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DFW

(54,445 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 08:36 AM Oct 2020

Suddenly, *poof* your life can change for the worse in an instant. Live like you expect it tomorrow

My wife and I have a friend who we have known since 1974. He is/was a doctor, one of a vanishing breed of GP doctors here in Germany. He had a small practice in the Ruhr town of Gelsenkirchen. He donated a few weeks of his time every year to work for free for Doctors Without Borders in rural parts of Africa. He was married to an ambitious woman with whom he had two children. She suddenly (no warning) left him a little less than 20 years ago for a man 20 years her junior, worked her way up to chief administrator for several local hospitals, and now rakes in a ton of money, something our friend never did, or tried to do, and she acts as if he had never existed. When their son got diagnosed with a glioblastoma (same brain tumor that killed McCain and Teddy Kennedy) around the same time as his strokes, her brother, who made a fortune in international real estate, sprang for an experimental therapy--so far successful--costing €130,000 that insurance refuses to cover here. She has not pitched in a cent. Maybe her brother, who is far richer, told her not to bother, we don't know.

About 15 years ago, he re-married to a wonderful woman that my wife and I both like, and they were very happy until about a year ago. He was having some chest pain, went in for an exam, and sent to the operating table. They put in some stents, but it wasn't enough, and he was sent to surgery for a bypass. Within hours after being delivered to the ICU, he suffered two debilitating strokes. He was a total basket case. Though mentally conscious, he couldn't move or speak. The most he could do was blink once for yes and twice for no. He entered an intense program of physical therapy and rehab, buying recommended devices and therapy not covered by medical insurance, and reducing the modest savings he had accumulated to practically zero. His wife's pension is €1000 ($1180) a month, and his disability is maybe a little more. If he hadn't fully paid for his apartment years ago, he would have been left penniless.

His PT and rehab were extremely strenuous, and his wife said she had several sleepless months. But they have borne fruit. He can now speak again, and move about their apartment with several mechanical devices. Since a few weeks, he can even take a few steps on his own, although he is cautious, since a bad fall would set him back months. He misses his practice, is always greeted by former patients on the rare occasions he ventures outside, something he can't do much of. His will is still strong, and this photo is one he insisted his wife take without his mechanical help. I am my usual 68 year old mess, he looks a surprisingly good 70 for what he has been through, and my wife looks her usual "no way she is 68!" self.


Over the last day, I heard that three people from my Dutch office have been infected with Covid-19. They were the boss, who is 50, and two young women in their 20s. After a week in Paris, they got restless. In Holland, in their small town near Utrecht, there were practically no Corona cases, and they weren't in the habit of wearing masks. They were in Paris from Sep. 28 through October 4th. They were very careful until Friday, October 2nd, when the two of them went out to a bar for a drink. No masks. Two days later, the three of them drove the six hours back to Utrecht, and three days later, after coughing spells and fever, they tested positive for Covid-19. We are all hoping for mild cases. I haven't been there since they got back from Paris, so I am in no danger, but it will throw a monkey wrench into the working of that office for a few weeks. All three of them are pretty much essential to the smooth working of that office.

Never let down your guard, don't take off the mask in public, and don't go out to bars, especially if you're in a country where the president has just said to stay away from bars!

And never assume nothing will ever happen to you, because like our doctor friend found out, oh yes, it can.

