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Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:27 PM Jul 2018

Why is it we can't have real variety shows like the Ed Sullivan Show these days?

Just people performing for our entertainment. No washed up judges. No buzzers. No stupid X's.

Can Americans do anything without turning it into a fucking competition?

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Why is it we can't have real variety shows like the Ed Sullivan Show these days? (Original Post) Jake Stern Jul 2018 OP
nobody has a "really big shoe" these days. lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #1
Very good. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #2
good idea! try out for shark tank and see if they like it! unblock Jul 2018 #3
Stop watching shows like that. rownesheck Jul 2018 #4
Isn't that the truth! Duppers Jul 2018 #11
This......nt JPK Jul 2018 #26
Competition makes for compelling drama. It's the reason why John Fante Jul 2018 #5
One of my guilty pleasures is watching reruns of Lawrence Welk and Ed Sullivan on PBS. Jake Stern Jul 2018 #8
Yeah, but for Lawrence Welk's music to be entertaining, don't you have to be, like, Aristus Jul 2018 #13
Indeed Jake Stern Jul 2018 #14
I used to watch Lawrence Welk with my grandmother Rhiannon12866 Jul 2018 #16
my folks watched this every week MissMillie Jul 2018 #18
Was told it was my grandmother's favorite show Jake Stern Jul 2018 #19
Or a Mormon Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #24
Yes, the wholesome delightsome young maidens defacto7 Jul 2018 #31
The networks think we all want to relive gym class? pwb Jul 2018 #6
I miss the Carol Burnett Show elfin Jul 2018 #7
+1 MissMillie Jul 2018 #17
Yep, that show was hysterical! onlyadream Jul 2018 #21
Influenced a generation. First time I saw Presley, Beatles, the Stones. Loved Stiller and Meara Floyd R. Turbo Jul 2018 #9
families dont watch tv together anymore. used to be all 4 of us watching the same msongs Jul 2018 #10
Many families don't even have a TV anymore crazycatlady Jul 2018 #23
Something for everyone on Ed Sullivan's Show. Grammy23 Jul 2018 #12
"and Sullivan made sure it was suitable for the whole family." Jake Stern Jul 2018 #15
'The Waltons' was wholesome. And that has convinced a lot of people, including George H.W. Bush, Aristus Jul 2018 #25
I loved the Waltons Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #40
Listen: just let me stay on your lawn long enough to give you some answers, okay? mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #20
I think the OP is wondering why these type of shows aren't made anymore. onlyadream Jul 2018 #22
Thank you Jake Stern Jul 2018 #30
We do. It's called youtube and you choose which acts you want to see. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #27
I heard that Neil Patrick Harris volstork Jul 2018 #28
I believe it already came and went TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #33
Read a biography of Ed Sullivan Freddie Jul 2018 #29
Interesting! red dog 1 Jul 2018 #34
Times have changed... defacto7 Jul 2018 #32
I miss The Steve Allen Show red dog 1 Jul 2018 #35
One of my favorites was Red Skelton. llmart Jul 2018 #37
My favorite Red Skelton character was Freddy the Freeloader (a bum) red dog 1 Jul 2018 #39
Speaking of Ed Sullivan, red dog 1 Jul 2018 #36
Those old variety shows were the only thing on. And everybody watched it. Snellius Jul 2018 #38
check out the honeymooners....LOL Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #41
You should have seen The Johnny Cash Show last night. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #42

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
4. Stop watching shows like that.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:37 PM
Jul 2018

In fact, when i look at most things that are "popular" on tv, i see how we ended up with dipshit as *president.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
11. Isn't that the truth!
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:33 PM
Jul 2018

With the exception of MSNBC, some CNN, PBS, Nat Geo, science channel & a few sporting events*, my household does not watch ANYthing else.


John Fante

(3,479 posts)
5. Competition makes for compelling drama. It's the reason why
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jul 2018

spectator sports remain so enduringly popular. No one knows the outcome, not even the participants.

Does anyone think "American Idol" would have become a ratings giant if they just showed random strangers singing cover tunes? Like it or not, the competition aspects makes these shows.

Besides, late night talk shows pretty much grabbed the baton from Ed Sullivan, and we have tons of them now. Opening monologue, comedy skits, interviews, a stand-up performance, a musical act. Thank you, goodnight.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
8. One of my guilty pleasures is watching reruns of Lawrence Welk and Ed Sullivan on PBS.
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:09 PM
Jul 2018

Watching artists perform, not because they're trying to win a million dollars or a recording contract, but because they want to entertain.

I do agree with the idea that late night has largely taken over for the variety show.


Aristus

(66,316 posts)
13. Yeah, but for Lawrence Welk's music to be entertaining, don't you have to be, like,
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:35 AM
Jul 2018

eighty-five years old?...

Rhiannon12866

(205,220 posts)
16. I used to watch Lawrence Welk with my grandmother
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:07 AM
Jul 2018

I just loved The Lennon Sisters! There was even a series of books where they had adventures - I had those too! Good memories...


