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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsYour mother's signature dish? Mine was chicken and dumplings. It was
disgusting. I gag thinking about it!
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)and I've never had it again since leaving home... and wouldn't want to.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)you will grow to hate it, trust me.
miss-nasty
(251 posts)it's been many years - throw a plate of sliced tomatoes, green onions and a glass of sweet tea on the table and that's my mamas too.
Delmette2.0
(4,165 posts)My brother on the other hand would make a cold bean soup sandwich the next day.
hedda_foil
(16,374 posts)Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)Amazingly, I loved them both
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)dem in texas
(2,674 posts)My grandmother used to make them. She had a long pantry with shelves along the wall, that is where she put all vegetables she canned. When I would visit, I would get a jar of pickled beets from her pantry. What a memory, I loved seeing all those jars of veggies on the shelves and then got to eat pickled beets.
Back to the present - Buckee's has the best pickled beets.
GP6971
(31,159 posts)w/o onions. Like shoe leather.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)chillfactor
(7,576 posts)mine never tastes like shoe leather...... .it is tender and mouth-watering.
MissMillie
(38,559 posts)The trick to keep it from getting tough is to not over-cook it. No more than a minute maybe two in a HOT pan, then take it out and start on the onions and gravy.
True Dough
(17,305 posts)Mom was a great cook. Sweet and sour meatballs. Homemade beans and sweet rolls. Stew. Pineapple chicken. And she would bake a million tasty things, especially around Christmas.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)Loved it. Until the day I got to cut up the chicken. Seeing the raw chicken up close turned my stomach. Never liked it again.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)we always had a house full of hungry teens to attest to her skill.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I haven't had any of hers for many years, as she died when I was young. I can approximate the recipe, though.
Her mother made bacon perfectly, to my taste.
My stepmother rarely cooked from scratch, but I developed a taste for several things she prepared, including macaroni with deviled ham, and what she calls "chicken broth soup:" chicken broth with dumplings floating in it. I'd guess most people would find these rather uninspired but I still like it.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Glamrock
(11,801 posts)She ruined me on sweets too. She used to do wedding cakes. Super talented. Water fountains, staircases, fondant. Amazing. But there was always scrap cake from cutting the top off to level it. And, I was drafted into apprentice icing maker. I dont even eat cookies nowadays.....
janterry
(4,429 posts)basically cabbage and noodles! My mother made a version with sauerkraut and noodles - though (she was following a Czech. version)
(it's my comfort food. I add tofu or chickpeas
I'm so thoroughly ruint, this Irishman wont even eat corned beef and cabbage.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)sauerkraut and dumplings. I still love it.
janterry
(4,429 posts)Still a favorite (though I make a slightly healthier version
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,804 posts)And all of her children AND grandchildren know how to make them.
Yummmmm!
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Coventina
(27,120 posts)There's a local chain here that specializes in them.
I love their tofu chicken one!!!
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Coventina
(27,120 posts)Actually, it had nothing to do with my mother's cooking.
I just don't believe in eating our cousins on the tree of life.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Glorfindel
(9,729 posts)and inventive with it. I guess my very favorite dish of hers would have to be lemon meringue pie.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)Ground beef with pork and beans combined.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)WhiteTara
(29,715 posts)since I've been an adult. It was a pretty standard fare at our house. Mother worked and if you cooked you didn't have to wash dishes and if you worked out side you didn't have to do house work. I cooked and gardened and took care of the chickens and cows. I hate dishes and I'm in the throes of cleaning right now.
madaboutharry
(40,211 posts)Seriously, just awful. I dont know how I survived childhood. She put ketchup on spaghetti.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)DUgosh
(3,056 posts)She hated to cook, or clean.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Hand Mashed potatoes.
Fabulous. Have never found any other pot roast to match the flavor!
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)She made pastry crusts that looked like a Crisco commercial, tender and flaky - and the fillings she put in them were wonderful whether pies or Cornish pasties. Her fried chicken was scrumptious, not greasy, with a coating of just flour, pepper, and seasoned salt. Her liver and onions were tender and tasty. (For the first time since 1972 I recently found a place that cooks beef liver and onions like Mom used to make - I will have to go back to that little diner for another batch soon!)
The only things she was weak on were vegetables. Her salads were hunks of iceberg lettuce with dressing - when money was tight the dressing was just vinegar, oil and seasoned salt. Her cooked vegetables were most often just heated up canned vegetables so they were always soft and mushy.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)Her dressing. None come close to it. Not even a little. Not even mine and I use her recipe.
