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Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
1. There should be a simulation that shows...
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:25 PM
Sep 2018

... what sunrise and sunset would look like to the residents of a planar planet. Pretty sure it would look different than what we observe.

By the way, do flat-earthers think we're all in the same side of a flat planet, or do they think "the eastern hemisphere" is on the flip side?

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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
12. Sunset and sunrise according to Flat-Earthers:
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

According to Flat-Earthers, the sun does not sink behind the horizon or come up from behind the horizon. They think that the Sun moves into the distance and shrinks until it's so far away that you can no longer see it.

Now you say: "Wait a minute! The Sun doesn't shrink during sunset or sunrise!"

Flat-Earthers have an elegant solution for this: Pretending that you never said that. Not kidding. Anything that would disprove their arguments gets simply ignored by Flat-Earthers and as soon as that pesky critic (YOU) is gone, they go right back to touting their disproven talking-point, pretending that it never was disproven.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
15. Wtf? Then how does it get back to the sunrise point?
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 01:15 AM
Sep 2018

I thought even flat-earthers assumed that the sun traveled along the underside of the earth, unseen, to get back to its starting point.

Wait: do they even believe that the flat earth floats in space?

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cos dem

(903 posts)
5. There you go again with your "facts" and your "evidence".
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:32 PM
Sep 2018

If you call a friend in, say, Australia and they tell you it's night, while it's day in the US, then clearly you're talking to an elaborate AI computer run by the CIA programmed to emulate your friend, to hide the fact that the world is flat.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. Oh boy, I've got stories to tell about Flat-Earthers.
Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:54 PM
Sep 2018

1.
First off, there are two rivalling factions of Flat-Earthers.
Faction One believes that there is a world-wide conspiracy to cover up any evidence anywhere and anytime that Earth is flat.
Faction Two believes that this is ridiculous nonsense. There really is a world-wide conspiracy to fake space-travel and moon-landings.

2.
Some Flat-Earthers are bat-shit crazy. Literally. They are so deep into their esoteric alternative reality that they should be sent to a mental asylum. I have personally talked to time-travellers, people living in the Matrix and people who want to change reality by believing really, really hard.

3.
Most Flat-Earthers tackle scientific questions despite not having any scientific education. Their argument is basically that if they don't understand it, or if an observation is other than what they expect it to be, it must be fake. For example: Those photos of other planets don't look like photos of planet Earth? Must be fake.

4.
In a scientific debate, Flat-Earthers reserve the right to ad hoc be arbiters on which of your evidence is real and which of your evidence is fake. (Any evidence hinting that Earth is spherical is fake.)

5.
The tiniest minority of Flat-Earthers DOES have a scientific education. However... Flat-Earthers do not believe in the scientific method. The scientific method works by grading theoretical models against each other. The model that fits the experimental observation best is allowed to stay, the other one gets thrown into the dustbin.
That means, the scientific method could mercilessly prove that Flat-Earth is incorrect, which must not be allowed to happen.

In order to prevent the scientific method from disproving Flat-Earth, Flat-Earthers use the zetetic method. In this method, you don't compare models. You make one measurement and from this you come to one conclusion.
(This is mathematical bollocks. You cannot go from a subset of information to a statement that has a 100% certainty to be true. It's basic statistical math. You cannot do that. If you want to make a statement that has 100% certainty to be true, you need all of the possible information there is relating to the situation. ALL OF IT.)




And concerning your picture: According to Flat-Earthers, the Sun has a lampshade. Not kidding.

MissMillie

(38,562 posts)
17. Question: Just what, according to the flat-earthers...
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 07:09 AM
Sep 2018

is the motivation of the sphere-earthers in promoting/perpetrating the sphere-earth conspiracy (at the expense of more money than anyone could even begin to imagine, much less count)?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
18. Something something something controlling the population.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 07:55 AM
Sep 2018

Covering up that Earth is flat somehow gives this conpsiracy control over the population.

They don't know either. They also marvel why somebody would do that.

Flat-Eartherism looks like a religion to me: They love to talk about their favorite theoretical Flat-Earth-models. Anything goes, as long as it's flat. But once you start asking questions about the details and practical observation, they get all uptight.

Similar to religion, it's not about proving that Earth is flat.
It's about keeping the POSSIBILITY of Flat Earth alive.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
16. The flat earth is more complex than the real one
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 04:31 AM
Sep 2018

This shit gets weird so follow along.

The earth is a disc. The North Pole is at its center. The continents are laid out very much like they are on the UN's logo. Although all flat earthers despise the UN, they take its logo as proof the earth is really flat.

Around the edge of the disc-shaped earth is an ice wall 150 feet high. It is guarded by millions of soldiers from every country, whose mission is to kill anyone who gets too close to the ice wall.

At the very edge of the earth, you will find the glass dome that covers the earth. It is several thousand miles to its peak.

The sun and the moon are mounted to a track 3000 miles above the surface of the earth, and they're only 32 miles in diameter. They're mounted on the track 180 degrees apart, and they project light down in a cone shape. There's a mechanism on the sun that allows it to warm the part of the earth that's in summer and cool the part that's in winter.

There is a third object up there that floats between the earth and one of the two other objects when an eclipse is needed. This was sent by the devil to test us.

Satellites are actually radio broadcasting towers. They are very firmly on the surface of the earth.

The entire space program is CGI. If a real rocket were to launch, it would collide with the dome, be pulverized into a billion pieces, and never be seen again.

And flat earthers believe they're the smartest people in the world.

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