoxNews viewer. Hannity was about to jump out of his skin over it, pulling segments of it to attack. But he is only going to bring more attention to it and more FoxNews viewers are going to watch it and understand just exactly how the 1% took control of the country's wealth.... including how buying up media outlets and news organizations in order to spread the message of the obscenely-wealthy has contributed to it all. (cough... FoxNews.. cough)

No wonder they are afraid.
FoxNews viewers will actually understand it.
It's a cartoon, afterall.


Frankly, it makes a point and it sure is a powerful one.

NOTE: Original video made Private - updating with new link below:




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Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!! (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 OP
On YouTube, at this moment, the Dislikes are winning. Let's flip it on SDjack Dec 2012 #1
done! tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #3
My like made 524 likes duhneece Dec 2012 #11
Lot of paid haters or complete idiots must be pushing the dislike button. think Dec 2012 #32
We used to call that "Freeping" an online poll Jack Rabbit Dec 2012 #70
Drudge trolls come to mind.... think Dec 2012 #72
Love tangling with RW trolls on youtube AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #76
Its crazy! Rockyj Dec 2012 #80
It's now: 745 likes, 719 dislikes dmr Dec 2012 #49
Likes v Dislikes: Likes are just barely ahead. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #65
I am betting JohnStJohn Dec 2012 #71
yep, I saw the same thing tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #90
GOP Sheeple are swarming... Rockyj Dec 2012 #75
it's trending now... I think it's going to be moving faster & faster tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #92
Wow how do you get that? Rockyj Dec 2012 #115
u can just search videos on that domain and see what comes up tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #140
They're apparently not watching it - just taking Fox's word on it. You think they'd learn. gateley Dec 2012 #108
Crayons mtasselin Dec 2012 #2
even some repubs might understand it, AlbertCat Dec 2012 #53
Never read YouTube comments. They cause despair. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #105
I know I know Rockyj Dec 2012 #116
You know, I think a lot of them are. They're paid sock-puppets, or meat-puppets or whatever you want Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #120
Actually... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #128
k and r goclark Dec 2012 #4
please do - !!! tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #5
yes - please do Berlum Dec 2012 #22
Yes ... again ashling Dec 2012 #33
From the YouTube description: amb123 Dec 2012 #6
Great job by Ed ... Auggie Dec 2012 #9
Excellent. I was wondering too. Big Asner fan from way back. think Dec 2012 #38
I'm a fan too Auggie Dec 2012 #46
Thought I recognized the voice. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #40
K&R daleanime Dec 2012 #7
Source? thesquanderer Dec 2012 #8
source tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #10
What is it that you don't like about the video? mac56 Dec 2012 #14
plenty thesquanderer Dec 2012 #17
Stewart and Colbert clips would turn a lot of people away. mac56 Dec 2012 #29
Stewart and Colbert? brush Dec 2012 #34
^ THIS ^ mac56 Dec 2012 #41
Stewart and Colbert are already on 5 nights a week each Enrique Dec 2012 #61
Four nights per week HuskyOffset Dec 2012 #73
What complete bullshit. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #64
Geez. Someone asked why I didn't like it, and I explained. thesquanderer Dec 2012 #101
too much coffee? OregonProg Dec 2012 #124
What you said. Too long and plain for ANYONE to get the message. n/t Dawgs Dec 2012 #67
If you read the youtube comments... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #129
Here's what they are referring to ... meegbear Dec 2012 #25
Thanks. Did you notice this line from the article: Aldo Leopold Dec 2012 #57
Ah yes, "success" BuelahWitch Dec 2012 #103
This video is amusing Gothmog Dec 2012 #77
True dat. Maynar Dec 2012 #118
Thanks for the link thesquanderer Dec 2012 #102
I love ED's answer to Fox producer's question! Rockyj Dec 2012 #117
Welcome to DU, Rockyj! calimary Dec 2012 #119
Ditto! Kicked! GigiMommy Dec 2012 #12
This is good but RegieRocker Dec 2012 #13
You work for Hannity? lonestarnot Dec 2012 #15
You Mitts best buddy? RegieRocker Dec 2012 #142
Good video Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #16
great. I hadn't seen this before. Thanks crazylikafox Dec 2012 #18
The rich people's money towers crashed on our houses. fasttense Dec 2012 #19
They nail the visuals on trickle down... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #43
K&R, tweeted, facebooked and emailed. nt Pryderi Dec 2012 #20
Chickenhawk WhineBaby Hannity is upset about the truth again? Berlum Dec 2012 #21
I like the video. dotymed Dec 2012 #23