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Suddenly, *poof* your life can change for the worse in an instant. Live like you expect it tomorrow (Original Post) DFW Oct 2020 OP
Thanks for the gentle reminder,... we watch and care for one another. magicarpet Oct 2020 #1
Best of luck North Shore Chicago Oct 2020 #2
Very perceptive of you DFW Oct 2020 #3
Words to the wise indeed al bupp Oct 2020 #4
I like every single one of my colleagues over there. DFW Oct 2020 #5
and some day it will. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #6
Warren Zevon used to sing, "I'll sleep when I'm dead." DFW Oct 2020 #7
yeah. you dont want to be anywhere near me when i dont get my 8. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #8
I'm lucky if I get four DFW Oct 2020 #9
well, she is a friend of snoop dog. does that help? ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #11
I've never seen her magazine (no German edition?) DFW Oct 2020 #12
saner, no doubt. and not as rich. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #13
Snoop is a great philanthropist and all around good guy, BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #17
giving anonymously saves you a lot of grief. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #41
Rich Germans find loopholes just like anyone else. DFW Oct 2020 #19
of course. i both smoke and drink ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #25
When I found out the sugar content of most soda, I freaked out DFW Oct 2020 #31
ginger beer! the best. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #33
I alwas was a big Dr. Pepper fan when I was little DFW Oct 2020 #39
I had no idea! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #26
It has been fashionable of late, especially during the 2016 campaign DFW Oct 2020 #30
The real villain beneath everything is human overpopulation. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #35
I remember being part of a ZPG group in college in the early seventies DFW Oct 2020 #38
found this. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #16
I had no idea either DFW Oct 2020 #22
Thank you for that! Tiger8 Oct 2020 #10
A little perspective always helps DFW Oct 2020 #14
Thanks for that Tiger8 Oct 2020 #32
That is basically it. DFW Oct 2020 #34
Exactly! thanks for sharing. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #15
I always appreciate your tales from over there. Life and and people are different but good. erronis Oct 2020 #18
Danke! DFW Oct 2020 #23
Good to see that your friend wnylib Oct 2020 #20
Thank you for that inspiring reminder with your friend, and your co-workers. May all be safe niyad Oct 2020 #21
"Never let down your guard" is a good philosophy these days FakeNoose Oct 2020 #24
Well here's a cautionary tale and no mistake. Ligyron Oct 2020 #27
We wish your colleagues a swift recovery. NNadir Oct 2020 #28
Hesse and I disagree about the last part DFW Oct 2020 #37
I am not a Christian anymore than I am a Greek pagan. NNadir Oct 2020 #40
I had the good fortune to be raised in a home without religion DFW Oct 2020 #42
Never a dull moment, right! Ah, my dear DFW... CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #29
I will be most happy to tell my wife hi from you two! DFW Oct 2020 #36
I hope your friend and colleagues TuxedoKat Oct 2020 #43
I know of no such thing here, and he wouldn't ask anyway. DFW Oct 2020 #44

magicarpet

(14,178 posts)
1. Thanks for the gentle reminder,... we watch and care for one another.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 08:45 AM
Oct 2020

Bless you !
Be Well,... Stay Well.

al bupp

(2,192 posts)
4. Words to the wise indeed
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:19 AM
Oct 2020

My best to you, your wife and & your doctor friend. I have been working for a number of years now w/ colleagues in Dordrecht. Lovely people one and all. Someday when it's possible to travel again, Holland will high on my list.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
5. I like every single one of my colleagues over there.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:22 AM
Oct 2020

I learned the language, and usually run over there once a week, although this week, I probably won't have time.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
6. and some day it will.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:25 AM
Oct 2020

in the words of the immortal hank williams- i'll never get out of this world alive.
and neither will anyone else.

that is my fave song in the world. i sing it all the time.
cuz we all need the reminder.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
8. yeah. you dont want to be anywhere near me when i dont get my 8.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:36 AM
Oct 2020

i tell ppl, i could be martha stewart too, if i could get by on 3 hrs a night.
but then again, i hear she only smiles when the cameras are rolling. the rest of the time....

DFW

(54,445 posts)
9. I'm lucky if I get four
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:40 AM
Oct 2020

As for Martha Stewart I sorta know who she is, though I wouldn't know her if she ran up to me and offered to take me to lunch. I don't get U.S. TV here, and from what I know, that's the only place people back home know her from.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
11. well, she is a friend of snoop dog. does that help?
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:48 AM
Oct 2020

and she went to prison for a stock scheme that most rich ppl get away w every day.
while she was there, she spent her time teaching other inmates to read, and writing letter for them. which is when i decided she was a pretty good egg.

i read somewhere that she vacuums at 2 a.m. so she can sleep. but she otherwise has a huge staff. she has a mini farm, and keeps heritage chickens, so she cant be all bad.

besides teevee, she has a magazine and her name is on products from food to linens to furniture.
gets richer everyday. dont know what she does w all that money. i hope she gives a reasonable amount away anonymously, but dont know.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
12. I've never seen her magazine (no German edition?)
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:58 AM
Oct 2020

And I had to look up Snoop Dog.

