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rurallib

(62,420 posts)
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:36 PM Dec 2017

Today is the earliest sunset in the year and also St. Nicholas Day

At least up here it is, according to the charts I read.
Sunset will remain about the same time until about a week from now when the sunset starts getting later and later. The day that first happens is Santa Lucia Day ( Lucia comes from the Latin word for light).

But the sunrise keeps getting later and later until about New Year's or New Year's Eve. So with the later sunrise the solstice is the shortest day of the year.

The days slowly get longer but with the additional light coming in the evening until ------

about January 6th or so which is also the feast of the Epiphany or the Feast of the Magi. This is the day that sunrise actually starts to come earlier and the day lengthens on both ends. So from Dec. 31 to Jan/ 6th the sunrise is very close to the same time each day.

This fascinates me because I love the dark evenings and I promised myself this year I would be sure to enjoy the dark evenings in early December. Usually I miss them.

It also interests me that the holidays of the season are tied to major sun events - surprise, surprise!

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chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
1. I cannot wait until the days start getting longer and longer..
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:39 PM
Dec 2017

after December 21 which is my son's birthday...I HATE these short daylite days..they are really depressing.

elleng

(130,964 posts)
2. Set here at 4:45 p.m.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:40 PM
Dec 2017

I follow it carefully, because am in a place where sunset is one of the prettiest times of day.

Looks correct. https://sunrise-sunset.org/calendar

LeftInTX

(25,366 posts)
3. Sets at 5:37 today and 5:40 on the 21st.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:12 AM
Dec 2017

South Texas.

I go walking in the afternoon, so I pretty much know the exact time the sun sets.

Also, the length of day changes much more rapidly as the equinox approaches, then it slows down as it nears both solstices. (Tomorrow will be 36 secs shorter.)

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
4. Rats. You beat me to it.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 12:17 PM
Dec 2017

Here's my take, from one year ago, back when ... you know:

Northern hemisphere dwellers: we have just had the earliest sunset of the year, on December 7.

This is science, people. In another month, we won't be getting much more of that.

I'll drag out my "equation of time" links. This is a fascinating subject.

We have just had the earliest sunset of the year, on December 7.

If you live in the northern hemisphere, the sunsets will be occurring later each day from now until June. The day on which the earliest sunset occurs is not the day with the least amount of sunlight. It is also not the day on which the latest sunrise occurs.

Earliest sunset at 40 degrees N. latitude on December 7

The exact date for the earliest sunset or earliest sunrise varies by latitude. Toward the end of the first week of December, mid-temperate latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere have their earliest sunsets. The earliest sunset for 40 degrees N. latitude is on December 7. That would be the latitude of New York City (shown in Jerry Ferguson‘s photo, top of post); Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ; Kansas City, Missouri; Reno, Nevada; Beijing, China; Madrid, Spain; Naples, Italy. Meanwhile, the Southern Hemisphere’s mid-temperate latitudes are waking up to their earliest sunrises.
....

It seems paradoxical. At middle latitudes in the U.S. – and throughout the Northern Hemisphere – the earliest sunsets of the year come about two weeks before the solstice and the shortest day of the year.

Why isn't the earliest sunset on the year’s shortest day? It's because of the discrepancy between the clock and the sun. A clock ticks off exactly 24 hours from one noon to the next. But an actual day - as measured by the spin of the Earth, from what is called one “solar noon” to the next - rarely equals 24 hours exactly.

Solar noon is also called simply midday. It refers to that instant when the sun reaches its highest point for the day. In the month of December, the time period from one solar noon to the next is actually half a minute longer than 24 hours. On December 7, the sun reaches its noontime position at 11:52 a.m. local standard time. Two weeks later - on the winter solstice - the sun will reach its noontime position around 11:59 a.m. That's 7 minutes later than on December 7.

The later clock time for solar noon also means a later clock time for sunrise and sunset.

Sunrise and Sunset, Washington, DC

You can look at the times for any month you choose.

Bonus link:

Why doesn't the earliest sunset occur on the shortest day of the year?

rurallib

(62,420 posts)
5. Thanks so much for the explanation
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:20 PM
Dec 2017

I never knew WHY it was, I had just observed this in the past decade as a correlation to the religious holidays and my love for early evenings.

My emphasis was on how the religious holidays had little to do with real stories and were instead imposed over observations of sun activity. Thus some major sun activity became a major holiday. I am guessing that these were also major holidays in pre-Christian days.

And I so want to enjoy the next week of sundowns at 4:30. In six months I will be hating the sun going down at 9PM.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
6. It's related to something called "the Equation of Time." The effect has been known for centuries.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 01:31 PM
Dec 2017

Loooooong story.... I'll cut and paste from an existing one. This is twelve years old, but it still works.

My favorite astronomical effect.

Just about everyone knows that, in the northern hemisphere, the day with the least amount of daylight marks the winter solstice, which occurs on or about December 21. It is not, however, the day with the earliest sunset or the latest sunrise. The earliest sunset occurs on December 7, or, as it did in 2003, December 8.

Years ago, wondering why this was so, I called the Naval Observatory in DC. Someone there explained the reason for this to me. Basically the cause is that, because the earth is at perihelion in January, it is moving faster in its orbit than it is at aphelion, which occurs in July. It is related to something called the "Equation of Time."