Another scapegoat Estevan Dec 2012 #24
Love THIS LittleGirl Dec 2012 #26
X-posting to the Economy Group. Hugin Dec 2012 #27
re:Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!! allan01 Dec 2012 #28
Well done liberal N proud Dec 2012 #30
This is obviously being Freeped on Youtube. drm604 Dec 2012 #31
"this is a load of crap" is such incisive criticism. dchill Dec 2012 #35
It's easy and quick to post and enough of it drives any positive remarks off of the page. drm604 Dec 2012 #47
Kick. tosh Dec 2012 #36
I liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiked it! ReRe Dec 2012 #37
The sad thing is people probably do think the cause of the crash was money falling on their houses dkf Dec 2012 #39
They were encouraged to do that by the banks. drm604 Dec 2012 #44
So what is the government doing to kids enabling them to incur such large loans? dkf Dec 2012 #52
Obama got rid of the middle men Whoopdedoo Dec 2012 #82
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #85
Welcome! drm604 Dec 2012 #106
If I am a bank with billions of dollars and you are a poor shlub looking for a mortgage yodermon Dec 2012 #50
So when you pay someone for their expertise, you actually expect to receive it? ieoeja Dec 2012 #69
Actually a lot of people have learned Hissyspit Dec 2012 #93
Posted to for facebook re-posting later.. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #42
Ohboy! loudsue Dec 2012 #45
Wow, great video. Everybody should see it. ck4829 Dec 2012 #48
Love it - a must watch pipewrench Dec 2012 #51
I hope to see it on the nightly news nevetsbboc Dec 2012 #55
I love the sound of talking heads exploding. Smilo Dec 2012 #54
I have seen this for 5 decades... Goodcrow Dec 2012 #144
Dang I liked it before it was fashionable XD ;) pam4water Dec 2012 #56
Pass it on and get the conservanazis excited. TxVietVet Dec 2012 #58
I wonder if Hannity has seen this one, too? (Everyone should!) mcranor Dec 2012 #59
wow - that is worth an OP if it hasn't been done already tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #62
I agree 1,000% 2naSalit Dec 2012 #66
Wow Dokkie Dec 2012 #136
Great Post! Kick n/t Dalai_1 Dec 2012 #60
added my like warrprayer Dec 2012 #63
neck & neck at 923 likes, 924 dislikes . added my like. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2012 #68
Now at 954 likes, 967 dislikes Euphoria Dec 2012 #74
This is also good (RSA Animate) They_Live Dec 2012 #78
oh and this They_Live Dec 2012 #79
k & r n/t ejbr Dec 2012 #81
They were attacking Ed Asner about this the other day. kimbutgar Dec 2012 #83
++++++ haikugal Dec 2012 #84
Wow and Reccomend! Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #86
When did Hannity pull this from FOX News? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #87
Went to Youtube and "Liked" it. yends21012 Dec 2012 #88
I posted this video on FB a few days ago onlyadream Dec 2012 #89
Ed hits that sarcasm note so well - love him toby jo Dec 2012 #91
Once this truly goes viral there will be way more likes. budkin Dec 2012 #94
I hope so!! It's terrific :) nt Pryderi Dec 2012 #95
k&r scmoore120 Dec 2012 #96
K&R raouldukelives Dec 2012 #97
1,639 likes, 1,426 dislikes nt donco Dec 2012 #98
This is great! Uniblab Dec 2012 #99
tomm!!!! ---California teachers union video shows rich man urinating on poor to make taxes case underpants Dec 2012 #100
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #104
nailed it! fascisthunter Dec 2012 #107
How could anyone dislike this? neoconn Dec 2012 #109
bookmark. Thanks. n/t lindysalsagal Dec 2012 #110
Great video. But it looks like the right-wing nuts have flocked to it 20score Dec 2012 #111
Great - I love it. LaPera Dec 2012 #112
The best part, to me, is that Ed Asner is narrating Scootaloo Dec 2012 #113
FoxNews catches up to Asner -- Ed Asner Asks Fox News Producer: ‘Can I Piss On You?’ Tx4obama Dec 2012 #114
I just saw that... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #143
The video is no longer available. Dang, I missed it. mfcorey1 Dec 2012 #121
Here it is... AbrahamFungusJr Dec 2012 #122
And I'll just leave this right here... AbrahamFungusJr Dec 2012 #123
One for the block... Fedaykin Dec 2012 #125
LINK NO LONGER WORKS! VIDEO IS NOW MARKED PRIVATE!!! NT Pryderi Dec 2012 #126
Here's the new link Pryderi Dec 2012 #127
The same selfish pigs that voted for Romney/Ryan are pooping all over this nc4bo Dec 2012 #132
If you upload it, just disable comments.nt Pryderi Dec 2012 #133
I'd probably do that if it were me... nc4bo Dec 2012 #135
thanks I updated the OP with that tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #139
The video has been made private AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #130
The new link is on post 127. nt Ilsa Dec 2012 #134
Bookmarking to watch later! beac Dec 2012 #131
Oh it's private now. Can't see the video any more sad :( pam4water Dec 2012 #137
You can see it anytime you want............Enjoy it here nc4bo Dec 2012 #138
Thanks. pam4water Dec 2012 #141
 