It's a whole different set of personalities over here.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
13. saner, no doubt. and not as rich.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:02 AM
Oct 2020

cuz they have to pay reasonable taxes.
you should check out some of those vids w snoop dog. they get posted her on the regular cuz they are hilarious.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
17. Snoop is a great philanthropist and all around good guy,
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:19 AM
Oct 2020

So I imagine Martha must be too... birds of a feather, and all.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
41. giving anonymously saves you a lot of grief.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 01:37 PM
Oct 2020

and reportedly brings a higher perch in heaven. so they tell me.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
19. Rich Germans find loopholes just like anyone else.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:28 AM
Oct 2020

Taxes here are on a different scale than in the USA, plus there is a 19% national sales tax on everything. Top tax bracket is theoretically 42% (with add-ons, the true amount is about 50%), and it kicks in at under $100,000. But only idiots like me get caught in that bracket, since I have no income in Germany, and few deductions. Plus, I get no health care here or pension. Just a big tax bill and nothing in return.

Most Germans making $100,000 find a way to make due, though with the cost of living here, you don't live a life of luxury until you start to make about three times that. Take away 19% sales tax on everything, plus little taxes here and there, and you are left with maybe $2000 out of the $8000 you gross every month if you are not extravagant. Gas costs $6 a gallon (down from $7.50), you pay an extra tax for having a car, a house, a TV, a radio, and just about anything else you can think of. Electricity and water are not cheap either. Luckily we neither drink alcohol or smoke. Addicts to either really get hit with use taxes (as they should be, seeing how they burden the health care system disproportionately).

Gasoline is openly taxed illegally according to the German constitution. The price of gasoline consists of the actual price of the fuel plus a mineral oil tax. They then add on 19% Value Added Tax--not just on the fuel, but on the mineral oil tax! A tax on a tax is strictly illegal according to the German constitution, which expressly forbids double taxation (it was used to take away the possessions of the Jews by the Nazis, and was thus forbidden under the 1949 Federal German constitution). It's why a wealth tax is consistently declared unconstitutional here. It is taxing money that has already been taxed ("we didn't get you enough last time, so we're gonna get you again" ).

One of my neighbors here is a judge on the Düsseldorf Tax Court, as well as a professor of tax law at the University of Bonn. He wrote his doctorate on double taxation, and says the German parliament votes in taxes that violate that law all the time, but no one has the time or the money to challenge offending laws in court. He said if one of them ever came before him, he'd strike it down in a heartbeat, but no such challenge is ever mounted.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
25. of course. i both smoke and drink
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:20 AM
Oct 2020

and taxes on both are high here in cook county. as is gas, but i dont drive much.
i never beef about any of that. as you say, it is as it should be. i was pissed when they repealed the soda tax. cowards. i dont drink that much soda, but loved that this forced gas stations and convenience stores to carry more pure juice, and put it upfront.

but when i venture to the burbs, i fill up and stock up.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
31. When I found out the sugar content of most soda, I freaked out
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:55 AM
Oct 2020

I liked only Ginger ale and quinine water (or tonic, or whatever they call it now) in the first place. Now, the closest I get to carbonated drinks is adding a little carbonated mineral water to Austrian apricot nectar (huge fruit content, something like 45% compared to 10% or less in the USA). The only exception is Swiss-made Ramseier Süssmost, a natural apple-pear carbonated drink that is practically never sold outside of Switzerland. Even in Switzerland, only the Co-Op stores carry it. The apricot nectar we drink comes from a small family production in the Wachau Valley of Austria, and they only ship to Germany or Switzerland, never farther.

