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How To Ride A Motorcycle Very Fast (Original Post) sir pball Sep 2019 OP
I had to turn it of at 0:27. I couldn't take it anymore. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2019 #1
The real screwy part is that because of the demands of the course, sir pball Sep 2019 #6
About two weeks ago I averaged over twice that fast between Idaho and Wyoming Major Nikon Sep 2019 #19
I've always said riding a motorcycle makes you realize how fast 45mph actually is sir pball Sep 2019 #20
It feels faster the less protected you are from the relative wind Major Nikon Sep 2019 #22
Oh, you're no fun. sir pball Sep 2019 #24
But the engines are so tuned that they only last one race wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #28
Not the TT engines. sir pball Sep 2019 #29
I read that they can take a stock bike from the crate and fix it up for a race but that the engine wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #30
Maybe back in the day, but... sir pball Sep 2019 #31
F1 gets three now. Codeine Sep 2019 #32
Whew! Traveling at that speed, you'd have no time to react to anything. Arkansas Granny Sep 2019 #2
Nope. You're either perfect, or sir pball Sep 2019 #5
The risk factor seems insanely high: Disaffected Sep 2019 #14
It's one of the last real old-fashioned races in the world sir pball Sep 2019 #21
Amazing Disaffected Sep 2019 #23
That is absolutely not why they do it. sir pball Sep 2019 #25
There are something like 256 racing deaths in 112 years of racing at the Isle of Man. yonder Sep 2019 #3
The World's Fastest Death Cult sir pball Sep 2019 #4
I think it's the oldest running motorcycle race.. mitch96 Sep 2019 #7
I learned of it some 50 years ago as a budding new motorcyclist, and have wanted to go for years. yonder Sep 2019 #8
I started looking immediately after it wrapped up this year sir pball Sep 2019 #10
" I WILL get out there one day." mitch96 Sep 2019 #11
I'd like to do the entire two weeks or however long it is sir pball Sep 2019 #12
I was relieved when Guy Martin retired from the TT Races Niagara Sep 2019 #9
I adore him sir pball Sep 2019 #13
I agree Niagara Sep 2019 #17
A "shitpiss straight-talking truck mechanic" sir pball Sep 2019 #26
He was a mad man on a bike and I could not understand a word he said.... it was English to! mitch96 Sep 2019 #15
He's still a mad man on a bike Niagara Sep 2019 #18
Honda's first Isle of Man win 1961. Hotler Sep 2019 #16
The benefit of absolutely knowing the course kacekwl Sep 2019 #27

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
6. The real screwy part is that because of the demands of the course,
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:08 PM
Sep 2019

Outside of the slick racing tires, the bikes are almost identical to the ones we can buy in the showroom today. Add about $5000 in electronics and exhausts (on a $20K bike it's not that much) and you have a machine that can go that fast.

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
19. About two weeks ago I averaged over twice that fast between Idaho and Wyoming
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 09:40 AM
Sep 2019

At 17,000' MSL you get virtually no perception of speed other than the ground moving slowly beneath you.

I get a pretty good rush doing over 30mph on a bicycle. It's not really how fast you go, but how you go fast.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
20. I've always said riding a motorcycle makes you realize how fast 45mph actually is
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:30 PM
Sep 2019

I cycle too, but I try to stay under 20 - I feel naked going much faster without full leathers and a proper helmet...

Major Nikon

(36,818 posts)
22. It feels faster the less protected you are from the relative wind
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:09 PM
Sep 2019

I’ve flown some open cockpit planes that don’t do much more than 70mph, but it feels a helluva lot faster when you are getting bugs in your teeth.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
24. Oh, you're no fun.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019

That's very analytical and absolutely true, but at 3000' AGL it's just the wind and the bugs - to paraphrase you, lower is faster. On the ground you realize exactly how fast things are moving past you...at 100+ on a bike those lane lines are flicking by AWFULLY quick.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
29. Not the TT engines.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:56 PM
Sep 2019

They don't need to be high-revving Superbike-style motors; they're barely tuned up from stock. Exhaust and a race-mapped ECU. I mean, a stock S1000RR has 200hp, do they need much more?