think

(11,641 posts)
32. Lot of paid haters or complete idiots must be pushing the dislike button.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:58 AM
Dec 2012

Luckily the majority of Americans finally saw through the BS....

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
70. We used to call that "Freeping" an online poll
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:51 PM
Dec 2012

But the Freepers are too irrelevant now to remember to call it that.

Just remember than no matter what an online poll says, it doesn't mean a fucking thing.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
76. Love tangling with RW trolls on youtube
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:35 PM
Dec 2012

Most of them are easily slaughtered with logic. It's fun to watch them twist in the wind.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
65. Likes v Dislikes: Likes are just barely ahead.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:59 PM
Dec 2012

I "liked" and made a comment (under Catharina Shields).

JohnStJohn

(9 posts)
71. I am betting
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:53 PM
Dec 2012

that some group is using a bot to constantly vote this video down. In a matter of under 3 minutes the count went from 924 likes, 840 dislikes to 929 likes, 938 dislikes. Seems odd that that many dislikes would be recorded in that length of time if you ask me.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
90. yep, I saw the same thing
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:48 PM
Dec 2012

They are wasting their time trying to deflect folks -- all the talk on FoxNews last night with Sean Hannity, Greta and the rest, plus a major revisit this morning with Tucker and Colmes is only bringing MORE attention to the video, not less.

It does show their fear of the straight-forward nature of the cartoon to get through to people that they are putting so much effort into manning the chat room with comments -- some of the same faces going over and over trying to keep positive comments pushed down. (Which only makes themselves feel better and keeps them from moving on to other tasks, so I welcome it)

In the meantime, tweets and facebook posts continue, all thanks to Fox airing it in the first place. Oh Hannity, what were you thinking putting it on national TV to give it the spotlight that it may have never gotten otherwise. Gotta love it.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
75. GOP Sheeple are swarming...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:35 PM
Dec 2012

on it like flies on s--t with "dislikes" & comments! Saying the cartoon is propaganda created by socialists and/or communists! They don't even know the difference! Tweet & spread far & wide & ask Libs to "Like It" & comment!

