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irisblue

(32,980 posts)
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:07 PM Jun 2019

War and war impact movies you think every one should see

:::On going list for me:::

: my sequence has no particularly important meaning, and it has & will shift:

1-Schindler's List
2-Grave Of The Fireflies
3-Thin Red Line
4 A&B-Flags of Our Fathers& Letters from Iwo Jima, these 2 are companion pieces IMO& really should be seen together
4-Saving Private Ryan
5-The Boy In Striped Pajamas.
6-Stallingrad


Add your suggestions.



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War and war impact movies you think every one should see (Original Post) irisblue Jun 2019 OP
Glory, Cold Mountain, Galipoli dameatball Jun 2019 #1
Apocalypse Now trev Jun 2019 #2
full metal jacket. mopinko Jun 2019 #19
I liked only the first half of that movie. trev Jun 2019 #23
Deer Hunter IcyPeas Jun 2019 #31
I think this could be considered war impact: AJT Jun 2019 #3
Yes! Duppers Jun 2019 #22
Great Movie. I met Dith Pran and Haing Ngor grantcart Jun 2019 #99
What a great experience. Yes, his murder was a tragedy. AJT Jun 2019 #104
Johnny Got His Gun, Summertree Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2019 #4
Yup Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #122
A Matter of Life and Death (AKA Stairway to Heaven) 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #5
Breaker Morant... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #6
My Detroit area family watched that as a movie of the week in the 70s irisblue Jun 2019 #7
Agree. One of the best. OregonBlue Jun 2019 #28
The Breaker's last couple of lines Harker Jun 2019 #33
Kevin Reynold's 'The Beast Of War'. Aristus Jun 2019 #8
They changed the name of that one. Codeine Jun 2019 #11
It depends on the format, which in turn depended on where each cut was released. Aristus Jun 2019 #18
Paths of Glory sl8 Jun 2019 #9
I just rewatched that one on Criterion Channel. Codeine Jun 2019 #12
My favorite Kubrick film. Harker Jun 2019 #35
Extraordinary film. Flawless. VOX Jun 2019 #52
Tim Carey Harker Jun 2019 #54
All quiet on the western front.. 1930 mitch96 Jun 2019 #10
Yes. One of the best. cwydro Jun 2019 #57
You beat me to it! Coventina Jun 2019 #61
The last scene just knocked me out.. nt mitch96 Jun 2019 #67
Catch 22. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #13
Just watched Catch-22 the other night. trev Jun 2019 #24
I cannot see anyone but Alan Arkin as Yossarian. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #47
One of my all time faves. Great screenplay by Buck Henry underpants Jun 2019 #76
I had forgotten the Buck Henry bit.... dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #90
Have to look that up underpants Jun 2019 #92
I read CATCH-22 in 1966-67... pangaia Jun 2019 #131
I read Catch-22 in Vietnam in 1967. Laughed so hard I annoyed those in the vicinity. Glorfindel Jun 2019 #136
Can't imagine a more surreal place to read that book. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #139
You're right...sometimes I think my life was designed by Salvador Dali Glorfindel Jun 2019 #140
My brother went in '68. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #141
I'm sure that's true. I was there from Dec 66 to Dec 67. Glorfindel Jun 2019 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #14
The Best Years of Our Lives diva77 Jun 2019 #15
Yes. All time classic. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #32
For the aftermath of war, it is a powerful movie! No other came closer to show FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #108
WOW!!! What an inspiration Harold Russell was (is) and how amazing that you got to meet him!! diva77 Jun 2019 #121
In the mid 80s, I attended a WH Conference on the Handicapped appalachiablue Jun 2019 #143
Harold was on my father's board. Maybe it FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #149
Yes, the invitation I received was from the Pres. Committee. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #159
Wow, you dad was listed KIA but returned okay? That must have been a shock! My FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #160
I was looking to see if anyone listed this one. CanonRay Jun 2019 #155
Pink Floyd: The Wall Doc_Technical Jun 2019 #16
Good one - Roger Waters' father died in WWII. The movie is partially autobiographical in that sense kysrsoze Jun 2019 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2019 #17
Not movies, but of good series... The Figment Jun 2019 #20
Thanks for the recommendation. I didn't know Battle 360: War in the Pacific existed Glorfindel Jun 2019 #138
Let me at least give a mention to "A Bridge too Far" Ron Obvious Jun 2019 #21
Haven't seen the movie...thnx for rec. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #48
The Devil's Birthday Mopar151 Jun 2019 #96
And from a British viewpoint trev Jun 2019 #25
PLATOON..... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #26
"Platoon", "The Boys In Company C", "Hamburger Hill"... ADX Jun 2019 #27
The Boys in Company C OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #142
Coming Home. OregonBlue Jun 2019 #29
YES!!!! dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #49
Mee too. Great anti-war movie. OregonBlue Jun 2019 #62
"The Americanization of Emily" "Born on the Fouth of July" Va Lefty Jun 2019 #30
Go Tell the Spartans Adsos Letter Jun 2019 #34
I'll second that one captain queeg Jun 2019 #103
The Big Red One sarge43 Jun 2019 #36
The Patriot, Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger, only one I know which is sad. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #112
'Indian Wars' sarge43 Jun 2019 #114
I can't stand Mel Gibson. :)))) pangaia Jun 2019 #132
Yeah, same. I almost noted that, but here it's a given! Mel, appalachiablue Jun 2019 #137
twelve o'clock high and the blue max. nt NCjack Jun 2019 #37
The Blue Max is a great look at the class system Harker Jun 2019 #42