Same can be said for her fried corn, coleslaw, and potato salad.
Truly, everything she cooked.
She could make biscuits without making a mess. Not any stray flour anywhere. Seriously - no mess.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We always had a vegetable garden so even the vegetable dishes were great. She like to experiment with gourmet items and we were pretty adventurous eaters. Even though she was a total WASP, she learned how to cook Italian food from my father's mother and was pretty good at that too.
Luckily we were very active and athletic as children so it didn't put the pounds on.
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)My Mom's mom wasn't a very good cook.
I enjoy learning new recipes and new ways of preparing food. My eejit has been my willing guinea pig for a long time now.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)We got some delicious Italian food out of it instead of WASPy boiled dinners and bland casseroles. The food on the WASP side of the family was so depressing. It wasn't inedible, just bland and boring as hell. I'm so glad my mother was willing to learn how to cook Italian food. She actually did a pretty good job of it.
All of us kids are really good Italian cooks as well. When we went to visit my grandmother and spinster aunt who lived with her they would just spend the day around the kitchen table cooking and we just picked it up by watching. We haven't perfected it, but we have come very close!
Solly Mack
(90,767 posts)and learn to prepare a meal. Both day trips and overnights.
I also took German cooking classes.
I did OK. I did do well in sauces. Too much like making southern style cream gravy not to be good at it.
I took what I learned and practiced at home.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)We ate a lot of bread and butter to avoid her burned biscuits and undercooked chicken covered in lumpy, greasy gravy.
To survive, my sister and I started cooking when we got old enough, we liked potato soup. My little brother could fry perfect sunny side up eggs, and my dad made little fried apple pies that were delirious.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)TomSlick
(11,098 posts)Don't tell Mom, but Herself does it better.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)One was ravioli with homemade pasta and a filling for the ravioli that would bring tears to your eyes. Of course, the meat sauce was scratch made and cooked for hours.
Later in my life at home (before I got married at 20) she got a recipe for jambalaya from a New Orleans cookbook. It was a favorite and much requested dish. It had sausage, ham and shrimp in it plus a combo of spices to rival Colonel Sanders. It took hours to make and served with garlic bread was a feast. My husband is allergic to shellfish so she always pulled his portion out and didnt add the shrimp until his part was safely pulled out. It was still divine without the shrimp...or so he said.
Ohiogal
(31,999 posts)and she never baked anything, either. Maybe that's why I learned at a young age how to make food that actually tasted good.
She did bring me tea and toast when I was sick in bed. That was very comforting....
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)But her fried chicken was to die for
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I still love that stuff.
sorcrow
(418 posts)There's little agreement on what constitutes Brunswick stew. It differs by region and family. My mom made it when we had enough collected meat leftovers in the freezer, beef and pork required, maybe chicken, game if we had it, venison or squirrel. I started young being the grinder of meat while Mom assembled the stew. Other ingredients included tomatoes, corn, Tabasco sauce, onions, some kind of barbecue spices. No two times were exactly the same, but they weren't that different either.
Mmmmmmm.
Regards,
Crow
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I thought it was chicken so I ate it.
Spent the decade sure that my brain was getting eaten away.
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)In Macon it was Finchers
kimbutgar
(21,148 posts)Every Saturday, my uncle and his kids,old friends, Grandpa sometimes. People would just drop in on Saturday, my old boyfriend said hed miss those beans when I broke up with him!
dawg day
(7,947 posts)We liked it!
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)TlalocW
(15,382 posts)Roast beef with baby carrots and potatoes. Cooked so there was no pink and just a slight outer crust but still juicy.
The one I didn't like - they were call porcupine balls. Basically her meatloaf (which I also didn't like) shaped into meatballs and rolled in rice.
Apparently Mom was the envy of several of my friends' mothers as she always made great stuff for bake sales, etc. My best friend's mom even told me that the bulk store-bought cinnamon rolls that all the wrestling team's moms had to cook all came out pretty much the same except for her, which were somehow bigger and fluffier.
TlalocW
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)but I'm a pretty good cook too.