High Fructose Corn Syrup is not used here in Europe, fortunately. It's a pain in the ass every time I'm in the States, and I have to carry a magnifying glass to see which products have it, and which do not. Too many do, and too few don't. I was pretty spooked at how many otherwise cool foods include it. Liberty Orchards apple and apricot candies from Washington State, Bookbinders cocktail sauce (and Crosse and Blackwell), Smuckers jams, all sorts of fruit juices made on a mass basis, even most brands of spicy tomato juice (Bloody Mary Mix). Really frustrating, but HFCS is evil stuff, and I won't intentionally ingest it if I can avoid it. My family is full of cancer cases, and I see no reason to accelerate my already high probability of getting it.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
33. ginger beer! the best.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:05 PM
Oct 2020

sugar gets brewed out. easy diy, too.
since i live in a very mexicano neighborhood, mexican coke is easy to find. comes in those bottles we all remember from childhood, too.

i like ibc sodas. mmmm. dark cherry. cream soda. lots of good flavors. iirc, they sell it on amazon.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
39. I alwas was a big Dr. Pepper fan when I was little
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:39 PM
Oct 2020

In Texas, that never raised an eyebrow, but in Virginia, they thought I was "odd."

DFW

(54,445 posts)
30. It has been fashionable of late, especially during the 2016 campaign
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:40 AM
Oct 2020

I saw so many ridiculous posts about how everything was "free" in Europe, I wanted to demand that they all learn 5 northern European languages, namely French, Dutch, German, Danish and Swedish, and spend 6 months in each country to learn reality instead of what they saw on some website, or heard in some 3 minute video in the States. They have a different system of paying for things in each country here (and no two are alike). NOTHING is free. And since the virus has broken out, and countries have had to go deeply into debt (i.e. print money and hope people are desperate enough to still accept it), no country boasts a surplus any more. Germany, Switzerland and Norway (all export-driven economies) had enviable positions, but even that has faded. I still see posts about how we need to tax the billionaires out of existence, as if that would stop climate change and cure cancer. But confiscate every cent Bill Gates has to his name, convert it all to cash, and evenly divide it up among every man, woman and child in the USA, and you know how much they each get? Something like $360. ONCE. So whose piggy bank is Robin Hood going to empty next week?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
35. The real villain beneath everything is human overpopulation.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:24 PM
Oct 2020

I don’t foresee anything saving us if we don’t address that.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
38. I remember being part of a ZPG group in college in the early seventies
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:37 PM
Oct 2020

We weren't taken seriously then. We wouldn't be taken seriously now.

It's as if Trump were the captain of the Titanic, and set his course based on a firm disbelief in the existence of icebergs.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
22. I had no idea either
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:43 AM
Oct 2020

She sounds like someone who has accomplished a tremendous amount, and overcome some serious adversity as well. She also sounds like one smart businesswoman who has known how to parlay her abilities into a profitable business enterprise.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
10. Thank you for that!
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 09:43 AM
Oct 2020

When you have your health, you are super wealthy.

I was once super broke and feeling sorry for myself. I'll never forget walking and noticed I was next to a hospital. I looked up at the windows and saw patient beds, and thought....wow....maybe there is millionaire up there with a terminal illness. If given the chance, he would do anything to be in my shoes.

Take care of your health. Eat right. Exercise. Get medical checkups. And wear a mask!

DFW

(54,445 posts)
14. A little perspective always helps
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:03 AM
Oct 2020

Being some famous actor or gazillionaire doesn't seem all that attractive when you're lying in some clinic wasting away from some incurable disease, knowing you are going to die before you ever turn 58. Of my grandparents, two never made it to 70, one barely made it to 80, but wasting away from Alzheimer's, and one made it to 102 with all his marbles intact. Both of my parents and ALL of their siblings had cancer. That doesn't exactly give me great odds. I won't be living the life of a Buddhist monk eating only lentils, but I don't intend to purposely put myself in harm's way, either.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
32. Thanks for that
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:02 PM
Oct 2020

Three of my grandparents woke upon their last day, probably not knowing that would be their last one.