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
92. it's trending now... I think it's going to be moving faster & faster
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:56 PM
Dec 2012

Viral Video Chart has a trend chart and it is pretty encouraging

Rockyj

(538 posts)
115. Wow how do you get that?
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:40 AM
Dec 2012

What's confusing is the views are about the same because most are viewing it from other sites rather than You Tube!
Up to 2,937 likes compared to 1949 dislikes!

mtasselin

(666 posts)
2. Crayons
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:55 AM
Dec 2012

This is so simple even some repubs might understand it, but for the other ones we will need lots of crayons.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
116. I know I know
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:44 AM
Dec 2012

my BAD! ...I've been having comment wars with several of them! I think they all must be the same person.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
120. You know, I think a lot of them are. They're paid sock-puppets, or meat-puppets or whatever you want
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:27 AM
Dec 2012

to call them. Check out this want ad:

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Send us a sample of your writing and your lowest offer for a pack of 20 QUALITY posts.
http://www.projectlance.com/projects/job/17/forum-blog-comment-posting-at-forum-poster/

I have no proof that's for an RW organization, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't.
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
128. Actually...
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:22 AM
Dec 2012

They are quite funny because they are so gut wrenchingly stupid. Last night I spent a half hour tangling with them there. It is so easy to pick them apart. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
4. k and r
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
Dec 2012

Can this be posted in Geraral Discussion too?
It is just the vision for a broader audience.

Something like...." This link will drive the Rethugs crazy! "

amb123

(1,581 posts)
6. From the YouTube description:
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:00 AM
Dec 2012
Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale, is narrated by Ed Asner, with animation by Mike Konopacki. Written and directed by Fred Glass for the California Federation of Teachers. An 8 minute video about how we arrived at this moment of poorly funded public services and widening economic inequality. Things go downhill in a happy and prosperous land after the rich decide they don't want to pay taxes anymore. They tell the people that there is no alternative, but the people aren't so sure. This land bears a startling resemblance to our land. For more info, www.cft.org.
 

think

(11,641 posts)
38. Excellent. I was wondering too. Big Asner fan from way back.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:10 AM
Dec 2012

He narrated a video in the 80's, Americas in Transition , that documented America's involvement with dictators in Central & South America. It broke my heart.

I then went to Nicaragua to pick coffee in the war zone to help stop our illegal and secret war there.

Good for Ed to be involved in this project.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
8. Source?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:03 AM
Dec 2012

Any link to any place that shows that Fox/Hannity paid any attention to this video?

(Personally, I don't think the video is very good, honestly.)

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
17. plenty
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:52 AM
Dec 2012

IMO, nothing there will have any impact on anyone who doesn't already believe what's being said. It's too long, too angry, and not particularly entertaining. There are lots of assertions but very little information, and it overstates some of its case. For example, even the people who say that public workers are overpaid are not generally blaming them for the financial collapse, so that comes across as a bit of a strawman argument. And so on. If I wanted to try to make some impact on someone who was not already convinced about this stuff, I'd use Jon Stewart and Colbert clips. Facts and humor go further than assertions and anger.


mac56

(17,569 posts)
29. Stewart and Colbert clips would turn a lot of people away.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:52 AM
Dec 2012

As much as I appreciate them, a lot of people I know perceive them as being too snarky and belittling.

And if you don't think people are blaming public workers for the collapse, clearly you haven't spent any time in Wisconsin lately.

But if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you.

brush

(53,785 posts)
34. Stewart and Colbert?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:01 AM
Dec 2012

Stewart and Colbert are a little too highbrow for most of the FOX noise crowd they're trying to reach with this video. That's why it's a cartoon.

mac56

(17,569 posts)
41. ^ THIS ^
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:15 AM
Dec 2012

You can convey messages in animation (or comics, for that matter) that you can't in real life.

From "O'Donnell's Laws Of Cartoon Motion":

For every vengeance there is an equal and opposite revengeance. This is the one law of animated cartoon motion that also applies to the physical world at large. For that reason, we need the relief of watching it happen to a duck instead.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
61. Stewart and Colbert are already on 5 nights a week each
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
Dec 2012

their acceptable form of liberalism already gets 10 hours every single week. Their main take on class warfare is to mock anyone accusing them of class warfare, because it obviously is not.

