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Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 03:30 AM Oct 2023

Trump in for RUDE AWAKENING as THREATS on Judges BACKFIRE - Meidas Touch



Trump has blown through every Gag Order entered by every judge he is in front of. Federal Judge Chutkan in the Election interference case is our only hope as she is about to fashion her gag order.

Michael Popok catalogues all of the violent rhetoric against judges & and staff; prosecutors and family; jurors and grand juries and our Justice system overall, used by Trump that Judge Chutkan must address to hold him accountable. - 10/08/2023.



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Trump in for RUDE AWAKENING as THREATS on Judges BACKFIRE - Meidas Touch (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 OP
Here's the Washington Post's article Popok refers to. ancianita Oct 2023 #1
Thanks so much! I thought that the summary was pretty comprehensive Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #2
Exactly. Popok can't read the whole article, just offer legal awareness of its importance. ancianita Oct 2023 #3
That's one of my favorites Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #5
100%! ancianita Oct 2023 #6
And, has been said so many times, it makes no sense that he's allowed to remain free Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #9
Maybe not, but it's time we see why. It's about due process. ancianita Oct 2023 #10
I certainly think that all the subjects of his threats would agree - including Judge Chutkan! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #11
If it could stand on appeal to the SCOTUS, she'll decide in favor of the greater number, sure. ancianita Oct 2023 #12
This HAS to result in Jail as the Judge elucidates each Violation one by one. MagaSmash Oct 2023 #15
Man, I hope so. But you and I AND she know the current SCOTUS makeup. ancianita Oct 2023 #16
Yes. And on second thought, when the DC Appeals Court upholds her gag ruling ancianita Oct 2023 #18
Anyone else would have been in jail by now liberal N proud Oct 2023 #4
I know, with the numerous charges against him, not to mention his dangerous attacks Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #7
Those who can most afford "due process" get the most. The rest of us get adequate ancianita Oct 2023 #8
How much one can afford is certainly a big part but with TFG the judge has to look at politics too captain queeg Oct 2023 #13
She can't really look at politics. Only constitutional rights for both defendant Trump and the ancianita Oct 2023 #14
Gag orders and threats would land most behind bars liberal N proud Oct 2023 #19
I'm hoping that happens. Better before the primaries than during. ancianita Oct 2023 #20
Anybody else would have already been in prison. republianmushroom Oct 2023 #17

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
1. Here's the Washington Post's article Popok refers to.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:17 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/05/catalogue-trumps-attacks-judges-prosecutors-witnesses/

As the former president faces gag orders, it’s worth emphasizing the scale, similarity and viciousness of his attacks


He calls them ‘racist’...

He makes claims about their romances ...

He attacks their family members ...

He calls them ‘Marxist’ and ‘fascist’ ...

He likens them to something subhuman ...

He says they are ‘biased’ and anti-Trump ...

He accuses them of election interference ...

He says they are crazy ..

He accuses them of crimes ...

He makes veiled threats...



ancianita

(36,058 posts)
3. Exactly. Popok can't read the whole article, just offer legal awareness of its importance.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:24 AM
Oct 2023

As a reader I just thought to add the link.

Thanks for posting Legal AF!

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
5. That's one of my favorites
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:29 AM
Oct 2023

With all the charges against TFG, we're all getting an education in the law...

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
6. 100%!
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:31 AM
Oct 2023

Most Americans take law for granted, as if their very existence makes Americans free. Which is why, when they break it, we have to seriously note how they FAFO.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
9. And, has been said so many times, it makes no sense that he's allowed to remain free
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:37 AM
Oct 2023

To continue his attacks. A woman was already arrested to threatening to kill Judge Chutkan. But it looks like it's up to this judge to determine his immediate fate.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
10. Maybe not, but it's time we see why. It's about due process.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:47 AM
Oct 2023

And in Chutkan's case, she's about to weigh P01135809's due process rights against the national public's rights to be free of threats, direct or indirect.

Jack Smith is trying to convince her that the public's rights are more important than Trump's.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
16. Man, I hope so. But you and I AND she know the current SCOTUS makeup.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:15 AM
Oct 2023

We realize they're all about supporting constitutional due process for plaintiffs on appeal, but they also have a creepy way of overturning precedent, no matter how constitutional.

She's got to get this right, so that when the DC Appeals Court upholds her gag ruling, they make it easier for SCOTUS to save this constitutional democratic republic over their nominator.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
18. Yes. And on second thought, when the DC Appeals Court upholds her gag ruling
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
Oct 2023

unanimously, SCOTUS probably won't even take the case.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
7. I know, with the numerous charges against him, not to mention his dangerous attacks
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:32 AM
Oct 2023

It makes no sense that he's been allowed to remain free to continue putting people in danger.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
8. Those who can most afford "due process" get the most. The rest of us get adequate
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 06:33 AM
Oct 2023

due process; then, as you say, end up in jail. This guy affords a much longer due process at-large freedom.

This is not a justice mistake. It's what the Constitution guarantees.

The only difference lies in how much one can pay to enforce their constitutional right of due process. Those who can't pay much or at all, still get due process.

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
13. How much one can afford is certainly a big part but with TFG the judge has to look at politics too
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:08 AM
Oct 2023

There really are two justice systems in the US but ultimately no one is above the law as TFG is starting to realize.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
14. She can't really look at politics. Only constitutional rights for both defendant Trump and the
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:21 AM
Oct 2023

People of the United States plaintiff.

It's facil to say there are two justice systems. There is the practical affordability of legal representation, which actually gets you more than what the constitution guarantees as your due process. Which is why a lot of Jan 6 defendants (most of whom were middle class professionals, btw) stayed out of jail for more than a year after their arrests.

Some of them might totally stay out of jail because they exercise their constitutional rights of due process more fully than others.

When Jack Smith and the DOJ prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, defendants get the chance to afford above-and-beyond adequate constitutional due process, weighed against the plaintiffs' right to adequate due process.

Difference doesn't mean injustice. Difference is not a deficit. Justice is constitutionally equitable.

(Here's an example of "equal" justice under Trump: equally executing all media journalists; otherwise his supporters will say he uses a two-tiered justice system.)

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