Gregory Peck's "Pretend you're already dead" speech in "Twelve O'Clock High." Paladin Jun 2019 #45
Reminds of a story from my uncle, who was an army paratrooper in WWII. He was a NCjack Jun 2019 #55
Great story. You need to see "The Cold Blue" documentary, now on HBO. Paladin Jun 2019 #59
Twelve O'Clock High is shown in military leadership schools. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #46
Letters from Iwo Jima. Texasgal Jun 2019 #38
That movie irisblue Jun 2019 #39
Although considered lightweight entertainment...War Games. Lars39 Jun 2019 #40
There is another movie called The War Game. nocoincidences Jun 2019 #126
Thanks for the recommendation! Lars39 Jun 2019 #128
You're welcome. nocoincidences Jun 2019 #130
War Horse Shrek Jun 2019 #41
The Train. Harker Jun 2019 #43
The Burmese Harp... Harker Jun 2019 #44
Paths of Glory, Dr Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket. edbermac Jun 2019 #50
The Killing Fields applegrove Jun 2019 #51
Sidney Lumet's "The Hill," although you MUST use captioning, as the Brit-slang is thick & fast. VOX Jun 2019 #53
Das Boot. cwydro Jun 2019 #56
Behind the scenes fun-fact: Aristus Jun 2019 #64
Probably easier that way. For the comedy "Norseman" each speaking scene was filmed twice... hunter Jun 2019 #66
Interesting. cwydro Jun 2019 #69
Me too. I like to practice my German by watching without the subtitles. Aristus Jun 2019 #70
Ha! I remember that! cwydro Jun 2019 #71
I think so too. hunter Jun 2019 #68
"The Island on Bird Street". Obscure little gem of a movie bif Jun 2019 #58
All Quiet on the Western Front. Coventina Jun 2019 #60
Awesome book and movies CanonRay Jun 2019 #156
Reprise: Glory and Gettysburg... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #63
Couldn't keep watching Fireflies... uriel1972 Jun 2019 #65
The Longest Day. MicaelS Jun 2019 #72
Shoah, Night and Fog .. kwassa Jun 2019 #73
Yes, I agree, "Night and Fog" see post #107 for more information on this film. Stuart G Jun 2019 #109
Gallipoli and Dunkirk shenmue Jun 2019 #74
Stalag 17 Mendocino Jun 2019 #75
Das Boot. California_Republic Jun 2019 #77
'Facism in Europe' - vintage Rick Steves 1.5 hour special. Understated, empedocles Jun 2019 #78
He has talked about this on his radio broadcasts as well irisblue Jun 2019 #79
That video readily available PBS, etc. empedocles Jun 2019 #81
Johnny Got His Gun. Sneederbunk Jun 2019 #80
Slaughterhouse 5, The Zookeeper's Wife, Divided We Fall and The Hurt Locker. Plot details: kysrsoze Jun 2019 #82
Finally, somebody mentioned SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE... pangaia Jun 2019 #133
Almost forgot - American Sniper. I watched thinking it would be too much war glorification. It was kysrsoze Jun 2019 #84
I didn't watch it, thinking that it was at least glorifying Chris Kyle. Aristus Jun 2019 #161
The Dawn Patrol cachukis Jun 2019 #85
Sergeant York.... quickesst Jun 2019 #86
Paths of Glory (nt) Recursion Jun 2019 #87
Dunkirk SunSeeker Jun 2019 #88
Two more recent ones shadowmayor Jun 2019 #89
Slaughterhouse Five BillyBobBrilliant Jun 2019 #91
So many movies on War. Makes you wonder why we never learn. flying_wahini Jun 2019 #93
Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb masmdu Jun 2019 #94
Greatest movie satire, evah! Martin Eden Jun 2019 #117
Defiance (2008) IMDB: 7.2/10 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2019 #95
Come and see Lokilooney Jun 2019 #97
The Victors 1963 spike jones Jun 2019 #98
Bridge Over the River Kwai... NeoGreen Jun 2019 #100
The Red Badge of Courage El Supremo Jun 2019 #101
Life is Beautiful Mersky Jun 2019 #102
Wag the Dog steventh Jun 2019 #105
More, some with the civilian side, appalachiablue Jun 2019 #106
Night and Fog, 32 minutes- Documentary on Nazi Concentration Camps. Stuart G Jun 2019 #107
Your post caused me to watch it. Sixty-four years later and still unbelievable. NNadir Jun 2019 #153
Thank You for watching .."Night and Fog" It is unbelievable..but, and most people won't believe Stuart G Jun 2019 #154
Oh, I know. Bosnia was no picnic either. I think though, that the holocaust is notable... NNadir Jun 2019 #157
Yes, you are correct: African Americans and Native Americans. Stuart G Jun 2019 #158
Last of the Mohicans Mendocino Jun 2019 #110
More appalachiablue Jun 2019 #111
Grave of the Fireflies Liberalhammer Jun 2019 #113
It took me 3 days and a box of kleenex to watch it. irisblue Jun 2019 #115
Born on the fourth of July Oppaloopa Jun 2019 #116
The Enemy Below whistler162 Jun 2019 #118
Fury - Brad Pitt, Shia LeBeouf, WWII tank crew drama Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #119
I was a tank crewman in the Gulf in 1991. Aristus Jun 2019 #162
thanks for your service Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #163
Well, we disliked each other before we were deployed to the Gulf. Aristus Jun 2019 #164
i can't even pee if a guy's in the adjacent urinal Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #165
Charlotte Gray and Little Big Man. nt littlemissmartypants Jun 2019 #120
I saw a South Korean film a couple of years ago on Netflix krispos42 Jun 2019 #123
Zulu. Michael Caine's first film. maveric Jun 2019 #124
I saw several in my "Film and War" class. BigmanPigman Jun 2019 #125
Threads and Testament nocoincidences Jun 2019 #127
Soldier Blue nocoincidences Jun 2019 #129
Go find some real WWI footage..... Historic NY Jun 2019 #134
The greatest anti-war movie ever SCantiGOP Jun 2019 #135
Love it shenmue Jun 2019 #167
Born on the Fourth of July; Rome, Open City; Empire of the Sun OrwellwasRight Jun 2019 #144
King of Hearts Thunderbeast Jun 2019 #145
Ken Burns PBS series on WWII dem in texas Jun 2019 #146
Everyone should know the horrors of WWII (especially Soviets, 26,000,000 killed) Stuart G Jun 2019 #151
Lots of good references yesphan Jun 2019 #147
The Anderson Platoon ..best documentary, won oscar, 1967, Stuart G Jun 2019 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author JDC Jun 2019 #152
Charlie Wilson's War loyalsister Jun 2019 #166