As a kid, it was a different story. My Dad was in college and we didn't have much money so deer meat all the time. When he graduated and she quit work (eventually) she became a great cook.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)in a big baking dish (You can use a dutch oven if you have one, or just a big pan if you don't have anything else, just not too tall) put a tiny bit of anchovy paste at the bottom (about an inch or two squeeze) with some butter (a stick or half a stick, don't need much, just to keep the potatoes and onions from sticking to the bottom until the juices come). add sliced potatoes and onions. Almost as many onions as potatoes. Fill it up, the will shrink some as they cook. Place a rack on the top of the baking dish (I use the rack I use for cooling cookies as it is well supported all around by the baking dish. Place a leg of lamb on top of the rack. Lamb should be prepared by stabbing small pockets into the fat/skin into which you put slivers of garlic (cut a clove in half lengthwise or quarters if its a big clove) and a couple of thyme leaves or rosemary or whatever you have. Bake as you would for a leg of lamb the size you bought (google it "how long do I bake a 3.4 lb leg of lamb" . The fat and juices from the lamb drip onto the potatoes and onions (with the garlic and herbs) to make the most amazing potatoes you have ever eaten.
Oh yeah, and you eat the lamb too.
It honestly could not be easier. The anchovy paste which you can skip if you don't have any, just adds some flavor you can't even tell it is anchovey. I think I use it because Mom did. Oh, and salt and pepper the potatoes and the lamb itself.
Yum.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Basically you cook it at a very low temperature (250, maybe) for hours and hours until you can literally cut it with a spoon.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... I'll have to consult the recipe to see if it's covered for part of the cooking. Will get back to you.
mainer
(12,022 posts)This sounds wonderful.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I suppose if the lamb looks to be getting too browned you could cover it with a bit to tin foil. Be sure you pick a pan that is not very tall so it can fit in the oven with a lamb on top of the pan.
mainer
(12,022 posts)I've got just the roasting pan.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)but if its like mine, which has a rack that is curved and hits the bottom of the pan, you want a flat rack so there is room for the potatoes beneath the lamb.
flying_wahini
(6,594 posts)My husband loves lamb and mine is always so bland.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)and I love the name "crying lamb".
I found a recipe online that said 6 potatoes to 4 onions. Mom just said "almost as many onions as potatoes. to alternating layers but you don't have to be very fancy.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)I was a little puzzled by "a stick or half a stick" <of butter> combined with "don't need too much." I figure a half a stick of butter is a LOT. I used two T of butter and two T of canola oil and one inch of anchovy paste.
I couldn't figure out how the anchovy paste would contribute to the whole if it just sat in the bottom of the pan, so I melted the butter and mixed it with paste and then tossed the potatoes and onions in the oil before putting in the oven.
It was SPECTACULAR!!!
Thanks to you and your mom.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)Both of my Irish grandmothers were wonderful people but not great cooks. I love to cook and people seem to enjoy what I make. I can't make gumbo or jambalaya though. I have tried a couple of times and it is always a disaster.
pansypoo53219
(20,977 posts)signatures. maternal, she made great pork roasts & gravy, otherwise bland. paternal, i can only get close to her stroganoff + spaghetti sauce. i improved her chicken wings w/ BBq sauce. i added onion + bell pepper + some other things. i got her cooking genes.
only remember mom using a newspaper recipe using pork + apples. i will never ever ever be able to mix them again. pork sausage patties were dubbed hockey pucks.
zanana1
(6,121 posts)And I'm talking about French Canadian meat pie. All meat; hamburg and ground pork with spices. YUM!
LisaM
(27,811 posts)I've made that ...... very tasty. I have my great-great grandmother's pasty recipe from the UP, a different kind of meat pie, but very yummy.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Dad never had any trouble getting neighbor men to help with haying, because they knew Mom's dinner would be spectacular. She never failed them.
Lindsay
(3,276 posts)My friends' families called it macaroni and beef, but my mother called it slumgullion.
Ground beef browned with chopped onion and celery, added to cooked macaroni, all of it mixed with tomato sauce.
Easy to make, economical (at the time), and genuine comfort food.
I rarely eat meat any more, but about once a winter I get a taste for it still.
yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)pretty amazing home made vegetable soup.
d_r
(6,907 posts)with big fluffy noodles or little flat noodles?
or
Tikki
(14,557 posts)was the best tasting apple pie, ever.
She also canned jam she made from wild berries we collected along
the Columbia each August.
A single Mom and two children. Most of the time we slept outside the car along the road so
we could get up with the sun and keep picking.
She had a quota and we didnt leave until it was met.
And, oh, that jam was grand.
Tikki
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Her's was damn good! She openly admitted to not being a great cook (My Grandmother's fault, after losing two other babies shortly after birth my Grandmother didn't give my Mom much kitchen work for fear she would get burned). She must have gotten the meatloaf by osmosis though because It was awesome! (And I still try to emulate it). I am grateful every day to have a little sister to make me expendable enough to get to learn to cook! My Grandmother could cook anything! I could probably gain 10 lbs just remembering her pies.
librechik
(30,674 posts)mommy was a hella cook!