What's missing from the conversation is actual class warfare, which this cartoon provides.

HuskyOffset

(889 posts)
73. Four nights per week
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:58 PM
Dec 2012

Not that it makes any difference to your point, but Stewart and Colbert are on four nights per week, Monday thru Thursday.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
64. What complete bullshit.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:54 PM
Dec 2012

Those ARE Facts and Humor in that cartoon. The strawman here is YOUR lame-ass "argument".

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
101. Geez. Someone asked why I didn't like it, and I explained.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:18 PM
Dec 2012

You don't have to get nasty about it. If you liked it, fine.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
129. If you read the youtube comments...
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
Dec 2012

many of them are blaming public employees for the collapse.

This is very easy to pick apart. All you have to do is remind them that a few short years ago, public jobs were considered LOW paying, but with decent benefits. If they consider them to be 'high paying' now it is because republican employers have started stripping their employees of pay and benefits. It is their stupid ideology, as always.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
57. Thanks. Did you notice this line from the article:
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:12 PM
Dec 2012

"Hannity remarked that the video almost made him want to “beat up a rich person.” He and both panelists agreed that the video seems too willing to demonize success."

The inference being that, in the view of Hannity and Fox colleagues, wealth is the measure of success. No wonder teachers and other public servants are regarded by asshats like these as unsuccessful freeloaders.

Gothmog

(145,293 posts)
77. This video is amusing
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:41 PM
Dec 2012

The fact that Hannity is upset by this video shows how effective this video is

Rockyj

(538 posts)
117. I love ED's answer to Fox producer's question!
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:57 AM
Dec 2012

The actual confrontation went like this:

The Fox producer asked Asner: “Do you remember the video? Do you know what I’m talking about?”

“I don’t remember a thing I said on it or a word I said on it,” Asner replied, “but I agreed to do it for California teachers. I approve this message.”

“There’s a part of it where talking about things trickling down and they have like rich people peeing on poor people,” the producer explained further.

“How disgusting,” Asner said. “It should be reversed.”

“So you don’t remember that?” the producer asked.

“Do you have any money?” Asner asked with a smirk.

“Yeah.”

“Can I piss on you?” asked the actor.

And… end scene.

“Pretty classy, Mr. Asner,” Hannity concluded back in studio. “I guess it’s true there’s really no business like show business.”



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ed-asner-asks-fox-news-producer-can-i-piss-on-you/

calimary

(81,304 posts)
119. Welcome to DU, Rockyj!
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:17 AM
Dec 2012

Glad to have you with us!

"Can I piss on you?" Ed Asner asks a hapless Pox Noise producer. calimary would add - "take a number."

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
43. They nail the visuals on trickle down...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
Dec 2012

I have used the phrase (stolen and modified from the Outlaw Josie Wales) "don't piss down my back and tell me it's trickle down economics"

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
23. I like the video.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:04 AM
Dec 2012

I think it is written on a level that even under-informed (fox viewers) can relate to. Maybe it can help them to realize the 1% has screwed them continually... I can't believe that it is not liked on you tube. I will "like" it and hope that it gets some teevee air time.

Estevan

(70 posts)
24. Another scapegoat
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:11 AM
Dec 2012

was "illegal" immigrants. I remember even people here on DU were pointing the finger at them..

allan01

(1,950 posts)
28. re:Video Has FoxNews in a Panic!!
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:45 AM
Dec 2012

fox news . meh . good cartoon and good explination. too bad this isnt an advert on tv.repeated and repeated .

drm604

(16,230 posts)
31. This is obviously being Freeped on Youtube.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:55 AM
Dec 2012

Just look at all of the disparaging comments. Those didn't arise organically. They show that certain people are afraid of this video and are rallying their minions. It's obviously an organized effort. In response, we need to increase the likes and overwhelm the "this is a load of crap" comments with positive remarks reinforcing the truth of this video.

dchill

(38,502 posts)
35. "this is a load of crap" is such incisive criticism.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:04 AM
Dec 2012

The intelligence is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
47. It's easy and quick to post and enough of it drives any positive remarks off of the page.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:33 AM
Dec 2012

We need to give thumbs down to all remarks of that type, and give thumbs up to all positive remarks, and post our own positive remarks.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
37. I liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiked it!
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:07 AM
Dec 2012

And I liked it on YouTube. Jump on over to YouTube ASAP and like it too!!!...we're still behind a bit...