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
30. I read that they can take a stock bike from the crate and fix it up for a race but that the engine
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:09 PM
Sep 2019

can only be used once. This was a Kawasaki bike.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
31. Maybe back in the day, but...
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:41 AM
Sep 2019

...nowadays almost every motorsport mandates engines that will last multiple races if not the whole season; MotoGP allows nine, F1 only gets 4 a year!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
32. F1 gets three now.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 02:59 PM
Sep 2019

Of course plenty of guys end up using more and taking penalties, but some cars actually manage to do all that racing and qualifying with the three.

Not that many years ago some teams used an engine for a single qualifying session and then it was finished.

Disaffected

(4,545 posts)
14. The risk factor seems insanely high:
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:25 PM
Sep 2019

Poorly controlled race course - what if a kid or animal suddenly darts across the road? Is a fall from a 180 MPH motorcycle ever non-fatal? And why are apparently much slower riders on the course with him?

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
21. It's one of the last real old-fashioned races in the world
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:39 PM
Sep 2019

The Isle folk have been doing this for a hundred years - kids and animals are restrained during the TT, and the spectators have less of a death wish than the racers so they stay off the course. That's never been a problem that I know of. The slower riders are because it's a time trial, riders start at intervals and race the clock. You'll pass slower people and be passed by faster people, it's the same etiquette as a track day but a bit harder to pay attention to since you're seeing the Red Mist.

And yes...of course a fall from a bike at 180 on a real road course is fatal. That's a big part of the allure of the TT - you either finish, or you die. It's completely insane, on the level of jumping out of a plane holding a parachute and hoping you can buckle in before you hit the ground. Borderline criminal recklessness.

I, as do most motorcyclists, love it and hope it never gets shut down.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
25. That is absolutely not why they do it.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:36 PM
Sep 2019

They aren't Instagram "influencers".

You don't get famous (have you heard of Guy Martin, Mike Hailwood, or Michael Dunlop?).

It's not for a rush. That excites and confuses you, then you get antsy and make a mistake, then you die. They have liquid helium in their veins.

They do it because it's there, and they simply feel a need to do it and survive. Like climbing a mountain, I guess.

yonder

(9,657 posts)
3. There are something like 256 racing deaths in 112 years of racing at the Isle of Man.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 04:58 PM
Sep 2019

High price to pay.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
4. The World's Fastest Death Cult
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:06 PM
Sep 2019

There is literally no other motorsport event where this level of death is acceptable (see F1 and IndyCar, 1 death a decade), and yet it happens year after year. It's a relic, but I hope it never goes away - "At a certain point, you stop being shocked by how many people have died here. The shock is how many are still alive."

https://jalopnik.com/the-worlds-fastest-death-cult-1713550981

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
7. I think it's the oldest running motorcycle race..
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:17 PM
Sep 2019

Some of these 200 mph Moto GP racers say the TT is nuts!!!
I'd love to go..... bucket list item...
m

yonder

(9,657 posts)
8. I learned of it some 50 years ago as a budding new motorcyclist, and have wanted to go for years.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:27 PM
Sep 2019

Chances of that happening decrease every year but one of these days....

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
10. I started looking immediately after it wrapped up this year
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 01:09 PM
Sep 2019

All accommodations for 2020 were already sold out, but nothing was open for 2021 yet. I keep checking, I WILL get out there one day.

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
11. " I WILL get out there one day."
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:10 PM
Sep 2019

Go for it!!! I guess you could not make it a day trip..... being an island in the Irish sea!
m

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
12. I'd like to do the entire two weeks or however long it is
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:23 PM
Sep 2019

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All the qualifying, public races, Mad Sunday...spend a fortnight snapping photos, risking life and limb on the edge of the course, and abusing my ears (and liver )

Niagara

(7,559 posts)
9. I was relieved when Guy Martin retired from the TT Races
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:47 PM
Sep 2019

The search for Guy Martin starts at about the 4:30 time stamp.


sir pball

(4,737 posts)
26. A "shitpiss straight-talking truck mechanic"
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

He actually had to argue for time off from his job for a few races.

Niagara

(7,559 posts)
18. He's still a mad man on a bike
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:33 PM
Sep 2019

He just doesn't race on that particular circuit anymore. That 2nd accident he had was frightening. I have a difficult time sometimes understanding what he's saying in his interviews, but he's always joking around and smiling.

kacekwl

(7,013 posts)
27. The benefit of absolutely knowing the course
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 05:52 PM
Sep 2019

and hopefully a pebble or stray leaf doesn't find it's way on one of the turns.

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