MissMillie

(38,550 posts)
18. my folks watched this every week
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:28 PM
Jul 2018

they let us watch pretty much whatever we wanted any other time, but when LW was on, we watched it.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
19. Was told it was my grandmother's favorite show
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jul 2018

so much so that when Welk came on whatever you were watching went off!

Floyd R. Turbo

(26,546 posts)
9. Influenced a generation. First time I saw Presley, Beatles, the Stones. Loved Stiller and Meara
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:25 PM
Jul 2018

hated the French clowns!

Eddie, kissa me goodnight!

msongs

(67,395 posts)
10. families dont watch tv together anymore. used to be all 4 of us watching the same
Wed Jul 25, 2018, 09:15 PM
Jul 2018

things together at home much of the time, thus variety shows appealing to a variety of family members.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
12. Something for everyone on Ed Sullivan's Show.
Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jul 2018

It ran from the sublime to the ridiculous. Roberta Peters followed by the guy spinning plates. But it was always entertaining and Sullivan made sure it was suitable for the whole family. If you don’t like the current act, hold on tight, something different will be up in 5 minutes. Topo Gigio, the Little Italian Mouse.

Gotta love it!

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
15. "and Sullivan made sure it was suitable for the whole family."
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:05 AM
Jul 2018

That is a big part of it. Not ashamed to say my partner, our son and I watch The Waltons, a show I'd never even dreamed of watching before I became a parent.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
25. 'The Waltons' was wholesome. And that has convinced a lot of people, including George H.W. Bush,
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:54 PM
Jul 2018

that it was an icon of conservative entertainment. The truth is, Earl Hamner, Jr. and many of the cast of the show, including Ralph Waite and Will Geer, were liberal activists.

I loved the show, and those opening credits with that elegiac trumpet melody...

Grasswire2

(13,568 posts)
40. I loved the Waltons
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jul 2018

And I think the show could be instructional for a people whose living standard is still diminishing. Thrift to the extreme. A cooperative family. And yet they were so rich, in enduring ways. Goodnight, Grandpa.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
20. Listen: just let me stay on your lawn long enough to give you some answers, okay?
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jul 2018

Do you get over-the-air TV? You know, TV the way G*d intended it to be? I do. Even if you don't, you probably have Netflix or Hulu available.

Those old variety shows are out there. If the weather's right, I can get channel 13.2 in Baltimore, which is Decades. (I am in northern Virginia. Due to some quirk, TV stations in Baltimore are easier to get than TV stations in DC.) Decades shows reruns of Ed Sullivan.

Decades
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Programming

See also: List of programs broadcast by Decades

Decades relies primarily on programming from the extensive content library owned by CBS Television Distribution, which includes the pre-2006 Paramount Television library – which CBS had acquired as a result of absorbing Paramount's syndication unit in 2006 through its split from Viacom into a separate company – along with series from Desilu Productions, Bing Crosby Productions, Don Fedderson Productions, QM Productions, Spelling Television and Republic Pictures Television. Decades also carries series and movies from NBCUniversal, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Lionsgate, Sonar Entertainment, the Peter Rodgers Organization, Shout! Factory, The Carsey-Werner Company and the public domain.

In order to stand out from other "retro-TV" multicast services (such as MeTV and Antenna TV), the Monday through Friday schedule initially featured a block of programming based on a daily theme, with interstitials to highlight the theme. Each six-hour block of programming was repeated four times a day and typically included a feature film, episodes of theme related TV programs, and biographical programs featuring celebrities, actors and actresses, musicians, athletes, and public figures of interest. The theme blocks were bookended with Through the Decades, an hour-long program hosted and narrated by Bill Kurtis (who formerly served as an anchor for Chicago CBS O&O WBBM-TV and CBS News) that explores the events and news from a particular day or period in history, using archival footage that CBS owns via services such as CBS News and CBS Television Distribution's syndicated newsmagazine program Entertainment Tonight.

The network's Saturday and Sunday schedule features "binge" blocks of classic television series. Beginning on Saturday at 1:00 p.m. (ET), forty-two consecutive hours are devoted to a particular series, which is usually sourced from either the CBS Television Distribution library of shows or a show Weigel Broadcasting has a contract to carry (such as one of the shows it broadcasts on MeTV).

Airings of The Dick Cavett Show were added to the schedule February 1, 2016 within the daily themed block, as appropriate. Episodes from Cavett's late-night ABC talk show from 1969 to 1974 as well as his later interview series on PBS, USA, and CNBC were all made available for airing.

On November 1, 2016, a major change was made to the programming lineup, with the daily programming block reduced to two airings daily (one from mid-morning to mid-afternoon, the other in overnight) as the 2:00 p.m. to midnight (ET) time period was converted to a "daily binge" with a different show airing each day. During the month of November, a different "cop show" was aired each weekday; in December, sitcoms were featured, and in January 2017, shows that aired in 1957, 1967, 1977, 1987 and 1997 were featured.