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
39. The sad thing is people probably do think the cause of the crash was money falling on their houses
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:11 AM
Dec 2012

They had no idea what they were doing when they bought into a bubble, leveraged too highly, stretched their budgets too far, or used their homes as piggy banks.

All they can do is blame others because they don't understand risk and they don't understand debt.

Look at the college loan situation. It's the same exact thing and it didn't even need banks. Now it's the Government loading up kids with college debt.

Nobody learns.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
44. They were encouraged to do that by the banks.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:26 AM
Dec 2012

Not everyone is a finance wizard, nor can everyone be expected to be one.

The banks have an obligation to lend money wisely and not make irresponsible loans. In the past, their own self interest made sure that they met that obligation. The collateralization of mortgages combined with unregulated gambling and dishonest ratings changed that equation.

And no, I don't think that anyone literally believes that money fell on their houses. It's an analogy and I'm quite certain that nearly everyone gets that.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
52. So what is the government doing to kids enabling them to incur such large loans?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:43 PM
Dec 2012

Same thing?

Whoopdedoo

(60 posts)
82. Obama got rid of the middle men
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:38 PM
Dec 2012

By taking over the loans directly, students pay less interest, and don't have to start paying back those loans until they are gainfully employed. So not the same thing by a long shot.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
50. If I am a bank with billions of dollars and you are a poor shlub looking for a mortgage
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
Dec 2012

and can't really afford one, the onus is on ME to determine wheter you are too high risk or not.

*I* have all the money
*I* have all the power
*I* get to decide wheter I loan it to you or not, it's MY FUCKING MONEY after all.
*I* have the responsibility in the relationship. YOU are a pathetic little beggar who wants some table scraps.

In fact maybe I *will* loan you the money and then bet *against* your ability to pay it back with credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations and other exotic financial devices that you can't possibly understand, you little shit, and laugh all the way to the bank when you default. Oh wait, I *am* the bank! Muahaha!

Yeah, "all they can do is blame others" oh, it is to laugh. LOOK OVER THERE!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beazer_Homes_USA

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
69. So when you pay someone for their expertise, you actually expect to receive it?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:49 PM
Dec 2012

Believing that was your mistake. Don't blame them for taking advantage of you. You let them.

Worse than that, you went to them, not the other way around. So you invited them to screw you over. They did not force you to pay them for their services. It is all your fault.

Because the disclaimer is sadly necessary in light of the post to which you are responding.


Smilo

(1,944 posts)
54. I love the sound of talking heads exploding.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:03 PM
Dec 2012
&feature=youtu.be

Tax the Rich: An animated fairy tale
Likes 805 Dislikes 797

Keep on liking people.

K&R

Goodcrow

(1 post)
144. I have seen this for 5 decades...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:15 AM
Dec 2012