I knew a guy who grew wealthy doing what he loved, plus a great family and circle of friends. Took good care of his health too. Went to bed on the eve of his 60th birthday and died in his sleep.

Carpe Diem

DFW

(54,445 posts)
34. That is basically it.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:19 PM
Oct 2020

To me, carpe diem doesn't mean that you have to go climbing Mt. Everest or swimming the English Channel every day, but just going to bed feeling the day just ended was NOT a waste.

When I was a little kid back in Virginia in the local public school, we were told to say every night, "Now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the lord my soul to keep. If I die before I wake, I pray the lord my soul to take." In those days, we didn't even know what it meant, we just knew that it rhymed. We used to alter it for the girls' bathroom in school: "Now I lay me down to peek, I pray the lord don't make me speak." Or whatever it was.

In my irreligious later years, I just want to look forward to the day coming up, and not regret the day just ended. My grandfather died in his sleep at age 102, and during my last visit to him a couple of months before, he said he was getting tired of the indignity of needing help to do things he had been able to do on his own for the last 100 years. Now THAT I can understand. He was one cool dude. When he was age 99, he sent out a Christmas card to everyone with a photo of him, looking very much his age, with the caption, "Compliments of the Seasoned."

When I'm eternally known for THAT kind of stuff, then I will go quietly. I'm not there yet.

erronis

(15,358 posts)
18. I always appreciate your tales from over there. Life and and people are different but good.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:25 AM
Oct 2020

Too bad many Americans won't open their eyes and experience other cultures. And it's usually the ones without culture that hate others.

A grüß Gott to you and your friends.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
23. Danke!
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:11 AM
Oct 2020

Actually, Grüß Gott is a Bavarian expression. Here in the northwest, we usually say "'Tag" or even use the Platt expression from the far northwest: "moin'"

In my humble (and maybe unorthodox) opinion, you don't really become a true patriot or your own country, or truly appreciative of another country until you can credibly criticize its defects as well as sing it praises.

Republican idiots wave the flag and think they live in paradise on earth. Democrats are the true patriots, because they are the ones that see not only the good, but the bad as well, and want to make it better. If you say your country has nothing to improve, and nothing is better in any other country, you haven't been anywhere, and speak no foreign languages. Hell, you probably don't speak any American languages at all. When Republicans say they speak "American" because they speak English, remind them where England is. Thirty miles from France, and 3000 miles from America. That's called Europe.

Speaking of France, there are no bigger patriots of their own country than the French, and there are no bigger critics of France than the French. All of my French colleagues tell me, "nous vivons dans un pays de cons." "We lives in a country of idiots." Ask them where they would like to live, if given the choice, and they will tell you, "right here in France, of course, why would I want to live anywhere else?" These are usually people who have traveled all over Europe, and know perfectly well what aspects of life are better elsewhere. But they think their country can be improved to be a better best, the truest patriots among them never think they live in paradise. The only ones they hate are the ones that hinder progress or are corrupt in their own countries, never the ones from elsewhere who do things differently.

And think about it--the French are right. How boring do you want your life to be? Do you wake up in the morning , and say, hey, I live in a perfect world, there's nothing to do today but drink beer and go shoot guns in the woods with the guys? I guess there are plenty of people to whom a vision of paradise is exactly that. Otherwise, there wouldn't be Republicans.

wnylib

(21,626 posts)
20. Good to see that your friend
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:33 AM
Oct 2020

Is recovering from his stroke. When I was about 8 years old, my German-born great aunt, who lived with us, had a massive stroke. She, too, could only communicate by blinking yes or no.

This was the 1950's when medicine was primitive compared to today. My mother refused to consider a nursing home. Our neighborhood was like extended family, which you don't see much of today. Neighbors took turns helping my mother with bed pans, sheet changing, cooking, etc. They chatted (one-sided, except for the blinks) about local gossip with my aunt. Everyone was excited the first time she wiggled her fingers. My mother got her a pad and pencil and eventually she could scrawl out words.

