More than 200 Israelis killed as hostage situations continue to unfold - MSNBC Reports (3 videos)

[Rhiannon12866]

Israel’s Foreign Ministry confirmed that at least 200 Israelis have been killed in the deadly surprise Hamas attack. There are also two ongoing hostage situations with Palestinian gunmen currently surrounded by Israeli special forces. - Aired on 10/07/2023.




How Gaza's public opinion of Israel could have influenced the Hamas attack - American Voices - MSNBC

As the conflict between Hamas and Israel continues to grow, NBC News' Raf Sanchez and Richard Engel report on why a ground war would likely lead to large-scale casualties and how the sentiment from inside Gaza has influenced the attacks. - Aired on 10/07/2023.




Why some say attack is equivalent to 9/11: 'One of the deadliest attacks Israel has ever seen' - Symone - MSNBC

The sheer magnitude of Hamas’ attack on Israel is hard to describe, but Barak Ravid has said it is comparable to America’s 9/11. He joins Symone Sanders Townsend to talk about the latest on this unprecedented assault. - Aired on 10/07/2023.

[Demovictory9]

1. , in 2011, Netanyahu traded 1,027 Palestinian prisoners, to get one Israeli soldier back

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/opinion/israel-hamas-attack-friedman.html

In a previous term, in 2011, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded 1,027 Palestinian prisoners, including 280 serving life sentences, to get one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, back from Hamas in Gaza. Bibi may be called on to empty every Israeli prison of Palestinians if Hamas is holding older people and children in Gaza, Nahum noted.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. I have a lot of fear about this situation which has been smoldering for decades

Both Presidents Carter and Clinton tried to negotiate a peace, but Carter managed a treaty with Egypt and Barak walked away. This is the worst that it's gotten and now Netanyahu has declared it's war.

[tornado34jh]

3. The Palestinians are not helping their cause by supporting Hamas

Look, Israel is not blameless in this conflict, especially with Netanyahu in power. But I don't think the Palestinians are helping their cause. Doing something like this will not help themselves. In fact, it will likely lessen the support for Palestine.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. I agree. And innocent citizens on both sides are being killed.

[tornado34jh]

6. Well, both sides have made bad decisions

Look, I think that the Palestinians are in a really bad spot, especially with Israel irredentism and settlements on their land. However, I think the Palestinians have to make a decision on who they should support. I get there are very few options, but they need to make a decision on who they support. Now, I am not saying it is solely their fault. I believe the two-state solution has been brought out numerous times, but I think that Israel has not helped itself. Of course, Israel seems to believe it has some sort of superiority complex, but anytime you criticize them, they throw the whole anti-Semitic card, which is stupid.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. Agreed.

And though they are in an ongoing dangerous position, launching an attack on Israel was a terrible decision.

[tornado34jh]

8. That was a major blunder

That will not go well. In fact, I wonder how much support from the Arab countries will change because of this. But again, the Palestinians have to really make a decision on who they support. I get that in a difficult situation you would be inclined to use military force, but I don't think it will give them what they want.

[paleotn]

10. Given that Saudi and other gulf states may soon recognize Israel diplomatically...

the Palestinians may have feared being left out in the cold, without deep pocket benefactors. As distasteful internationally as this attack is, it may illicit such a brutal and destructive response from Israel that Saudi backs away from normalizing relations. That might be Hamas's plan all along.

[tornado34jh]

11. Probably

But again, it's not like Hamas has no support outside of Palestine. Qatar, Iran, and Afghanistan (Taliban) are allies of them, as well as probably Turkey and China.

[wnylib]

4. The hostages will be used as a threat to Israel as Israel fights back.

"Retaliate and we will kill the hostages."

If Israelis could capture a high level Palestinian, they might reverse the tables on hostages. "Return all hostages if you want your leader back."

[paleotn]

9. Could, but that's a big could.

It may be that they simply can't negotiate this time. Extraordinarily hard decision, but given the situation on the ground and the fact that Hamas will ask for the moon and stars, they may simply have to consider them casualties of war, put their heads down and crush Hamas, putting an end to this. Once the smoke clears, Bibi's regime is done. His watch got caught flat footed on the biggest Palestinian attack in generations, resulting in numerous civilian casualties on both sides. Possibly thousands when all this is over, particularly innocent Palestinians.