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Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:16 PM Jul 2012

Movies where what you see isn't happening.

It's the movie equivalent of an unreliable narrator. You see what one of the characters thinks is happening, or thought was happening, or said was happening. The character may be delusional or just plain lying. Sometimes it is only at the end of the movie that you learn what is (or was) really going on.

Examples:

Rashomon
Mulholland Drive
Mirage
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
The Sixth Sense

I love this stuff!

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Movies where what you see isn't happening. (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 OP
Fight Club NightWatcher Jul 2012 #1
Thanks. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 #3
Refresh my memory. What was the twist in that one? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #31
Shutter Island and Gothica. bluesbassman Jul 2012 #2
Shutter Island sounds intriguing. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 #10
I felt the same way about Gothica, but it happened to be on one day so I watched it. bluesbassman Jul 2012 #11
Okay, I watched Gothika. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 #18
Keyser Soze? Was that the name of a movie? Or was it just a character in some movie? CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #4
Usual Suspects ohiosmith Jul 2012 #7
D'oh! Of course. Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #8
My pleasure! ohiosmith Jul 2012 #12
** Spoilers ** Right. What you saw was mostly a pack of lies. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 #13
Inception. surrealAmerican Jul 2012 #5
Memento. ohiosmith Jul 2012 #6
I really loved that movie! Time travel always intrigues the hell out of me! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #9
Memento is exceptional... RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #25
A standalone movie. Exceptionally good. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #32
Brazil n/t MorningGlow Jul 2012 #14
The Amazing Spiderman (reboot) warrior1 Jul 2012 #15
Jacob's Ladder, Angel Heart CBGLuthier Jul 2012 #16
Jacob's ladder is the best example. pa28 Jul 2012 #19
Angel Heart is a little different. It's all really happening. yardwork Jul 2012 #20
The Wizard of Oz nolabear Jul 2012 #17
Mulholland Drive BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #21
2001: A Space Odyssey Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #22
I assumed it was happening. Lionel Mandrake Jul 2012 #26
The Others fishwax Jul 2012 #23
Identity RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #24
Hitchcock's "Stage Fright" darkstar Jul 2012 #27
A Beautiful Mind solara Jul 2012 #28
The Conversation n/t Frank Cannon Jul 2012 #29
The Game Lars39 Jul 2012 #30
Does Sucker Punch fall in this category? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #33
I'd argue for The Machinist and American Psycho WilmywoodNCparalegal Jul 2012 #34

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
2. Shutter Island and Gothica.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jul 2012

Shutter Island is the Leo DiCaprio film and Gothica is with Halle Berry. Both tight suspense plots.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
10. Shutter Island sounds intriguing.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jul 2012

I'll take a look at it.

Gothica - not so much. The critics hated it. I usually depend on critics to help me choose movies to watch.

But not always. I liked the beginning and end of the 1962 remake of Caligari, which the critics hated. (The middle part was s...l....o......w....)

bluesbassman

(19,379 posts)
11. I felt the same way about Gothica, but it happened to be on one day so I watched it.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jul 2012

Actually a pretty good movie with some great plot twists.

Shutter Island is very good for the genre.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
18. Okay, I watched Gothika.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:09 PM
Jul 2012

I should have stopped after this bit of dialog:

Pete Graham (Robert Downey, Jr.): "I don't believe in ghosts."

Miranda Grey (Halle Berry): "Neither do I, but they believe in me."

What kind of writing is that? It makes no sense, and no plot twist could possibly rescue it.

Good movies that seem absurd make sense at the end. Not this one.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,683 posts)
4. Keyser Soze? Was that the name of a movie? Or was it just a character in some movie?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jul 2012

But that movie, whatever it was called, was another one where what you saw wasn't happening.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
13. ** Spoilers ** Right. What you saw was mostly a pack of lies.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jul 2012

Kevin Spacey's character was being interrogated.

In the crucial scene, the camera panned around the room focusing on objects containing the words that "Verbal" Kint (Spacey) had woven into his narrative.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
25. Memento is exceptional...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jul 2012

...but it's not about time travel. The protagonist has memory loss and the entire film happens in a sort-of reverse-time. Genius premise because the viewer experiences events like he would.

Directed by Christopher Nolan - yes, the Batman guy.

I highly recommend it!

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
20. Angel Heart is a little different. It's all really happening.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jul 2012

One character doesn't realize that he's the one causing it.

BrendaBrick

(1,296 posts)
21. Mulholland Drive
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jul 2012
frustrates the crap out of me!!!

I swear, I've watched it two times alone and had no one to turn to and ask...is she the same one that...yada, yada, yada...?

I just don't get it. Too many look-a likes for my particular taste.

I really like and appreciate movies across all genres...but I don't want to really work that hard in trying to figure them out!

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
26. I assumed it was happening.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jul 2012

There seem to be multiple Dave Bowmans at the end. We see the action from the point of view of one (or more) of them. The unseen aliens are trying to replicate (and perhaps improve upon) the original Dave Bowman, but having trouble keeping him (or them) alive. Their final effort produces a floating baby who will become the Star Child and will visit Heywood Floyd and a few other characters in the sequel.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
24. Identity
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:57 PM
Jul 2012

I didn't care for it much but it is a good example of what you're talking about.

Isn't this going to spoil some movies for you if you haven't seen them? It's usually a lot better to not know that some big twist is coming.

Lars39

(26,110 posts)
30. The Game
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jul 2012

Accidentally started watching it at about the middle without knowing the name of it. Absolutely irked me to find out how it ended.

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