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
19. full metal jacket.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:33 AM
Jun 2019

remember seeing it about the time my son was a chubby, clumsy, grumpy adolescent. i swore right there he would join the military over my dead body.

trev

(1,480 posts)
23. I liked only the first half of that movie.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:02 PM
Jun 2019

Once it left basic training, I felt it slowed down too much and became cumbersome.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
99. Great Movie. I met Dith Pran and Haing Ngor
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jun 2019

Actually enfed up with some quality one on one time with Dr. Nor waiting out a 3 hour monsoon blast in a hotel bar in Bangkok. His murder made me very sad.

irisblue

(32,980 posts)
7. My Detroit area family watched that as a movie of the week in the 70s
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)

His remaining family post his execution was much gossiped about.
Also, first time I saw Martin Sheen act.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
8. Kevin Reynold's 'The Beast Of War'.
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jun 2019

From 1988. Includes a performance by Stephen Baldwin before he became a religious whackadoodle.

Russian tankers get lost in a blind valley in Afghanistan in 1981, and have to deal with vengeful Mujahedeen. Filmed in Israel using captured Soviet-made tanks and equipment, it was a way of getting a good, up-close look at Soviet-made tanks in the years before YouTube made them pretty much ubiquitous.

The Mujahedeen are played mostly by Israeli actors, although the leader is portrayed by American Steven Bauer. The Russians are all played by Americans. The film received some criticism at the time for having their ostensibly Russian characters speaking in American accents. But I think that just punches up the fact that soldiers are soldiers, regardless of where they come from. It was for the best that the actors didn't use comical, James Bond-villain style Russian accents.

An excellent little film that leaves the viewer thinking: who are the bad guys here?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
11. They changed the name of that one.
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jun 2019

When I saw it it was just “The Beast”, and I clicked this thread to recommend it. So good.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
18. It depends on the format, which in turn depended on where each cut was released.
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jun 2019

The VHS I used to own just titled it "The Beast".

When I got it on DVD, it was "The Beast Of War".

I'm looking at maybe getting it on Blu-Ray, just to see if it has any extras; director's commentary, making-of documentary, etc. But I'm curious to know what title it has.

sl8

(13,787 posts)
9. Paths of Glory
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jun 2019

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paths_of_Glory

Paths of Glory is a 1957 American anti-war film[2] directed by Stanley Kubrick, based on the eponymous novel by Humphrey Cobb.[3] Set during World War I, the film stars Kirk Douglas as Colonel Dax, the commanding officer of French soldiers who refuse to continue a suicidal attack, after which Dax attempts to defend them against a charge of cowardice in a court-martial.

[...]

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. I just rewatched that one on Criterion Channel.
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jun 2019

Hadn’t seen it in probably 25 years. Still infuriating.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
52. Extraordinary film. Flawless.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:23 AM
Jun 2019

Kubrick’s tightest work, frame for frame. Extraordinary performances all around.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
10. All quiet on the western front.. 1930
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jun 2019

The film follows a group of German schoolboys, talked into enlisting at the beginning of World War I by their jingoistic teacher. The story is told entirely through the experiences of the young German recruits and highlights the tragedy of war through the eyes of individuals.

This one got me.. One of the first anti war, war movies I saw as a kid.. Same shit over and over again.. Old people send young people to die in war.. Will we ever learn?

Free on youtube..