I have watched what the rich have done for 5 decades and tried to warn people but my words fell on deaf ears. The start of this was in 1966 when I could walk down any street and stick my head in a shop door and say I need a job. I would have one before I got three doors! Then the government told the rich they didn't have to pay benefits if they laid off people just before Thanksgiving and hired them back when they needed to do inventory. SO, that is exactly what they did!
Then the EPA came in and closed down the mines where I worked claiming that the lead dust was a hazard to the miners health and to the town. Then they closed the Cement plant for the same reason. That was followed by them claiming that the fish couldn't get up the river because of the dams so they stopped all hydroelectric dams. Then they stopped the local loggers from logging because of the "Spotted Owl" and they allowed Japanese loggers to come in and clear cut the mountains and then they shipped the trees 200 miles off the coast of Seattle where the Japanese processing ships turned the timber into plywood and sold it back to us. That caused the cost of a sheet of 3/4 plywood construction grade to go from $11.00 a sheet to $44.00 a sheet overnight!
Then they began laying off people and closing plants and sending our jobs overseas claiming that the Unions were asking too much money and they couldn't afford us anymore. When we caught them on that subject they then said that it was because we lacked the education and skills to do the jobs they had. Truth was they didn't bother to find out if we had the skills or education. They sent the jobs to China and Korea and Afghanistan and India and they brought farmers in out of the fields who obviously had more education and skills than we did here in America! Then they taught them to work in sweatshops cranking out stuff to send back here and make Wal Mart rich and Apple.
I still kept working at whatever I could and I was one of those people that did the migrant work that no American would want and I worked in the fields next to the Mexicans doing the same work. All the time the Government kept telling the middle class it was the poor that was the source of their problems because we laid up on welfare and took food stamps and made babies and didn't look for work cause we were lazy! Of course the middle class bought it and they preached it for years. All the time housing and rents kept going up and up till I couldn't afford to buy a house or even pay rent on one. The middle class wasn't worried they had credit cards and big houses and many cars and boats and ski doos and ATVs all on credit. Then one day the house of cards the rich built fell down around their ears and the too big to fail banks and insurance companies who pillaged the poor and middle class for years wanted a bail out! So everyone let them have it. THey paid themselves Humongous bonuses for failing. They went after the middle class and foreclosed on their homes and blamed them for going into debt for stuff they couldn't afford and then put them out in the street!
Now those people that used to be middle class and called me lazy are now in the same boat as I am and they want pitty! Well somehow I don't feel all that sorry for them after decades of being called lazy and having to take migrant jobs and setting sprinkler pipe in knee deep mud for ten cents a head in January with no coat and pneumonia just to feed my daughter and wife. Because of the rich and having to work part time jobs and migrant jobs I have never made more than $7000 a year! But I got my kids raised on it and now I am old and broken down and retired and get $4440 a year from Social Security and God help me if I get sick because I can't pay for medicare or Medicaid and I don't qualify for anything from the state. The Insurance companies will let me have a quarter of a million in death benefits for $29.00 a month. They want 395.00 a month for health insurance! So in short they want me to die but they don't want me to live! If I go to the bank to cash my social security they charge me $15.00 for cashing my check. I can get it at wal mart for $3.00 if I do it there. If I could afford to have a bank account with $10,000 in it I could get it done for free. So not only did they make me poor but they penalized me for being poor my whole life. However there is one thing they did not do! They didn't take my faith, my honor, or my soul! They made me a survivor! I will use my last ounce of energy and my last breath speaking out against this kind of ME attitude and the constant blocking anything that will help the working class! I went without food so I could buy a computer so I am able to have a voice. The rich will play the races and the classes and everyone against everyone as long as they can keep us divided! They blame anyone they can to take the heat off of themselves. If we don't put a stop to it there won't be any America to be proud of!! We have to shine the light in the darkest recesses of Wall Street and Big business and Big Insurance and get the prices down so we can afford the American dream that my father and mother knew. We have to HARP on JOBS JOBS and MORE Jobs till they spend some money on the poorest sectors of our society. They cry for billions for some third world country to feed the starving kids and the warrior class steals the money and food and medicine and blows up our cities! They want to take away my pitiful social security all $376 dollars a month of it! How about we take the entitlements of Congress first they get paid for life no matter how long they serve! Lets deal with THOSE entitlements first! Lets feed OUR starving and educate OUR children not teach some son or daughter of some terrorist how to go home and teach others to make bombs and such to destroy us with! Ok I have spoken my piece! God Bless America because He is the only one that seems to care!

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
58. Pass it on and get the conservanazis excited.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:19 PM
Dec 2012

It explains what's going on in this country right now and who the 99% is.