It took months, but she gradually was able to sit up, then stand, and eventually walk with a cane. Her speech came back, but slurred a little. She got frustrated when the right words did not come to her or did not sound right. My mother patiently and intuitively figured out what her aunt was saying, filled in words for her, and practiced vocabulary and pronunciation with her. We could not afford intensive therapy, but she did go to the local hospital for PT a few times a week.

After several months (a year? I was too young to remember clearly now), she was able to walk without the cane and to speak so people understood her, although she struggled occasionally for the right word. Strangely, when she could not recall the spoken word she wanted, she could often write it.

So, there is hope after such a massive stroke, but it takes a lot of hard work, and help from caring people.

niyad

(113,587 posts)
21. Thank you for that inspiring reminder with your friend, and your co-workers. May all be safe
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:42 AM
Oct 2020

and well.

FakeNoose

(32,785 posts)
24. "Never let down your guard" is a good philosophy these days
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:15 AM
Oct 2020

I'm happy to hear that your friend is on a slow road to recovery from bypass surgery. It's hard to believe how many of us - in the past 30 or so years - have benefitted from this revolutionary procedure. Bypass surgery has added as much as 10 years onto our life, for some of us. It's commonly available and almost-routine in most major hospitals - what a miracle it is for our generation! Bypass surgery still has risks involved as your friend the doctor has experienced. But the alternative to surgery would surely have been much worse.

It's unfortunate that your co-workers were infected with the virus, but it's good that they recognize the mistake they made by not wearing masks in public. Hopefully it will reinforce the message to everyone they know, "Wear masks always and keep your distance."



Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
27. Well here's a cautionary tale and no mistake.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:29 AM
Oct 2020

But it is nice to have an image of you and the Mrs. to go with so compelling a voice. You know, I can still taste German coffee with beet sugar in it just looking at that table. Cheese cake too on second glance and now I'm hungry.

Anyway, thanks for the story sad though it is in parts.

NNadir

(33,563 posts)
28. We wish your colleagues a swift recovery.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:30 AM
Oct 2020

I lost my boss earlier this year, and I'm still grieving, because he was one of the finest people I have ever known.

Your message about mortality is well taken. Even before Covid, I was confronting it with a growing realization that it applies to everyone, myself included.

In a way that is perhaps perverse, there's a certain benefit to considering the immanence of one's own death, which is that one can appreciate, better than ever, what a privilege it is to be alive, how wonderful life really is.

I live by these words:

Jeder Mensch aber ist nicht nur er selber, er ist auch der einmalige, ganz besondere, in jedem Fall wichtige und merkwürdige Punkt, wo die Erscheinungen der Welt sich kreuzen, nur einmal so und nie wieder. Darum ist jedes Menschen Geschichte wichtig, ewig, göttlich, darum ist jeder Mensch, solange er irgend lebt und den Willen der Natur erfüllt, wunderbar und jeder Aufmerksamkeit würdig. In jedem ist der Geist Gestalt geworden, in jedem leidet die Kreatur, in jedem wird ein Erlöser gekreuzigt.


-Hesse.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
37. Hesse and I disagree about the last part
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:34 PM
Oct 2020

"In jedem ist der Geist Gestalt geworden, in jedem leidet die Kreatur, in jedem wird ein Erlöser gekreuzigt."

"In each (person), the spirit has taken form, in each suffers the creation, in each a savior is crucified." The Christian references don't resonate with me, but the rest of it does, although my philosophy is still better expressed by "that crazy gay Frenchman," André Gide: "Croyez ceux qui cherchent la vérité, doutez de ceux qui la trouvent." Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it.

NNadir

(33,563 posts)
40. I am not a Christian anymore than I am a Greek pagan.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 01:12 PM
Oct 2020

Still, the myth of Sisyphus resonates with me. Who doesn't feel as if one is struggling to haul a great rock up a slope, only to see it roll and fall back so the task remains untouched?

I have no formal attachment to any religion.