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Coventina

(27,121 posts)
61. You beat me to it!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jun 2019

That movie wrecked me.

Excellent, hearbreaking, not one you can see and put aside.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Catch 22.
Tue Jun 11, 2019, 09:42 PM
Jun 2019


read and saw the original movie. That and Dr. Strangelove are still 2 of the most important war films to me.

trev

(1,480 posts)
24. Just watched Catch-22 the other night.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jun 2019

Great movie, but I like the book better.

And yes, Strangelove is great too. But I really like Kubrick, so my opinion is biased.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
47. I cannot see anyone but Alan Arkin as Yossarian.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jun 2019

May have just the time period that I saw it in, tho I have watched it several times since.

But..yes...the book was a great read.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
76. One of my all time faves. Great screenplay by Buck Henry
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:15 AM
Jun 2019

A very difficult book to make into a movie. I watched it again not too long ago with my wife who’d never seen it. I realized it’s really a great commentary on modern office culture.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
90. I had forgotten the Buck Henry bit....
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jun 2019

excellent job.

I read a sort of memoir by alan arkin. He is extremely intelligent, turns out.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
136. I read Catch-22 in Vietnam in 1967. Laughed so hard I annoyed those in the vicinity.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:17 PM
Jun 2019

The first movie was a mild disappointment; I haven't seen the second one.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
140. You're right...sometimes I think my life was designed by Salvador Dali
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:53 PM
Jun 2019

On the way to Vietnam, I picked up the novel "Candy" at the San Francisco airport and giggled all the way across the Pacific. As the TWA 707 started unloading at Tan Sohn Nhut Airport in Saigon, "What's New Pussycat?" by Tom Jones was playing over the intercom. After that, things really got weird.

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FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
108. For the aftermath of war, it is a powerful movie! No other came closer to show
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:58 AM
Jun 2019

me what my parents (Greatest Generation) dealt with upon returning to 'normal life" after WWll.

And I got to meet and hang with Harold Russell -the hand-less actor who plays Homer in the film- at several disability conferences. What a great, funny guy he was!

diva77

(7,643 posts)
121. WOW!!! What an inspiration Harold Russell was (is) and how amazing that you got to meet him!!
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:46 PM
Jun 2019

Thanks for sharing your story!

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
143. In the mid 80s, I attended a WH Conference on the Handicapped
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:58 AM
Jun 2019

in DC, Harold Russell was a speaker, also Tony Coelho and Edward Kennedy Jr. A few seats above us in the audience was his father, Sen. Ted Kennedy who stood up to applause. Nice event, so glad I was able to go, (the boss almost didn't approve it) esp. to see Harold Russell; my parents were also in the greatest generation.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
149. Harold was on my father's board. Maybe it
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:10 PM
Jun 2019

was the Presidents Committee On Employment of People with Disabilities conference you attended? Thanks for that clip. Those few moments, Homer’s mother’s reaction to his missing hands... and the later scene in the bedroom with his girlfriend always get to me. That scene could have been my mother and father. (Dad was missing both arms) But luckily for me, and my four brothers, love prevailed over appearances.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
159. Yes, the invitation I received was from the Pres. Committee.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 12:25 PM
Jun 2019

At the time I was working at a small United Way agency for the visually impaired in Bethesda, Md. and with the National Eye Institue at nearby NIH. We assisted clients with age related eye conditions and other health issues- diabetes, MS, stroke, Aids, infections, etc.

I was delighted to be invited and to attend the conference, seeing these notables was so special. My dad was a WWII veteran, 7th Army, Rhineland Campaign and although he was listed KIA twice, he wasn't physically injured in combat.

I also love that scene of Homer and Wilma and her parents. Was your father in the disability field or a veteran?

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
160. Wow, you dad was listed KIA but returned okay? That must have been a shock! My
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jun 2019

father was an armless veteran who was asked by Pres Truman to form a group to help returning vets with employment, and re-entry into society. He also convened the committee that developed the first ANSI standards for accessiblity in late 1950's. Probably his proudest moment was opening the ceremony with President Bush for the signing of the ADA in July 1990 surrounded by hundreds of disability civil rights activists and Congressional leaders in the effort to pass the legislation. A splendid day!

kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
83. Good one - Roger Waters' father died in WWII. The movie is partially autobiographical in that sense
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jun 2019

He is vehemently anti-war.

Response to irisblue (Original post)

The Figment

(494 posts)
20. Not movies, but of good series...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jun 2019

Battle 360: War in the Pacific, follows the aircraft carrier Enterprise thru the war in the Pacific Theater in WW2.

Band of Brothers...no explanation necessary

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
138. Thanks for the recommendation. I didn't know Battle 360: War in the Pacific existed
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jun 2019

I'll have to try to find it. My mother's youngest brother was a junior officer on the Enterprise for (I think) the entirety of World War II. His older brother was also at the Battle of Midway (I don't remember which ship). My father, too, had two younger brothers serving in the Pacific during the war.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
21. Let me at least give a mention to "A Bridge too Far"
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:05 AM
Jun 2019

When that was shot, 1977 or so, I was living nearby Arnhem where the movie was being shot, so I feel I have a bit of a personal stake in this, I think. When the movie finally came out, it was lukewarmly received because the era of the all star cast war movie was kind of over, plus what with Vietnam and all, we were tired of the subject.