 

mcranor

(92 posts)
59. I wonder if Hannity has seen this one, too? (Everyone should!)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:31 PM
Dec 2012

About the military budget. Short cartoon, easily understood, very powerful. Could penetrate Fox viewers' skulls...

Euphoria

(448 posts)
74. Now at 954 likes, 967 dislikes
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:15 PM
Dec 2012

This is a very good retelling of what's been going on.

One minor wish...that the explanation was a lot clearer of the 2007-08 crash - that of the bundling of junk financial 'products' and the casino investment banks and firms.

kimbutgar

(21,157 posts)
83. They were attacking Ed Asner about this the other day.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:00 PM
Dec 2012

I saw a teaser on Fox when I was channel surfing and they were attacking Ed Asner. Now I know why. Thank you for whoever did this video I will post on my facebook page.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
87. When did Hannity pull this from FOX News?
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:31 PM
Dec 2012

I'd like to see that video ... would be interesting to see his reaction.

Problem is, all you have to do is read the comments to understand how little informed people are and why this video's impact won't be big. The top comment right now is talking about high taxes and more spending not doing a damn thing to improve the economy in California ... and it's getting thumbs ups. That's what we're going against, I'm afraid.

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
89. I posted this video on FB a few days ago
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:48 PM
Dec 2012

And sure enough I got the attention of my libertarian friend who told me that I'm a hypocrite because I live in a nice house and have a nice car. He told be I should voluntarily give more taxes, since I have that right. I replied that I would gladly pay more if the high wage earners did as well.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
97. K&R
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:32 PM
Dec 2012

Of course a lot of people will see this and say "Hey! Neato! I'll invest in Wall St and help them achieve their goals."
To those that don't, .

Uniblab

(25 posts)
99. This is great!
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:55 PM
Dec 2012

More and more people are getting it. Unfortunately, there are some that are so brainwashed from fox noise that they think this is all made up and communistic.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
100. tomm!!!! ---California teachers union video shows rich man urinating on poor to make taxes case
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:04 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/

An animated video produced by a California teachers union uses the crude imagery of a rich man urinating on common folks to decry what narrator Ed Asner claims is rich people’s refusal to pay their share of taxes.

The crude footage is part of a “Tax the rich: An animated fairy tale,” an eight-minute video written and directed by California Federation of Teachers’ communications director Fred Glass. In it, Asner describes a mythical land that seems to represent the U.S. and how it financed its services. He says the rich sought to evade taxes and put their money into “Wall Street” – yet another clue to the real identity of the storybook country.

“Don’t worry,” Asner says, speaking for the rich. “This is good for you, too. Because it will trickle down from us to you.”


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/california-teachers-union-video-shows-rich-man-urinating-on-poor-to-make-case/#ixzz2EEHvAg9Y

20score

(4,769 posts)
111. Great video. But it looks like the right-wing nuts have flocked to it
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:52 AM
Dec 2012

on Youtube.

Sucks. Always feel bad about the entire human race when I read right-wingers on Youtube.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
143. I just saw that...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:05 AM
Dec 2012

Hannity needed Michelle Malkin to join him in a "comment" on this interview and the cartoon in general.

This is about as "news" as it gets for Fox News. They have the same comments from the same guests who find something to whine about while they pretend to present any news.

Can I piss on them, too?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
132. The same selfish pigs that voted for Romney/Ryan are pooping all over this
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:43 AM
Dec 2012

even after the url of the video changed.

Class warfare. Greedy corporate whores and their worshipers against the other half of the country who voted for some semblance of fairness and/or hope of changing our present course - and although I'm really hesitant to lump all of those piggy comments into the us vs them category, I'd be willing to be that most of those commenting aren't even close to being in the 1%, they are wannabe's or thinkIam's but more than likely, neverbe.

Go figure the stupidity and ignorance, I can't.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
135. I'd probably do that if it were me...
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:40 PM
Dec 2012

but then again, perhaps it's beneficial to see exactly the type of mentality we're up against.

They are like rabid animals - I'd probably disable the comments just to piss them off. They'll have to keep their vitriol to themselves.

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