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(26,877 posts)...I have little doubt such a man would be castigated by today's corporate media.
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)Hell Romney still thinks that the Soviet Union still exists.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and one of the worst presidents ever did instead
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Funny thing is, FDR was a 1 percenter, so was JFK and RFK
and Bobby wiretapped MLK
so its pathetic to debase President Obama for a point that is not true.
and to stereotype wrongly
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Thomas Jefferson was a fraud and a fake and a liar
The gall of him writing "all are created equal" but only meaning the people that looked like him.
And he didn't include women or anyone else just a liar he was
LBJ had one thing President Obama doesn't have...and that is the strongarm of LBJ.
If only LBJ or Teddy were here today to strongarm the republicans
But they are not and wishing or whining won't make it happen
Therefore instead of whining and putting down LBJ and Obama and FDR and Jimmy Carter
and railing that Lincoln wasn't a democrat, one should appreciate how historic President Obama is, and look at the big prize at the end, instead of wanting instant gratification that whining brings.
btw-look up Ike in wiki and see what he did to the German's at the end of the war.
ooh ooh. Why do people like Ike just for one wrong reading of one sentence he once made?
newfie11
(8,159 posts)all anyone thinks about is Vietnam when his name comes up. He did a lot for this country and it is very unfortunate that Vietnam was under his watch.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and the best at playing the game of politics.
He was also the best majority leader the senate ever had.
He knew how to get votes. And how to get what he wanted.
It's easy for the world (at least Democrats) to love the Kennedy's, but we shall never know what they actually would have and would not have done.
I am unsure whether either would have used their capital the way LBJ did.
Especially as JFK would have had a reelection campaign to deal with, and he would have known Bobby wanted to follow, so would he have expended what could have hurt Bobby?
The unknowns, vs. what we know LBJ actually did.
And it's doing that counts.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)in the escalation?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Harry Truman was a fine president.
Unlike the current occupant of the White House, he did not wage war against the 99%.
Wallace, and Frances Perkins (who you probably also seethe at) were extremely influential in starting the New Deal (something else that probably makes your head explode).
Why don't you run off to some nice Third Way Mecca and brush up on your three-card monte skills.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)btw- you should tell people who might not know that you aren't talking about George Wallace
in case they don't know but Henry Wallace, FDR's 3rd president.
Why the secret? Put his first name in your headline to avoid confusion
(just as when I had my board name originally in 2003, it had Bob, but somehow I forgot to put that in now and all of a sudden there is Lindsay Graham that is a bad Graham and people might get confused).
as the NYC lotto says "You gotta be in it to win it"
and again, debasing the current President when it is not even true, is amazing
You will never get another president as great in your lifetime.
That we had three in mine (LBJ and Obama and Jimmy Carter) is amazing.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)From her early social work in NYC, to her steering of Labor policy n the 1930's, the Movement flourished due to her perseverence.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)She was awesome.
midnight
(26,624 posts)First female to be appointed to the U.S Cabinet...
With The Social Security Act she established unemployment benefits, pensions for the many uncovered elderly Americans, and welfare for the poorest Americans. She pushed to reduce workplace accidents and helped craft laws against child labor. Through the Fair Labor Standards Act, she established the first minimum wage and overtime laws for American workers, and defined the standard forty-hour work week. She formed governmental policy for working with labor unions and helped to alleviate strikes by way of the United States Conciliation Service, Perkins resisted having American women be drafted to serve the military in World War II so that they could enter the civilian workforce in greatly expanded numbers.[3]
There is more at the site... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins
geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)Very influential. I think that Johnson did a lot of good things, and unfortunately gets a much worse rap because of his mishandling of Vietnam, badly mishandling. But the person who ranked him above Roosevelt is loosing me...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)I am a fan. It is a book I'd love to read and I'm adding to my blogs reading list.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)geefloyd46
(1,939 posts)I wish more people had more context of the time the new deal existed in and that way they wouldn't be in such a hurry to returning the country to it.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I would take Truman over every president which followed him assuming that his ideas evolved more on Civil Rights (he was a man of his times). You would expect to never regress in the expansion of rights. Things possible today were not possible in 1864 or 1904 or 1948, but all three Presidents did what they could. Contrast with Wilson, "They have a coon in the White House". So concerned about international affairs, so unconcerned about the people in his own country.
Truman did wonderful work during World War II to ensure that we were spending money properly (it was not perfect but he tried). To have a dozen Trumans today going over defense spending.
I talk Wallace would have been a fine President as well, but the country would not have been ready for him then (I should think so since I live in Iowa). I don't think he would have been nearly as effective as Truman (and Roosevelt might have lost the 1944 election if he had Wallace on the ticket - the Red drumbeat was already going strong and he would have lost significant party support - those in the know knew he was not long for this world, and we were selecting the next President with the VP pick). The choice was more between Byrnes and Truman.
patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)That's a particularly significant point in regards to the South, whom I understand Henry Wallace was in favor of making some very proactive approach to economic and race issues in the South.
IMAGINE!!! if we had done that!
midnight
(26,624 posts)to this party...
boomerbust
(2,181 posts)Was a Democrat
littlemissmartypants
(22,812 posts)THE SHOCK DOCTRINE or read the book? I have seen the Documentary and keep watching it to maintain calm and perspective. It gives a valuable view of politics in our world. Please take a look if you have time.
My post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101787515
Here is a short version (the trailer) if you don't have time to watch the whole thing now. IMHO it could not be more relevant. Peace. LMSP
MinM
(2,650 posts)Warren Hinckle has argued: "Henry Luce believed that a morally slanted press was a responsible press... Life, the flagship picture book of the Luce fleet, afforded photojournalism some of its finest moments, while the text accompanying the pictures that were worth thousands of words was slanted with an ideological warp sufficient to stir Caxton in his grave." The cartoonist, Herbert Block, was equally critical: "Luce's unique contribution to American journalism... is that he placed into the hands of the people yesterday's newspaper and today's garbage homogenized into one neat package."
Luce was a supporter of the Republican Party. His wife, Clare Booth Luce, who shared his right-wing views, was elected to Congress in 1942 and represented Connecticut for the next four years. In her maiden speech she launched a savage attack on the internationalism of Vice President Henry A. Wallace and as a result received a warm response from the isolationists. In February, 1945, he began a campaign for a permanent Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC)...
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