But I recently saw it again on Blueray and it's a much, much better movie than I remembered. It has a near-visceral impact in places and it treats everybody involved with respect instead of treating the Germans as cartoon monster bad guys. Shame it had to pander to Hollywood by adding in an American unit that wasn't actually involved in the whole thing but that's par for the course. I suppose I should be glad they didn't capture an Enigma machine while they were there.

Mopar151

(9,989 posts)
96. The Devil's Birthday
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 06:14 PM
Jun 2019

The battle for the bridges at Arnheim. Title of a book by a British historian, "Foreword by General Sir John Hackett"
A methodical and searing study in institutional hubris.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
26. PLATOON.....
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jun 2019

Oliver Stone's Masterpiece about an Army platoon in Vietnam.

This film was so iconic for me, Vietnam veterans I know could not see this one because it was too real for them.

Others from that era.....
The Deer Hunter
Boys in Company C
Full Metal Jacket


Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
34. Go Tell the Spartans
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jun 2019

Vietnam War

Burt Lancaster stars

Anti-war film set during the early years of U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
36. The Big Red One
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jun 2019

All Quiet on the Western Front

Apocalypse Now

12 O'Clock High

Gettysburg

Glory

The Lost Battalion (TV show. Available on YouTube)

Why hasn't there been a good film about the Revolutionary War?

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
112. The Patriot, Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger, only one I know which is sad.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jun 2019

The Last of the Mohicans (1992) Daniel Day Lewis, set in 1757 during the French and Indian War and based on the novel by James Fenimore Cooper.

The Alamo, 2004 Billy Bob Thornton; 1960 John Wayne.

'Indian Wars' movies? Spanish American War movies?

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
114. 'Indian Wars'
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jun 2019

Fort Apache?

Spanish American War - got nothing.

The Last of the Mohicans, tragically ignored film.

The Patriot, both sides deserved better

Harker

(14,024 posts)
42. The Blue Max is a great look at the class system
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jun 2019

It's sad watching Stachel unravel largely because of social pressures.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
55. Reminds of a story from my uncle, who was an army paratrooper in WWII. He was a
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:34 AM
Jun 2019

plain spoken truthful country boy of 18 from a farm in Oklahoma. With war almost over, his green battalion was in the air and half way to Norway to battle hardened Nazi troops. The colonel was in his plane, stood up, and gave a short speech. "Men, the way to get through this is -- think of yourself as already dead." Then, he turned to my uncle and and loudly said: "Private, do you think of yourself as already dead?" My uncle loudly replied: "No sir -- If I did, I wouldn't go." Next, a lucky break. The attack was cancelled and the planes returned to their base in France due to a "cease fire" order. Three days, the end of WWII was officially declared.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
59. Great story. You need to see "The Cold Blue" documentary, now on HBO.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:50 AM
Jun 2019

New footage of the 8th Air Force's WWII bombing raids in Europe, narrated by a few of the remaining 90-year-old veterans who took part in it. Very serious stuff.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
46. Twelve O'Clock High is shown in military leadership schools.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jun 2019

Twelve O'Clock High is shown in military leadership schools.

Great movie!

nocoincidences

(2,220 posts)
126. There is another movie called The War Game.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:11 PM
Jun 2019

It is decidedly NOT lightweight.

If you can find a copy to watch, do so. It will curl your hair.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
53. Sidney Lumet's "The Hill," although you MUST use captioning, as the Brit-slang is thick & fast.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:37 AM
Jun 2019

Still, a tense and sobering film. Some of Sean Connery’s best work.

“Paths of Glory,” mentioned many times upthread, and deservedly so.

An honorable-mention wild card: “Fury.” Has its fair share of cliches, but it’s nevertheless powerful and beautifully shot. I was surprised at how much it affected me. Brad Pitt underplays, and he’s excellent.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
64. Behind the scenes fun-fact:
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jun 2019

The main cast members of Das Boot all spoke fluent English, so when it came time to dub the film into English, each character dubbed his own role. That eliminated the sometimes incongruous voice-character match-ups that can ruin a dub-job.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
66. Probably easier that way. For the comedy "Norseman" each speaking scene was filmed twice...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jun 2019

...first in Norwegian, then in English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen_%28TV_series%29


 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
69. Interesting.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jun 2019

I remember thinking it was a good dub, but I still preferred the German version.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
70. Me too. I like to practice my German by watching without the subtitles.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:10 PM
Jun 2019

One of the reasons the dub is so good is that German and English have so many similarities. Not surprising, since the two languages have a common ancestor.

The English word 'headquarters' is very similar to the analogous German work 'hauptquartieren', and even have the same abbreviation, HQ. Things like this make it easier to match mouth movements when dubbing from one language to the other.

There's one especially jarring moment in the fim regarding language. During the drunken party that opens the film, the battle-fatigued sub commander Tomsen inexplicably bursts out into English for one line: "I'm in no condition to fuck!"

hunter

(38,317 posts)
68. I think so too.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:03 PM
Jun 2019

The author of the novel didn't think the movie's anti-war message hit hard enough.

But I think it was terrifyingly real too.