I was raised as a Christian, though, and pieces of the ethics and outlook unavoidably remain with me. In, the Origins of Satan, which I read many, many years ago, what stuck in my mind was Elaine Pagels claim - feel free to disagree - that the cultural view, as opposed to the religious view, inserted by Christianity into world culture was the notion that all human beings have equal worth. She pointed out that many philosophers, including Western philosophers, Greek philosophers, would regard this contention as absurd.

It seems empirically obvious that people are not equal, at least in their capabilities, although this does not imply that anyone is not entitled to basic human rights. If Pagels is correct, if she is on to something, it was certainly a positive notion to insert into World Culture, that each human being matters, that each human life is in a way sacred.

I actually live not by Hesse's actual words in German, but by my own translation into English with which I have taken certain liberties, to get at what I think Hesse meant.

Here, near the end of my life, certain spiritual feelings resonate with me. I fully concede that they may be nonsensical, and are based on my reluctance to disappear from life, as I must do, and sink into the nothingness out which I came.

In Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology, God is a distinct discreet person-like male being, divorced and separate from all human beings. In the remarks about the spirit, the creator, the redeemer, I feel that Hesse is pulling a bit of a fast one, in a sense, extending God into the Human Being, as opposed to distinct from the human being, which is very different than what Christian mythology implies. (Hesse grew up in a family that was very theologically inclined, in a Christian sense.) As I near the end of my life, this strikes me as comforting.

The part of the excerpt that resonates most with me is this description of what it is to exist as a human being: ...wichtige und merkwürdige Punkt,wo die Erscheinungen der Welt sich kreuzen, nur einmal so und nie wieder...

...which I liberally translate as, "...the important and remarkable point at which views of the universe intersect, as such just once, never to be repeated." (To me, the world is in fact the universe, in which I am undeniably trivial.)

I live by this, and I would be pleased to die with it as my last full thought.

I consider Hesse's introduction to Demian to be one of the most beautiful literary evocations of humanity that I have ever seen. I have wept many times reading it.

I quoted from it (in English) in my eulogy for my mother-in-law at her funeral as it was the core of everything I wanted to say about her, given our sometimes difficult personal relationship, a relationship, despite our problems, in which I ended up loving her very much anyway.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
42. I had the good fortune to be raised in a home without religion
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:00 AM
Oct 2020

I therefore was an open book in absorbing varying philosophies. No one point of origin colored my reading of any of them.

Your translations are indeed somewhat at odds with my own, although with German literature of that era, one can be forgiven for being all too sure at just how the author would have translated it into English, had they been so inclined. Once in college, after not even a year of my first German course, Günter Grass came for a guest lecture. The room was overflowing, of course, and he read from some of his writings. One non-German speaker asked if he would read in English. He said he couldn't, and added that writing in German was difficult enough already.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,721 posts)
29. Never a dull moment, right! Ah, my dear DFW...
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 AM
Oct 2020

A pair of stories from you today, with strong, important messages. Thank you for the important and vital reminders.

And my best to your doctor friend and his wife! I hope he will continue to heal. And for your friends in the Dutch office, the same! It's truly hard to be patient and stay safe when the end is not in sight. LM and I have always lived quietly and so social distancing is not a problem. We always wear masks when we do go out and we are otherwise careful. It suits us.

Please tell your beautiful wife hello from us!

DFW

(54,445 posts)
36. I will be most happy to tell my wife hi from you two!
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:25 PM
Oct 2020

After all, you, LM and Steve are the only live bodies from DU to have made the trek here and stayed with us here in the Düsseldorf area. That is one very exclusive club you belong to!

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
43. I hope your friend and colleagues
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 10:35 AM
Oct 2020

all recover quickly. I feel so much for your MD friend though, such a generous and giving soul. Is their a German equivalent to Go Fund Me? I would donate to one for him if so.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
44. I know of no such thing here, and he wouldn't ask anyway.
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 11:58 AM
Oct 2020

I appreciate the offer, though. He has fond memories of his couple of his visits to the USA decades ago, and liked the people there. His ex-wife's brother has made tens of millions on his own, and probably would not stand to see our friend sink into complete poverty. If need be, though of vastly more modest means, so would I.

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