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Siwsan

(26,308 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:14 AM Oct 2019

The Queen being "inappropriate"

Backstory:

The Queen confessed that, since she was a young princess, she really wanted to strike a less than formal pose for an official photo but the royal advisors told her this would be 'inappropriate'. Well, I guess she figured she's 93, and the freaking QUEEN OF ENGLAND!!!! so if she wants to pose with her hands in her pockets, she jolly well will!

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The Queen being "inappropriate" (Original Post) Siwsan Oct 2019 OP
i love it...good for her. samnsara Oct 2019 #1
She still has that marvellous smile. Golden Raisin Oct 2019 #2
Love this! colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #3
Aww, poor Charlie. 3Hotdogs Oct 2019 #9
I don't think he really wants it PatSeg Oct 2019 #13
I suspect the plan is to bypass Charles and go directly to William and Kate. colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #18
The only way that could happen is if Parliament changes the 2015 succession law. sarge43 Oct 2019 #28
I agree PatSeg Oct 2019 #35
Charles can voluntarily op-out. sarge43 Oct 2019 #37
That's kind of what I figured PatSeg Oct 2019 #48
Sassy! nilram Oct 2019 #4
+1 Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #47
I'm the Queen, I'm a great-grandma, and I ain't got no more fucks to give! Ilsa Oct 2019 #5
Letting her true personality shine---!! northoftheborder Oct 2019 #6
My Mom is 95 and one thing she and the Queen have in common is ATTITUDE! You go girls- abqtommy Oct 2019 #7
Yup. Attitude: One of the few benefits about growing old. sarge43 Oct 2019 #11
Her Majesty, relaxing and being real. Hey, why not? calimary Oct 2019 #8
Fun Fact: The Queen has more military experience than Trump, his family and in-laws combined. OMGWTF Oct 2019 #14
True dat! colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #19
Yep! calimary Oct 2019 #22
Last head of state who's a WWII veteran. n/t sarge43 Oct 2019 #29
Definitely! Military service is a family duty. pandr32 Oct 2019 #30
Grandfather, father, husband, and two sons-navy. sarge43 Oct 2019 #31
She was never actually a mechanic, that was a publicity campaign after Germany was beaten braddy Oct 2019 #32
Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service pandr32 Oct 2019 #33
I'm not tarnishing anything, a royal did her publicity act in the last months of the war but braddy Oct 2019 #34
Military drivers learn basic auto mechanics as matter of course. sarge43 Oct 2019 #39
I did some driving in the Artillery and was a driving instructor for awhile, I don't recall any of braddy Oct 2019 #41
So you are 90+ years old and served in WWII! whistler162 Oct 2019 #42
Weird. braddy Oct 2019 #43
Oh hell, I'll ask sarge43 Oct 2019 #38
I got into this years ago, it is a very difficult research because the internet is saturated with braddy Oct 2019 #40
If she did as much as change one fucking spark plug in WW II... Dave Starsky Oct 2019 #45
All stolen valor stuff sucks. braddy Oct 2019 #46
think you got bad intel there. She did repair vehicles not traipse around the demigoddess Oct 2019 #52
No, she never did anything other than the propaganda photos, she came in as an officer being braddy Oct 2019 #53
in your dreams demigoddess Oct 2019 #58
Hold on to your fairy tale Princess stories of the WWII soldier/mechanic, the Monarchist depend on braddy Oct 2019 #59
Yeah. What can 'they' do about it? sarge43 Oct 2019 #10
I met the Queen when I was eight Soph0571 Oct 2019 #12
Wow! I stood right next to her, twice Siwsan Oct 2019 #15
Shes the queen dang nabbit. she can do anything she wants to AllaN01Bear Oct 2019 #16
That's letting your hair down bucolic_frolic Oct 2019 #17
That picture also makes her look healthy and vigorous! colorado_ufo Oct 2019 #21
I love her. I'll be sad when she's gone. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #20
I do like this photo! calimary Oct 2019 #23
Wonderful! pandr32 Oct 2019 #24
Gorgeous picture :) I'd love to see an official selfie.... mwooldri Oct 2019 #25
Rock it, Betty. Zoonart Oct 2019 #26
Looking good wryter2000 Oct 2019 #27
Now is the time to really let loose and put some color into your wardrobe Brother Buzz Oct 2019 #36
Her Majesty dresses in some of the brightest colors available yellowdogintexas Oct 2019 #44
Good for her MustLoveBeagles Oct 2019 #49
What's with the unibrow... is this a real photo? Talitha Oct 2019 #50
Yes, it's a real photo Siwsan Oct 2019 #56
Thanks for the info! Talitha Oct 2019 #57
While she has lived a life of great material privilege, it has been... 3catwoman3 Oct 2019 #51
The instant her uncle abdicated, she lost most control of her life Siwsan Oct 2019 #54
You go girl! nt zanana1 Oct 2019 #55

PatSeg

(47,649 posts)
13. I don't think he really wants it
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:37 AM
Oct 2019

He is a very busy man as Prince of Wales, doing a lot of good for people and the environment.

colorado_ufo

(5,738 posts)
18. I suspect the plan is to bypass Charles and go directly to William and Kate.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

Having one coronation instead of two would save the country an awful lot of money and would also bypass the issue of Camilla.