A further shift in direction from the original channel concept came on December 5, 2016, when the network added two daily airings of the NBC series Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, the first breaking the daily binge in half at 6:00 p.m. (ET) and the same show repeating at the conclusion of the binge time block. The themed block was also modified to include a daily airing of The Dick Cavett Show at the starting point of each day's block.

On January 2, 2017, the weekday schedule was further altered by the addition of back-to-back airings of two episodes of Ripley's Believe it or Not! at 5:00 p.m. (ET); it is followed by two separate episodes of Laugh-In at 6:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m., Through The Decades at 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. (but without the associated themed programming), and a different episode of The Dick Cavett Show from the one in the themed block airing at 8:00 p.m. The "daily binge" then resumes at 11:00 p.m. until the daily themed block replay at 2:00 a.m.

The weekend "binge" schedule remained unchanged through the late-2016/early-2017 weekday changes.

As of 2018, Decades began airing a collection of series that had lapsed into the public domain: The Great Gildersleeve, Topper, The Bob Cummings Show, Life with Elizabeth, The Loretta Young Show and Annie Oakley.

Check to see if you can get it on your television gadget thingy too.

"elfin," in post #7, mentions Carol Burnett. I've seen that not too long ago on one of the OTA (over-the-air) networks (MeTV, Antenna TV, something like that).

HTH

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
22. I think the OP is wondering why these type of shows aren't made anymore.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jul 2018

With a modern flare.

It’s true that the late night shows do this, in a way, but there’s nothing on prime time that is wholesome, good natured fun. Someone has to be voted out, or people have to conspire to stay on. What does this say about our culture? Even worse, we elected a reality TV star, who turned the white House into its own reality show! What have we become?

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
30. Thank you
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:44 PM
Jul 2018

Reality TV culture has got us a reality TV president.

It also produced an attitude where if you ask for wholesome/family friendly/kid friendly entertainment people instantly peg you as a conservative religious nutjob.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
29. Read a biography of Ed Sullivan
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:01 PM
Jul 2018

Fascinating life. Started his career as a sportswriter.
Towards the end of the show he had real trouble finding entertainment "for everyone" or at least acts that would appeal to young people and not offend the oldsters. His favorite rock group was the Dave Clark Five because they were so clean-cut.
The show was his life, and he died only a year or two after it was cancelled by CBS.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
35. I miss The Steve Allen Show
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jul 2018

The one he did in the 1960s, five days a week, from The Vine Street Playhouse.
He would have bizarre guests like Brother Theodore & Gypsy Boots.....Great show!

(I also miss The Dick Cavett Show, and The Gong Show)

llmart

(15,536 posts)
37. One of my favorites was Red Skelton.
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:45 PM
Jul 2018

He could make me laugh just looking at his silly faces.

"Hey, Gertrude."

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
36. Speaking of Ed Sullivan,
Fri Jul 27, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018

the Wikipedia article on him is very good.

It's a fairly long article, but well-worth reading if you have the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sullivan

Ed Sullivan was quick to take offense if he felt that he had been crossed, and he could hold a grudge for a long time
As he told biographer Gerald Nachman: "I'm a pop-off. I flare up, then I go around apologizing."

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
42. You should have seen The Johnny Cash Show last night.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jul 2018
The Johnny Cash Show (TV series)

The Johnny Cash Show is an American television music variety show hosted by Johnny Cash. The Screen Gems 58-episode series ran from June 7, 1969 to March 31, 1971 on ABC; it was taped at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tennessee. The show reached No. 17 in the Nielsen ratings in 1970.

History
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The show was canceled in 1971 in response to the Prime Time Access Rule, which eliminated a half-hour of network prime time programming from all of the major networks' nightly schedules. Cash's show was one of many that had strong rural followings that were canceled across the networks in what came to be known as the "rural purge."
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List of episodes
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{snip, but you owe it to yourself to see who he had on as guests.}

GetTV runs the episodes. I didn't watch it, but Neil Diamond was on, performing "Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show." This was Episode 19, form the first season:

THE JOHNNY CASH SHOW — 10 CAN’T MISS EPISODES ON GETTV
by getTV Staff
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4. Season One, Episode 19 — July 29 10pm ET

Originally broadcast on February 11, 1970, this episode opens with Johnny’s “I Got Stripes.” Tammy Wynette sings “I’ll See Him Through” and the hit that made her a star two years earlier, “Stand By Your Man.” Johnny is joined by Neil Diamond for a medley poking fun at Neil’s Brooklyn roots and then Diamond does a barn-burning rendition of his hit “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.” Blues legend Ray Charles performs “I Can’t Stop Loving You” and “Take These Chains” and duets with Johnny on “Busted.” Johnny performs “Rock Island Line” and “Flesh And Blood,” the Statlers sing “One Song Away,” and the ensemble closes the show with “Roll In My Sweet Baby’s Arms.”

1970s Episode Guide for 'The Johnny Cash Show':
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