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Chili and beef stew
Polly Hennessey
(6,797 posts)Spaghetti with Meat Sauce
Tacos
Meatloaf
Pot Roast on Sunday with Mashed Potatoes
Chocolate Cake
Lemon Meringue Pie
Peanut Butter or Chocolate Chip cookies after school
I loved my moms cooking
Laffy Kat
(16,379 posts)It was good. I used to make it from time to time, although I've pretty much given up eating beef these days.
Mosby
(16,311 posts)The borscht she made was hot, with small chunks of stew meat in it.
The chicken soup was made from scratch, no broth.
becca da bakkah
(426 posts)....better than she really deserved. Her best dish was Southern fried chicken, and always cooked in a cast iron skillet. For company dinners she pulled out her Steak and Mushroom Gravy recipe. Which she thought was a treat, but I hated. Tough steak with the life pounded out of it, then cooked for a couple of hours in slimy Campbell's Mushroom soup. I think she found it in a magazine.
Mom was also an ignorant cook. She didn't know much about fresh vegetables. It all came from a can for her. I'd never heard of broccoli, asparagus, zucchini, eggplant,etc, until after I left home and was married.
Her typical dinner menu was always some kind of meat fried and dredged in flour. Open a can of vegetables...usually corn, lima beans, (yuck!) green beans, or peas. Then potatoes either fried or mashed. We never had salads growing up. Her cooking was adequate, she was OK at what she knew, but just what she had to do to get by. My sibs and I had to learn how to cook, just to survive!
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... just happens to be sitting next to my computer. The first recipes are from my childhood. Salmon cakes (with saltines and egg, favorites with children and grandchildren), roast beef hash, cole slaw, green beans southern style (cooked all day with bacon), fried chicken, liver and onions, potato salad, potato pancakes, sloppy joes, wilted lettoces.... Oh well, there are as many again. I'll stop now. I had a very tasty childhood.
yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)She also made an amazing Welsh Rarebit and this cheesey casserole thing with hard boiled eggs in it that was divine with country ham.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)Italian spaghetti with garlic toast, but she never cooked or baked anything that wasn't good.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Dough balls w spagetti sauce on them (and meat).
seaglass
(8,171 posts)RandySF
(58,835 posts)ploppy
(2,162 posts)Any kind of pie. My favorite was peach. She also made pizza from scratch and it was delicious.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)IMO, her lasagna is the best I've ever had. Her rice custard is a close second. Don't bother trying to get recipes, she learned from her mother and grandmother to add ingredients "until it was right". She is getting to the age that she is not the primary cook at holidays, but you can bet she will be in the kitchen directing traffic.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)macaroni, American cheese, and sometimes to much milk.
Hotler
(11,421 posts)stuffed cabbage rolls and the other was apple dumplings.
I miss you mom.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)but my faves were:
- Goulash (not the real Hungarian kind. The kind that was ground beef, noodles, and chili beans)
- Lasagna (pretty good for a Welsh-American lady from Scranton)
- Tuna casserole with potato chips on top
- Keema (her version was ground beef, onions, peas, curry powder all topped with shredded coconut)
- Ground beef and rice casserole with cream of whatever soup - Around here in Minnesota, casserole is "hotdish" and that particular type is called "dog-food hotdish" we never called it that because my parents aren't from Minnesota.
mnhtnbb
(31,389 posts)about making homemade vegetable soup that she served to my father before we kids were born. He took one taste and said it tasted like dishwater. She picked up the bowl of soup and poured it in the kitchen sink. He asked her why did she do that? Her response: that's where dishwater belongs.
I never actually witnessed that humor related to her (lack of) cooking skills growing up. She used to make my brother and me eat horrible, tough, gross, liver that she would serve to us when our father was gone on his bowling nights. It was awful. And I can remember many nights being forced to sit in front of a plate of cold, mushy, tasteless peas being told I couldn't leave the table until I'd eaten them.
Her cooking was awful. So awful I can't call out any one particular dish.
Needless to say I was a skinny kid growing up. I didn't discover good food until I left for college at UCLA and began to go out to dinner with friends and dates. I was blown away by how good ordinary food--nothing fancy--could taste.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)hurl
(938 posts)Dad was in the food business, so cooking was never one of Mom's strengths. But her peanut brittle was consistently the best of all I ever tried.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)The version my mom made was pretty good. And I really loved her fried chicken. She stopped making it, because it was too much work.