The men are trapped in a nightmarishly claustrophobic submarine, but they are also trapped in a bloody ideology of German nationalism, white supremacy, and antisemitism.

bif

(22,720 posts)
58. "The Island on Bird Street". Obscure little gem of a movie
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jun 2019

It's about a young Jewish kid who hides out in the Warsaw ghetto as it's being destroyed by the Germans. Incredible movie. Hard to find--I saw it a long time ago on Netflix. Well worth looking for.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
63. Reprise: Glory and Gettysburg...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019

Glory for the racial aspect treating the first large scale use of black troops in the US. The dynamic between Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman is award worthy.

Both for their treatment of Civil War combat. They fought differently back then.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
65. Couldn't keep watching Fireflies...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jun 2019

very brutal.

Saw parts of How Johnny got his gun in the Metallica filmclip... very brutal as well.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
78. 'Facism in Europe' - vintage Rick Steves 1.5 hour special. Understated,
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:24 AM
Jun 2019

clear concrete image examples, with a real 'felt' sense - of the development of facism in Italy and Germany in particular.

kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
82. Slaughterhouse 5, The Zookeeper's Wife, Divided We Fall and The Hurt Locker. Plot details:
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 11:05 AM
Jun 2019

Slaughterhouse Five - centers around the bombing of Dresden
The Zookeeper's Wife - couple helps Jews escape from Nazi imprisonment
Divided We Fall - a Czech couple hide their Jewish friend from Nazis. The husband is a Nazi collaborator, but hates Nazis and only does so to feed his wife and child.
the Hurt Locker - experiences of a U.S. explosives ordnance disposal team during the Iraq War.

kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
84. Almost forgot - American Sniper. I watched thinking it would be too much war glorification. It was
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jun 2019

much the opposite, IMO.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
161. I didn't watch it, thinking that it was at least glorifying Chris Kyle.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jun 2019

Who was a murderous psychopath.

There's nothing noble about someone who enjoys killing innocent men, women, and children and wishes he could do it again.

cachukis

(2,246 posts)
85. The Dawn Patrol
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jun 2019

1938. Basil Rathbone, Erroll Flynn and David Niven. 1915 pilots lost in battle. Flynn becomes commander and learns of Rathbone's angst at losing his men.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
89. Two more recent ones
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jun 2019

In the Valley of Elah.

Green Zone.

Both show how splendidly the war in Iraq was for those of us who served.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
117. Greatest movie satire, evah!
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 06:46 PM
Jun 2019

And all too true for those of us who grew up in the era of Mutually Assured Destruction.

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
97. Come and see
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 06:58 PM
Jun 2019

Surprised no ones mentioned it, unique movie from the Soviet era. Although funded by the party they let the director have unprecedented control over it, and to this date it's one of the most brutal war movie ever made.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
101. The Red Badge of Courage
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jun 2019

It's not really anti-war. But the cinematography, direction, acting and Audie Murphy's performance are the best.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
102. Life is Beautiful
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:45 PM
Jun 2019

Saw it in the theater three times with different friends.

We all cried. Every. Single. Time.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
106. More, some with the civilian side,
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:45 AM
Jun 2019

Watch on the Rhine (1943), Bette Davis, Paul Lukas. A German, his American wife and children leave disrupted Europe in 1940 for America where they become involved in wartime intrigue. Based on Lillian Hellman's 1941 screenplay.

Casablanca, 1942, Humphrey Bogart, Ingrid Bergman, Paul Henri. Classic WWII drama and love story set in Vichy French Morocco.

The Stranger, 1946, suspense drama, Orson Welles first film noir, Loretta Young. A war crimes investigator traces a high ranking Nazi fugitive to a Conn. town just after the war.

The Sorrow and the Pity, 1969 documentary by Marcel Ophuls about the collaboration between the Vichy government and Nazis in France and the French Resistance. Interviews with a Nazi officer, collaborators and Resistance workers.

Tender Comrade, 1943, Ginger Rogers, Robert Ryan. Women at the homefront work and live communally while their husbands are at war.

The More the Merrier, 1943, Jean Arthur, Joel McCrea, Chas. Coburn. Comedy focusing on the wartime housing shortage in Washington, DC, George Stevens.

From Here to Eternity, 1953 Burt Lancaster, Montgomery Cliff, Donna Reed, personal drama among soldiers stationed in Hawaii just before the Pearl Harbor WII attack there.

Pearl Harbor, Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett, 2001. Romantic WWII period drama in Hawaii at the time of the 1941 Japanese attack.

Sophie's Choice, 1982, Meryl Streep, Kevin Kline, Set in Brooklyn, 1947 drama based around WWII Holocaust survivor, Sophie.

The Pianist, 2002 drama, Polish musician struggles and survives in the Warsaw Ghetto during WWII.