I agree that Charles is very content in his role and his life.

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
28. The only way that could happen is if Parliament changes the 2015 succession law.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:17 PM
Oct 2019

That isn't going to happen.

Yes, Charles may not want the job, but then neither did Queen Elizabeth. "Suck it up. At least you wouldn't be stuck with it for most of your life."

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
37. Charles can voluntarily op-out.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:45 PM
Oct 2019

Either by abdicating or leaving the Church of England. The monarch has to be CofE. Pretty drastic, but he could and the job would then fall to William.

As far the expense of a coronation much of it is theater, not necessary. Charles has hinted that he doesn't want his to be elaborate.

PatSeg

(47,649 posts)
48. That's kind of what I figured
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 10:01 PM
Oct 2019

but I wasn't sure.

I can see Charles not wanting an elaborate celebration if he didn't abdicate. I'm sure he's had enough pomp and circumstance.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
7. My Mom is 95 and one thing she and the Queen have in common is ATTITUDE! You go girls-
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

er-ladies! I saw the Queen in 1955 and we've both changed a lot since then.

calimary

(81,527 posts)
8. Her Majesty, relaxing and being real. Hey, why not?
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

She’s been literally a world class role model throughout her remarkable life. Her family has brought beaucoup bucks into her country (and to her subjects) by virtue of the fact that her family itself is a major tourist attraction.

God Save the Queen.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
30. Definitely! Military service is a family duty.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:22 PM
Oct 2019

The Queen until a few years ago still would fix her own jeep she used for driving around her property in. She learned those skills serving as a mechanic during WW2. She can handle a gun very well, too.
She has also shown she is no fool.
The Trump family is complete riff-raff and yet she suffers them--at least temporarily. I would love to be a fly on the wall when she mentions them in private.

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
31. Grandfather, father, husband, and two sons-navy.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:35 PM
Oct 2019

"I would love to be a fly on the wall when she mentions them in private."

I suspect she knows the vocabulary. Starts with "git" then goes down hill from there.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
32. She was never actually a mechanic, that was a publicity campaign after Germany was beaten
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:55 PM
Oct 2019

but just before the surrender. The Queen put on a transportation uniform for photos and went to some daytime mock training events close to home but she never actually worked as a truck driver and she spent every night in Windsor castle. You wouldn't want her working on your car, and she was not making deliveries around the country as a wartime truck driver.

It was all about imagery and you will have heck trying to get behind the same repeated basic short story of the myth, but that is how Monarchy and power works.

pandr32

(11,631 posts)
33. Women's Auxiliary Territorial Service
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:07 PM
Oct 2019

She had to beg her family to allow her to join up and she trained in London. Why would you want to try to tarnish her grit?

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
34. I'm not tarnishing anything, a royal did her publicity act in the last months of the war but
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:17 PM
Oct 2019

that is all it was, she was never actually serving in the military as a real worker or an actual mechanic, or truck driver (why would a mechanic be pulled from that highly skilled technical work to be a truck driver by the way). We don't need to pretend that the rich and powerful in some countries are pretend military officers, especially the monarchies.

Enjoy it for what it was.

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
39. Military drivers learn basic auto mechanics as matter of course.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:05 PM
Oct 2019

Why? The beast could break down in the middle of nowhere. Especially critical if you're piloting a loaded ambulance through a combat zone.

As for pretend, Her Maj's father was at the Battle of Jutland, the naval battle of WWI as a turret officer, not a plush duty. Husband was in several battles in the Pacific, saved one of his ship. Son Andrew was in Falkland's War.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
41. I did some driving in the Artillery and was a driving instructor for awhile, I don't recall any of
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:18 PM
Oct 2019

us being known as mechanics or having mechanic training, and as a "truck driver" do you think that she was actually driving trucks anywhere? If you ever dig into all this, you will see that her public appearances and her daily life were all under deep security photo op control, not driving trucks around.

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
38. Oh hell, I'll ask
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:49 PM
Oct 2019

Got a valid source for that?

Yes she did bunk at Windsor at her father's insistence, a compromise for letting her sign up.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
40. I got into this years ago, it is a very difficult research because the internet is saturated with
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:10 PM
Oct 2019

the same basic story over and over, and totally lacking depth and details, it all just the same feel good story.
It is interesting how deeply people want to believe that she was driving trucks, working on engines and just being one of the troops.