One dish they made which I could not stand was stewed okra. My dad loved it, so it was prepared often. Ugh. (My family was in the Deep South)
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)her dough was amazing
if she could give me a recipe, I would love to make it but she was always add enough...work it enough...and I never learned how.
MissMillie
(38,559 posts)and none of that ketchup crap on top. Brown/mushroom gravy w/ mashed potatoes.
My dad was known for his homemade baked beans and his stuffed cabbage.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)Her day to day cooking was pretty good, but she was a supreme candy maker.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)She made great King Ranch Casserole ( a kind of layered chicken enchiladas). Here beans, chili and beef enchiladas we're good. But she also made this horrible casserole with noodles, cream of mushroom soup and potted meat!!
blur256
(979 posts)If you have ever been to southwest Missouri you will know what I'm talking about. It originated there. It is basically homemade chicken nuggets with an oyster sauce covered in cashews served over rice. It became so popular that at one point in time Springfield, MO, had more Chinese restaurants per capita than any other city in the country. And my mom got the original recipe and I swear hers was better than that. I remember growing up that she would make huge batches of it during the summer and freeze all of the chicken so we would have it for later. My brother and I would eat the nuggets with mac and cheese days on end and never got sick of it. I make a gluten free version these days for my wife and she loves it too!
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)She also made excellent fried chicken and meatloaf. She was a good cook.
onethatcares
(16,168 posts)saved the best pictures from Readers Digest for our Sunday meal.
You just brought back the best memories!!!
Snellius
(6,881 posts)onethatcares
(16,168 posts)I never saw you at the table.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)onethatcares
(16,168 posts)the possibilities there were endless.
Bet you never went to bed hungary!!!!!
Snellius
(6,881 posts)Sorry, grumpy librarians are fussy about these things. And spell check has no clue. But it's forgiven. I made the same error once. When I was a young man. And it was in a love letter. Hand written. So sincere. So embarrassed.
Sears Catalog was wonderful. Furnished the whole world. But we couldn't afford toilet paper either, so it didn't last long.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Snellius
(6,881 posts)She made up for it with her oatmeal cookies with chocolate chips and walnuts, though.
NotASurfer
(2,150 posts)EXCEPT mom never mastered brownies. Her one Achilles heel. Box mix or scratch, improvised or to the letter on ingredients and instructions, didn't matter. They came out crunchy. They came out rubbery. They came out with big clumps of dry flour suspended in them. They came out soupy.
She finally quit trying and went with store-bought megachain grocery brownies. Tremendously better!
C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)Lord knows what leftovers went into it, or how old they were... but it was a good time to head over to a friend's house to see what they were serving
KT2000
(20,577 posts)marinated overnight and barbecued anytime of year - even in the snow.
SallyHemmings
(1,821 posts)The two worlds should never meet. I dont eat steak to this day.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)Freddie
(9,265 posts)Her Mac & cheese was the best - very simple - sharp cheddar in a white sauce (milk, butter, flour) topped with buttered bread crumbs. Just salt and a dash of pepper. I make it the same way and my son always asks for it when hes home.
However Mom was Pennsylvania Dutch and they cook all meat WELL done. A comment above about bone-dry pot roast brought back memories (thats what gravy is for!). I still prefer meat that way but I try to use slow-cooking methods that dont dry it out.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)We were a two income family, so our life was pretty comfortable. My mom could not cook at all. The kids each had a night to cook and clean dishes. There were 4 of us so mon- thurs were covered with things like hamburger, hot dogs, baked beans, Mac-n-cheese, an occasional pork chop in an electric skillet, hamburger helper, sloppy joe, tuna helper..... not really great food but filling comfort food of the 70s - 80s. Friday was fish sticks or fish cakes, Saturday was something on the grill in the summer or often pizza in the winter and on Sunday, my mother would cook her world famously awful Chicken al la King.
It was terrible, made with skim milk, runny and nasty over either egg noodles or rice. I still wince at the thought of gagging it down. We would pray for Sunday meals at our grandparents or aunts and uncles houses, none of them would come to us as once exposed to the al la King, they were too smart to fall for it a second time.
We grew up in a traditional New England two family and for a while we had family living down stairs. My aunt did not work, her husband did but she could cook. She taught us to cook, but when my uncle got a job on the other side of the city they moved to the south shore.
Snellius
(6,881 posts)Can't wait for the next one. Maybe something about favorite alien abduction or something.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)We also ate round steak thrown in a hot frying pan for a few minutes. Sort of tough, but we had good teeth.
She was good with fresh green beans, though. Boil briefly, salt and serve.
I never ate rice or pizza until college.