Not many people know about the effect, so, when my mom, back in 2003, said she had seen something about it in the paper, I just had to find it.

Forecast: Sunnier Days Ahead

Sunday, December 7, 2003; Page B06

Buck up! Despite this weekend's wintry weather, there is hope.

Many people know that the start of winter and shortest day of the year is the winter solstice, usually Dec. 21 (it slips a day some years). Not widely recognized is that even though the 21st has the shortest day, it does not have the earliest sunset. The earliest sunset of the year is tomorrow, Dec. 8.

From here on out the afternoons get longer, and we can begin to revel in additional, growing light to guide our homeward commutes. This quirk results because the latest sunrise on the calendar is about Jan. 4, but the earliest sunset is about Dec. 8. The winter solstice of Dec. 21 is midway between these two dates.

So, no need to wait for Dec. 21 to herald the start of "longer" days.

GEORGE BROWN
Washington

The effect is illustrated at Equation of Time, but it helps to have someone sit down and go through a slow explanation of how, because of the Earth's motion along its orbit and its proximity to the Sun now, it has to turn a little more than 360 degrees from one day to the next so that the Sun is directly overhead at noon. If you compare noon as indicated by a sundial to noon as indicated by a clock, you will notice the disparity.

Every website shows or has a link to the chart that shows the daily discrepancy, but I can't find a site that really explains the effect simply, which is, believe it or not, easy to do.

It doesn't seem possible, but watchmakers have, for centuries, made watches that can compensate for the difference.

Mouvement d'horlogerie à quantième perpétuel comportant un mécanisme à équation de temps avec affichage

You won't see this at Walmart.

If you haven't had enough, Google for "equation of time", or ask any astronomer. If you bring this up in science class, people may think you are smart.

The dean of the DC-area weather forecasters, Bob Ryan, from Buffalo, New York, used to put out an almanac every year. Let's look at some times for sunsets and sunrises from his almanac. On November 30, 2005, the sun set at 4:47 p.m. On December 1, the sun set at 4:45 p.m. The sunset remains at 4:45 p.m all the way through December 12. On the 13th, the sun sets at 4:47 p.m again. That makes December 7 or so the day with the earliest sunset.

Meanwhile, the sunrise is getting later every day. On December 1, the sun rose at 7:07 a.m. On December 7, sunrise is at 7:13 a.m., and on December 13, sunrise is at 7:17 a.m. The sun rises at 7:27 a.m. from December 31 all the way through January 10. Split the difference to get the day with the latest sunrise as January 4 or January 5.

DC is at about 39 degrees north latitude.

This really is the best time of year. The sunsets are beautiful, and in the southeastern US, the dreadful humidity and mosquitos are blissfully gone. DC never looks handsomer than it does in December. All the museums and other buildings, like the Willard Hotel, are full of poinsettias and displays. I must get down to the Botanical Gardens.

By the way, my watch has stopped. Does anyone know what time it is?

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http://forums.insidelacrosse.com/threads/my-favorite-astronomical-effect.32746/#post-940134

It's that time again.

I love this picture. Suppose you set up a camera on a tripod aimed at the east-southeast and that once per week, at the same time of the morning, you took a picture of the sun fairly low in the sky. At the end of the year, you put all those images on top of each other. This is what that composite image would look like.

Time lapse photograph of the sun taken at 8:30 a.m. over a one-year period.

Right now, the sun is nearing the low point of this lopsided figure 8, which is called an analemma. The point where the path crosses itself marks the position of the sun on March 15 and September 1.

In other news, Mercury rises about 5:30 a.m. in the DC area these days. It is easily visible at 6 a.m., even in the middle of a city.

This will be on the exam.

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http://forums.insidelacrosse.com/threads/my-favorite-astronomical-effect.32746/#post-940225

So the shortest day of the year is not on the day that the sun sets the earliest?


That's right. Not many people know it, either. Every morning, however, the newspaper prints the sunrise and sunset for that day, so the numbers are there to see. It took me years to learn what the deal was.

The ancients spent a lot of time studying the skies, and they were aware of anomalies to the sun's motion.

The earliest sunset of the year will be just about a week now, at 4:45 p.m. in DC. As we are at the winter solstice, the sun will "stall" in the sky, and it will set at about the same time for the first twelve days in December. By the time the shortest day comes around, the sun will already be setting later.

Meanwhile, the sun will continue to rise later until the first week in January. Then, it changes course and begins to rise earlier. You're at about 46 or so degrees north latitude, so the numbers are different for you than they are for me.

Wikipedia, Equation of Time

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Related subject: the analemma.

Happy Bottom of the Analemma Day everybody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
8. I never cease to be amazed at how smart people were hundreds and thousands of years ago.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 03:09 PM
Dec 2017

How many people today know of this effect, and yet the knowledge of it has existed for centuries.

The ancients were superb astronomers.

rurallib

(62,420 posts)
9. I often think of that, but what else did they have to do?
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

they knew they were so dependent on the sun that tracking its every move was crucial to life.
And their internet was pretty creaky.

Edit to add - I agree they were incredibly smart and extremely resourceful. We never give them the credit they deserve.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,484 posts)
10. Yesterday (give or take) had the latest sunrise of the year. From now until June,
Mon Jan 8, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jan 2018

sunrises will occur earlier every day.

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