I'm not interested enough to go back and reconstruct all the old and internet buried sources, but if you spend a couple of hours attempting to dig into the actual story you will come to see how shallow the first layers of information are and realize that it will take effort to get behind the Wartime/Monarchy/England image package.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
45. If she did as much as change one fucking spark plug in WW II...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:53 PM
Oct 2019

Then she accomplished more manual labor and military service than the orange glob in the White House or any of his fetid family and in-laws.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
53. No, she never did anything other than the propaganda photos, she came in as an officer being
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:30 AM
Oct 2019

assigned as a transport officer at Camberley. The course was three weeks, she didn't associate with others there, ate lunch with the officers and then was returned to Windsor Castle every afternoon and reached the rank of Captain.

Before that at age 16, she was appointed Colonel of the Grenadier Guards, the training battalion of the Grenadiers was stationed at Windsor Castle during the war as a close protection force.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
59. Hold on to your fairy tale Princess stories of the WWII soldier/mechanic, the Monarchist depend on
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 02:18 PM
Oct 2019

people doing that kind of dreamy acceptance.

Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
12. I met the Queen when I was eight
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:32 AM
Oct 2019

She was visiting our town and made a beeline cause my twin and I were really cute dressed the same and all that
And I went to a tea party at Buckingham Palace a couple of years ago! She didn't remember me, alas

On that occasion.. I had a lovely view of her back


Siwsan

(26,308 posts)
15. Wow! I stood right next to her, twice
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 11:43 AM
Oct 2019

Once during the Silver Jubilee, as she did a 'walk about', heading to the Guildhall for a luncheon, and once when she came to Windsor, Ontario. I was just lucky enough to end up standing right at the barricades and she lingered, for a few seconds, smiling and waving.

She has the bluest eyes and most beautiful porcelain skin.

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
17. That's letting your hair down
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:00 PM
Oct 2019

It just proves you really should do some of the things you want to do before you're too old to enjoy it.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
25. Gorgeous picture :) I'd love to see an official selfie....
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:12 PM
Oct 2019

... with a smile kind of like that. I think that would be cool...

Brother Buzz

(36,479 posts)
36. Now is the time to really let loose and put some color into your wardrobe
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:59 PM
Oct 2019
When I Am Old.

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat that doesn't go, and doesn't suit me,
And I shall spend my pension
on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals,
and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired,
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells,
And run my stick along the public railings,
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens,
And learn to spit.
You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat,
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go,
Or only bread and pickle for a week,
And hoard pens and pencils and beer mats
and things in boxes.
But now we must have clothes that keep us dry,
And pay our rent and not swear in the street,
And set a good example for the children.
We will have friends to dinner and read the papers.
But maybe I ought to practise a little now?
So people who know me
are not too shocked and surprised,
When suddenly I am old
and start to wear purple!

Jenny Joseph

yellowdogintexas

(22,280 posts)
44. Her Majesty dresses in some of the brightest colors available
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:22 PM
Oct 2019

She has the perfect coloring to wear those tones and she is easy to pick out in a crowd

Talitha

(6,625 posts)
50. What's with the unibrow... is this a real photo?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 12:57 AM
Oct 2019

I can't imagine her posing in front of such a dull background, either.

Siwsan

(26,308 posts)
56. Yes, it's a real photo
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 09:57 AM
Oct 2019

The photographer wasn't expecting the kind of shoot he encountered. The Queen had decided to have some fun, and was pulling all sorts of 'model' poses. The Queen's "dresser", Angela Kelly, decided to keep and share this particular photo because it is so out of character for how the Queen usually poses. It's really more of a candid photo, probably not originally meant for release, but Angela was given permission to release it.

This, and other photos, are coming out because Angela has written an authorized book that full of photos and insights into her experience as someone incredibly close to, and trusted by, the Queen. It's said to be full of interesting, behind the scene, tidbits for those, like me, who follow the history of this monarch.

3catwoman3

(24,072 posts)
51. While she has lived a life of great material privilege, it has been...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 01:06 AM
Oct 2019

...at the price of personal freedom. Watch the PBS series The Crown if you want to see just how restricted her choices were.

This is a lovely picture (although I do wish she would wear neutral colored shoes).

Siwsan

(26,308 posts)
54. The instant her uncle abdicated, she lost most control of her life
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:33 AM
Oct 2019

Her mother was a stalwart of 'tradition'. I have immense respect for the Queen Mother. Her actions during the war went above and beyond. She was a steadying force for her husband, the nation, and a loving mother to her daughters. BUT, she was also very mired in an incredibly outdated mindset. How different Princess Margaret's life would likely have been, had she been allowed to marry Peter Townsend. And how much faster would the monarchy have been, to enter even the 20th Century. I even wonder how different Princess Diana's life would have been. The Queen Mother was born at the turn of the 19th to the 20th century, but was definitely raised with mid-19th century notions. It wasn't until after her death that the slow but sure changes and much more relaxed attitude of the Queen started to come forward. I've read a lot about her 'behind the scenes' real personality. It's nice to see some of it shining through to the public, at large.

And yes - the Queen's shoes! She does wear lighter ones at formal occasions but sure seems set on those black ones for every day. The article I read said that the woman who 'dresses' her wears the same size shoe, so she 'breaks in' the Queen's shoes, for her, so she will be comfortable.

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