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marble falls

(57,102 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 09:29 AM Apr 2020

How do we know what dinosaurs looked like?

How do we know what dinosaurs looked like?

Paleontologists pull inspiration from modern birds and reptiles to design true-to-life T. rexes.
Sara Chodosh
April 11, 2020

https://www.popsci.com/story/science/dinosaur-drawings-accuracte/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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You’ve seen enough museum models, illustrations, and CGI predators that you’d likely recognize a Tyrannosaurus rex if you saw one. But how can you be sure? Nobody has ever clapped eyes on one in real life, and even the best skeletons are often only 90 percent complete. Specialists called paleoartists do base their re-creations on hard evidence (bones, feathers, and bits of skin) but, just as often, well-informed guesses. We may never know exactly how T. rex and other prehistoric creatures like the Microraptor gui looked, but here’s how we landed on the current incarnations of these deceased beasts.
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Muscle and fat

Like reptiles, dinosaurs probably didn’t have much body fat, so they looked pretty swole. To determine just how stocky or svelte to render a species, paleontologists most often refer to the same muscle groups in birds. But sometimes there’s an evolutionary reason to make an area extra burly: A T. rex, for example, had to kill prey and bite through bone with only its jaw strength—hence its thick-neckedness.

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Limbs

Bones’ structures can indicate how appendages moved. T. rex, for one, used to be shown with its hands facing down, like it was playing a piano, but a 2018 analysis of turkey and alligator shoulders determined their palms may have turned in. Similarly, the angle between M. gui’s shoulder blades and rib cage may have prevented its wings from lifting high enough to flap; wind-tunnel tests suggest these dinos glided.

Skin

Soft tissue generally doesn’t last underground, but sometimes we get lucky. For the T. rex, a small slice of fossilized skin found in Montana enabled artists to make a stamp of the texture and apply it to the rest of the body. Coloring is trickier: Designers take cues from the environment more than the fossil record. T. rex lived in semi-marshy areas and flood plains, so it likely had brownish-greenish dappled skin to blend in.

Feathers

Tiny cellular structures called melanosomes vary in color depending on their shape: Black ones are sausage-like; reds are round. Thanks to a very well-preserved M. gui feather, we know it shone raven. Nanostructures also suggest it had an iridescent sheen, like a crow or magpie. We’ve never dug up a plumed T. rex, but its close relatives often have protofeathers on their heads, backs, and tails, so we suspect the king did, too.

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How do we know what dinosaurs looked like? (Original Post) marble falls Apr 2020 OP
Dinosaurs Have Changed So Much Since I Was A Kid, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #1
Well, sure. sl8 Apr 2020 #2
Don't Recall The Headline, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #3
An open mind is a valuable asset. marble falls Apr 2020 #4
That Recalls A Favorite LIne Of Mr. Chesterton, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5
But as Chicago once asked melodiously ... marble falls Apr 2020 #7
Melodiously, Sir, Is Not a Word I Would Choose For That Band The Magistrate Apr 2020 #17
Could have been much, much worse ... marble falls Apr 2020 #18
You Do Not Want Me, Sir, To Reach Such a State The Magistrate Apr 2020 #20
Please, dear lord no, please not "Honey, I love you", I concede. marble falls Apr 2020 #21
Retire With Honor, My Friend The Magistrate Apr 2020 #23
You and yours, be safe and happy! marble falls Apr 2020 #34
Myron Floren is bad enough. Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #29
Weaponized music! Now you've got me in suspense! marble falls Apr 2020 #33
LOL! Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #36
I remember the sea-change regarding T. Rex and his relatives. Aristus Apr 2020 #6
It is amazing how T Rex has "evolved" over the last thirty years. marble falls Apr 2020 #8
The big sea change was admitting they were warm-blooded localroger Apr 2020 #9
An old pal of mine had a hand in it. Harker Apr 2020 #10
Cool, I read both of his books when they were first published localroger Apr 2020 #13
Typical of his wit. Harker Apr 2020 #15
I had a large collection of little plastic ones The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #19
I Had The Same Thing, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #22
I think I did have the Andrews book; I had a lot of dinosaur books. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #24
They could have asked me. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #11
You needed to gichu some ... marble falls Apr 2020 #12
Rumors have it that paleontologists smoke a lot of dope. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #14
How about that? I just might be a paleontologists and not even know it! marble falls Apr 2020 #16
When my now 30 yr old son was 8, he wanted to invent... 3catwoman3 Apr 2020 #25
Because I can look in the mirror jpak Apr 2020 #26
Nah, you're just vintage. marble falls Apr 2020 #32
Last July my husband and I visited the T-Rex exhibit with the new versions csziggy Apr 2020 #27
You and your husband have got to be the best Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #30
Dino has been to Cozumel, Iceland, and all over the UK! csziggy Apr 2020 #31
You just made my whole day! Dem2theMax Apr 2020 #35
! csziggy Apr 2020 #37
We were at a zoo not too long ago, and went for the bird show... Xolodno Apr 2020 #28

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
3. Don't Recall The Headline, Sir
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:02 AM
Apr 2020

But a child reading on the subject then learned much that has been completely overthrown in the last several decades. This is not nostalgia for what it was, the new understandings are certainly superior, and quite fascinating.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. That Recalls A Favorite LIne Of Mr. Chesterton, Sir
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:12 AM
Apr 2020

"The object in opening the mind, as in opening the mouth, is to close it again on something solid."

