Am I really just turning into an old lady? sheesh!

[FirstLight]

Just read an article about some chick in Norway creating a BETTER card deck that isnt racist or gender biased.

Apparently, the KQJ is misogynistic, so she changed it to Gold Silver and Bronze

And eliminated the royalty/face cards because they were all white.

OK, so what's next? we rename all of the chess pieces?

These games are historic in nature, we cant just white wash everything to be "less offensive"
If we do that, then we run the risk of forgetting History IMO. Yes the feudal way of life sucked, which is why the people rebelled. Tha's a necessary part of steps in cizilization

Im sorry, it just triggered a severe eyeroll moment and I had to share....

ETA: I dont mean to sound so snarky. I guess to each his/her/their own...

[Claire Oh Nette]

1. Cool...

My mother played Bridge for years. She had all kinds of decks of cards.

Buy a different deck, if that one doesn't suit you.

[Ocelot II]

2. More about it here:

https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/gender-neutral-playing-card-netherlands-7157152/ (She's Dutch, actually.) Seems a bit much, but then I'm an old lady, too.

[Binkie The Clown]

3. As a liberal, I'm embarraased to say that sometimes liberals make fools of themselves.

They become a parody of liberalism and make themselves easy targets of ridicule, not just from the right, but from ordinary, average people.

And yes, I AM an old man myself. Remembering a world where everyone under the sun did not take offense at everything under the sun. (I once had a boss at work who was Polish. He had a huge notebook of "Polish jokes" he had collected over the years. He got a kick out of them. Seems like that kind of easy-going attitude just went out the window and made the world a colder, more frightened place.)

[FirstLight]

9. Ya, i get ya...

It just seems a bit much sometimes..

[Hugh_Lebowski]

17. Right with you here (nt)

[Joinfortmill]

4. I hear ya.

[Wingus Dingus]

5. Things like this make me feel like some jokesters are just trolling

to see what people are willing to go along with.

[TygrBright]

6. I like it. But then, I've been rewriting traditional prayers, psalms, etc. to be gender-neutral...

...for years.

In spite of being cis-female and strongly anti-patriarchy, I was raised in a gendered, bigoted, patriarchal culture. I know darn well I'm not conscious of the water I've always swum in, not without consciously paying attention.

The only time I get pissy about people making "updated" versions of traditional (and traditionally patriarchal, bigoted, etc.) stuff is when they don't put any real effort into making the updated version a thing of beauty and impact on a par with what it's replacing.

But, that's just me.

responsively,
Bright

[FirstLight]

11. Thanks for getting it...

I too have done some of my own reclaiming of gender empowerment.

Guess I'm not so much bashing the attempt, it just seems like a bit much. I appreciate that so many games and things that we have now are from hundreds if not thousands of years ago. I dig the history of it...even though much of that history WAS patriarchial and misogynistic...

[PoliticAverse]

7. In the mean time people can stick to checkers....

(Oops that has kings too).

[Croney]

8. I'm turning 77 in two days and I like the idea of shaking things up.

There is room for tradition, and room for innovation.

Change cards, change games, change anything you want. People can make their own choices.

[demmiblue]

14. Indeed.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

10. My late Mother...

was raised in a strict Methodist home, where cards were frowned upon. No TV, radios ran on batteries...I've seen the cars they used, these cards sound similar to the ones my mother had kept.

[FirstLight]

13. wow...now that's interesting

didnt even know that other types existed. I mean, I know the traditional deck is also a cousin to the Tarot.

Might have to do some more history digging and see what types are really out there!

[FirstLight]

15. Here we go! This is really cool...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_card


Originated in the East, through Egypt...and in Europe there were Latin, Franch, and Germanic based suits...
seems like the face cards were always similar though... King Queen Page (Princess)

[FirstLight]

16. Persia was King/marshall/deputy

"In the late 14th century, Europeans changed the Mamluk court cards to represent European royalty and attendants. In a description from 1377, the earliest courts were originally a seated "king", an upper marshal that held his suit symbol up, and a lower marshal that held it down.[62][63] The latter two correspond with the ober and unter cards found in German and Swiss playing cards. The Italians and Iberians replaced the Ober/Unter system with the "Knight" and "Fante" or "Sota" before 1390, perhaps to make the cards more visually distinguishable. In England, the lowest court card was called the "knave" which originally meant male child (compare German Knabe), so in this context the character could represent the "prince", son to the king and queen; the meaning servant developed later.[64][65] Queens appeared sporadically in packs as early as 1377, especially in Germany. Although the Germans abandoned the queen before the 1500s, the French permanently picked it up and placed it under the king. Packs of 56 cards containing in each suit a king, queen, knight, and knave (as in tarot) were once common in the 15th century."

[madaboutharry]

12. Somethings are in need of change, like racist mascots

And racist names of sports teams. I think taking the Native American girl off of Land O’ Lakes butter was the right thing, along with changing the name of Eskimo Pies, and Aunt Jemima Pancakes.

And there were some sexist holdovers that needed and still need change too. Some childrens’ toys that were exclusively gender based (like science kits), product names, and most especially sexist ads in advertising (still a problem).

But sometimes things are taken to extremes. I agree that deciding that the universal deck of cards is misogynist is evidence of someone with too much time on their hands.