Tea with Mussolini, 1999, semi autobiographical film about a young boy (Franco Zeffirelli) growing up in fascist WWII Italy with a group of English and American women. Judi Dench, Joan Plowright, Cher.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
107. Night and Fog, 32 minutes- Documentary on Nazi Concentration Camps.
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 08:57 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Sat Jun 15, 2019, 10:15 PM - Edit history (4)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048434/

My review of this film at Internet Movie Data Base, (IMBD)

Night and Fog, 1956, 32 minutes

The Most Powerful Film Ever Made



If you want to describe or give your audience a feeling for the holocaust, or "Man's Inhumanity To Man", then this is the vehicle to use. Show it..be warned, it is so powerful, that you will never forget what you see, neither will any of your viewers. It is impossible to describe, intermixing l955 footage of Auschwitz Concentration Camp, with captured Nazi footage which the allies found at the end of the war, and the scenes of American and British troops liberating the camps...In French, with English subtitles.. and scenes that are unforgettable and horrific. Even the sad music of death from this film plays in my ears, and I have not seen it in 15 years. Once you hear it, you will know.

This is the one to show if you want people to understand the truth of what happened and the reason for its reaction in today's current events....It is shocking in a special way. I showed it to my classes. Students were warned, and told what was coming, they said it would be "nothing" By the end some were crying and moaning in horror...

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If you read the first 10 reviews of this film at the site above, you will see that there are a number of reviewers who say this is the most powerful film ever made. Also, the difficulty of watching this movie is repeated over and over in the reviews. It is available to buy or show...It is also most probably available at a public library near where you live. You have been warned. You will never forget this film. 32 minutes, 1956

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
153. Your post caused me to watch it. Sixty-four years later and still unbelievable.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:21 PM
Jun 2019

It brings home the horror of the fact that we are building concentration camps here, not extermination camps yet, of course, but a slippery slope is certainly underway.

That orange beast needs to rot in prison.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
154. Thank You for watching .."Night and Fog" It is unbelievable..but, and most people won't believe
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jun 2019

what I am going to say, that happened again in Cambodia in the mid 70s. The Cambodian Communists (Khmer Rouge ), killed more than 2,000,000 people while they were in power. Their leader was Pol Pot. According to someone I talked to today, (6/18/19, about 7 hours ago, ) those killing fields where that was carried out, have been left as they were with the stench and the bones of humans around. It was left that way as a reminder of what humans are capable of. An incredible memorial to those who were killed.

... When I showed "Night and Fog" ( from the mid 70s till 95) it was my belief that that kind of killing could never happen again. But it has happened again, and I was totally wrong. It is very sad. If anyone reads this, watch.. "Night and Fog ." Let us pass this to our children and our children's children so it never happens again. Never.!!!

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
157. Oh, I know. Bosnia was no picnic either. I think though, that the holocaust is notable...
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 09:06 PM
Jun 2019

...because it was industrialized and, irrespective of all the "I didn't know" claims, pretty much done openly.

In the DVD I watched, there was a 1994 interview with Resnais in which he described how the film was almost cut ten minutes by French censors since it showed a French policeman in Pithiviers rounding up Jews. He saved the ten minutes by editing the film to obscure the French policeman's hat.

I have no doubt that left unfettered, Trump could very well make it happen here again. All it takes is making racism seem "normal."

And it did happen here, with African Americans and Native Americans.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
158. Yes, you are correct: African Americans and Native Americans.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jun 2019

The murder of Native Americans was discussed in a book called, "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown. Most people in the U.S.A. do not know about the destruction of the Native Americans..actually, there were hundreds of groups of Native Americans that ranged from Maine, through Florida and the mid west, and in Texas and the West. The destruction of those people (Native American Nations) is one of the saddest and horrific stories in American History. Millions were killed. You are correct..This did happen here
.........and most people here do not know it. (and many people in the U.S.A. now could care less)..

I have to be totally honest. I tried to read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" but couldn't get halfway through. After the massacre at "Sand Creek" (about half way through the book) I just could not read any more.

Warning: If you read all at the link below, you may not sleep tonight. Yes it is horrific, and it happened here in the U.S.A. carried out by the U.S. Cavalry. And, yes it did happen!! When? November 29, 1864. Where?..in a place called ..."Colorado"
Of course you didn't know, no one tried to teach this to you. Not a positive reflection on United States History. again ..Warning: this is sad and horrific reading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre

Mendocino

(7,495 posts)
110. Last of the Mohicans
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:39 AM
Jun 2019

Mister Roberts

Thirty Seconds over Tokyo

The Steel Helmet

Northwest Passage

Eye of the Needle

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
111. More
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 09:50 AM
Jun 2019

- October, Ten Days That Shook the World (1928), Sergei Eisenstein. Soviet, silent celebratory and historical film about the October 1917 Revolution ten years after the event in Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October:_Ten_Days_That_Shook_the_World

- A Farewell to Arms (1932), Gary Cooper, Helen Hayes based on the Ernest Hemingway story. An American ambulance driver and a British nurse fall in love during the First World War in Europe.

- For Whom the Bell Tolls (1943) Gary Cooper, Ingrid Bergman. Based on the Ernest Hemingway novel of 1940. The story of an American adventurer allied with Republican guerilla forces during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. He falls in love and manages to carry out a dangerous mission to blow up a strategic bridge in Segovia in southern Spain.