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
7. But as Chicago once asked melodiously ...
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:15 AM
Apr 2020

"Does anyone really know what time it is?", remembering the same hand that grasps, releases.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
17. Melodiously, Sir, Is Not a Word I Would Choose For That Band
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 12:41 PM
Apr 2020

A plague upon the airwaves, that took years to abate. he were competent, I will give you that, but I am going to have to call up something to chase away the earworm you have summoned....

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
20. You Do Not Want Me, Sir, To Reach Such a State
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:51 PM
Apr 2020

That I summon up Bobby Goldsboro, or drivel concerning yellow ribbons or cakes that melt in the rain, or things named after strong drink that turn out not be a barmaid but somebody's dog, or even worse things it is taboo to even name, but which I am well aware of, and heard when new. Because if pressed I will do it....

I think we should just bow, concede the field to one another, and find some decent pictures of modern dinosaurs.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
23. Retire With Honor, My Friend
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:58 PM
Apr 2020

I have just finished a pot of chili and must serve it to the womenfolk, and will be absent a good while in consquence.

Be well, and stay safe!

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
29. Myron Floren is bad enough.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 01:54 AM
Apr 2020

But to have him play the worst earworm of all time on the accordion?



I don't think I ever told you where I live. I'll have to send you a DM at some point. You are going to laugh.

Aristus

(66,387 posts)
6. I remember the sea-change regarding T. Rex and his relatives.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:15 AM
Apr 2020

When I was a kid, books on dinosaurs, TV programs about them, and even comic books (Turok, Son of Stone!) showed the T. Rex as a fully-upright, lurching, lumbering klutz, whom one could easily outrun (Turok and Andar did it all the time.)

In the years just before the film Jurassic Park was released, the perception of the T. Rex changed. Paleontologist figured out that Rex's bodily orientation must have been horizontal, rather than vertical, with his enormous tail providing balance.

This changed the T. Rex from a laughable paper menace into a swift, merciless, frightening, and indomitable predator.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
9. The big sea change was admitting they were warm-blooded
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

There was a lot of resistance to this, as there was to the introduction of plate tectonics and the K-T impactor theory. There were a lot of small cues which piled up indicating that dinos were birds rather than reptiles, until the evidence was overwhelming. Michael Crichton's original novel Jurassic Park was directly inspired by this ongoing shift in our thought about dinosaurs.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
13. Cool, I read both of his books when they were first published
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 12:03 PM
Apr 2020

I love the anecdote about Bakker and Horner and the homage in Jurassic Park. "I told you T. Rex was a hunter!"

Harker

(14,024 posts)
15. Typical of his wit.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 12:19 PM
Apr 2020

He used to frequent the second hand bookshops where I worked in Boulder. If we had copies of "Dinosaur Heresies" on the shelf, he'd sign them and decorate them with fun dinosaur sketches.

He was interesting and fun to talk with on any subject... from his ongoing inquiries as to whether I'd yet found the "big red book on anteaters" he was searching for to "what kind of aircraft are those in "Lawrence of Arabia"?

It was a sad day for me when he moved to curate in Houston.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
22. I Had The Same Thing, Ma'am
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:56 PM
Apr 2020

Did you have the Roy Chapman Andrews 'All About Dinosaurs'? There was another about Baluchatherium, not a dinosaur but still --- Landmark, I think the series was, but it seems past accurate recall without a Google....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,733 posts)
24. I think I did have the Andrews book; I had a lot of dinosaur books.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 09:02 PM
Apr 2020

I was fascinated with them. At one time the little plastic ones were cereal box prizes - I'm sure I had this one:

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
14. Rumors have it that paleontologists smoke a lot of dope.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 12:12 PM
Apr 2020

Next, they have their kids draw them as they describe the creatures during a stoner haze. Drawings are submitted for peer review, then published.

Same with rocket scientists, I hear.

Simple............

Seriously, the art of envisioning those creatures takes a lot of skill and research. Kudos to those that do the art for us.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
25. When my now 30 yr old son was 8, he wanted to invent...
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 09:47 PM
Apr 2020

...a time machine so he could go back and see what color dinosaur skins really were. It bothered him enormously that there was no way to know for sure.

22 years later, he still does not like unanswerable questions.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
27. Last July my husband and I visited the T-Rex exhibit with the new versions
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:58 PM
Apr 2020

We took along our great nephew's stuffed dinosaur and took pictures with the modeled T-rexes:

Turkey sized baby:


Four year old juvenile:


Adult T-rex:

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
30. You and your husband have got to be the best
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 01:58 AM
Apr 2020

great aunt and uncle ever!

Taking your great-nephews little dinosaur to take pictures with the real dinosaurs. That is so cool. He must have loved it!

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
31. Dino has been to Cozumel, Iceland, and all over the UK!
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:56 AM
Apr 2020

I'm trying to go through the pictures that include him so we can make a book of Dino's travels for the great-nephew. Dino also gathered friends - a puffin, Nessie, and a Welsh dragon - as well as people all over who watched us taking pictures of Dino and heard his story.

Along the trip, my husband texted pics of Dino back to the kids and they were thrilled.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
35. You just made my whole day!
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:03 PM
Apr 2020

I'm sitting here, smiling from ear-to-ear just picturing the two of you taking Dino all over the world.

Yes, the two of you deserve some sort of award.
Best great-aunt and Uncle ever!

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
28. We were at a zoo not too long ago, and went for the bird show...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 01:42 AM
Apr 2020

Zoo Keeper: Are you ready to see the descendant of the vicious and terrifying raptor?

Audience; "YES!!!"

I chuckle a bit because I can see this is a set up.

Out comes a chicken.

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