- The Great Dictator, (1940) American political satire comedy-drama film written, directed, produced, scored by, and starring British comedian Charlie Chaplin, following the tradition of many of his other films. Chaplin's film advanced a stirring condemnation of Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, fascism, antisemitism, and the Nazis. At the time of its first release, the United States was still formally at peace with Nazi Germany. Chaplin plays both leading roles: a ruthless fascist dictator and a persecuted Jewish barber..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Dictator

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
119. Fury - Brad Pitt, Shia LeBeouf, WWII tank crew drama
Sat Jun 15, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019

edge of my seat combat scenes
horrors and heroism of war depicted well

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
162. I was a tank crewman in the Gulf in 1991.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jun 2019

And although my unit didn't serve in combat, one thing "Fury" got right was the constant bickering that goes on among tank crewmen.

A lot of war movies forward this idea that men in war are all brothers in arms who grow to love one another, even more so than with family. "Fury" shows that that isn't necessarily so, and I can confirm it. None of my crew of four liked each other very much. And when we weren't on duty, we pretty much went our own ways and did our own things.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
163. thanks for your service
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jun 2019

I doubt I would even survive Basic much less deployment to a hot zone.
but I can only imagine what a few days in a confined metal box in the desert heat with a few other guys will do to their temperament.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
164. Well, we disliked each other before we were deployed to the Gulf.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:14 PM
Jun 2019

So the circumstances didn't help.

But I was never claustrophobic, so the closed -in space didn't bother me.

A good thing, too. One of the tasks we had to accomplish during our five-day desert training exercise after we arrived was spend an entire day in the tank, buttoned up (all hatches closed). Test our endurance. That took a great deal of patience, as you may imagine.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
165. i can't even pee if a guy's in the adjacent urinal
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

If I was there they would have buried me in the sand after about 3 hours IMO

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
123. I saw a South Korean film a couple of years ago on Netflix
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:16 AM
Jun 2019

Called "The Northern Limit Line"

It's based on a true incident that happened a couple of decades ago between coastal patrol ships between the Koreas. Each side is patrolling the maritime border between their countries and protecting their fishing fleets.

The first half is the crew of a SK patrol boat getting up to speed with a new commander, I think. Then there's the incident.

I don't want to spoil anything, but I remember it being good.

Plus all the other films already mentioned.

nocoincidences

(2,220 posts)
127. Threads and Testament
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

Both very powerful depictions of a world after Nuclear War.

Also:

The Day After....similar to threads.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
134. Go find some real WWI footage.....
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jun 2019

its not for the squeamish. Our archives has some but there is plenty.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
135. The greatest anti-war movie ever
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jun 2019

By the same Australian who had a hit with Gallipoli, it is a movie about the Boer War called Breaker Morant.
It is a graphic, realistic portrayal of war and the patriotic motives of those who fight, but by the end it is a compelling indictment of war and the death penalty. It is based on a true story and the book that was written by one of the major characters in the movie.

Can’t recommend it enough. Google it for more info.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
146. Ken Burns PBS series on WWII
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:04 AM
Jun 2019

This series really spoke to me, maybe because I was a child during WWII and can remember the stars people put in their windows, neighbors who lost sons, a neighbor who was widow with a small child after her husband was killed. My uncle fought in the Battle of the Bulge and would not talk about it. When you watch this series, you see the bravery of our soldiers and the horrors they had to bear.

I get so mad when I see right wing nationalism on display now,, or worse, defended by our clueless president. That is what started WWII and there should be no place for this in our current society.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
151. Everyone should know the horrors of WWII (especially Soviets, 26,000,000 killed)
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jun 2019

Soviet Union lost how many?..26 million. What the Soviet Union went through is unbelievable. But that is war, and the horrors of war. I have not seen this series, but I know that Burns tells it objectively and honestly. I am sure that there is a lot about the Soviet losses during the war. Horrific in ways that are unbelievable .

read this article below:

Soviet Union Saved the World from Hitler:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/08/dont-forget-how-the-soviet-union-saved-the-world-from-hitler/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.541d11383b49..........................................................

"By one calculation, for every single American soldier killed fighting the Germans, 80 Soviet soldiers died doing the same"........................from this article:


from wikepedia:

The Soviet Union paid the harshest price: though the numbers are not exact, an estimated 26 million Soviet citizens died during World War II, including as many as 11 million soldiers.

yesphan

(1,588 posts)
147. Lots of good references
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:29 AM
Jun 2019

listed here. Two I didn't see listed are the HBO series The Pacific and the movie Enemy at the Gates. As my father served in the pacific on a destroyer and was at Guadalcanal, Savo Island and other battles, I watched with rapt attention. The combat scenes are intense and there are a lot of them.
Having been to Russia, I found Enemy at the Gates very interesting.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
150. The Anderson Platoon ..best documentary, won oscar, 1967,
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jun 2019

The director, a French veteran of the Indochina war (La 317e Section), returned to follow a platoon of American soldiers for six weeks at the height of fighting in Vietnam in 1966. The documentary discusses the background and fate of the soldiers and emphasizes how much American culture pervades the soldiers' behaviors in the midst of jungle life and fighting.......

Keep in mind, this is real war. Not something made up. A documentary, if you haven't seen it, watch it.

Response to irisblue (Original post)

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
166. Charlie Wilson's War
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:07 PM
Jun 2019

The behind the scenes financing and political maneuvering is where the most cynical calculations of whose lives matter and by how much originate.

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