Let's fight. If you have to use 4 pitchers to gain a no-hitter...

[Ferrets are Cool]

you CANNOT compare yourself to Don Larson.

[SergeStorms]

1. No screaming shit!

Ridiculous. But now the Phillies and their fans can understand what Yankees fans went through since immediately after the All-Star break: batters completely losing their ability to put the bat on the ball.

Let's hope it only lasts one game for Philadelphia, and not half of a season.

Go Phillies! ⚾️

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. I agree.

It just evens out what they did to Houston the night before. They will come back tonight.

[PJMcK]

2. I don't have a dog in this fight (so to speak)

But isn’t it more important to assure a victory in a World Series game?

I understand the desire to see an exceptional performance but why risk a win when this is the culmination of years of hard work by everyone on the team?

MLB lost me years ago so I really don’t care. Let me say this: an ugly legitimate win beats a grateful loss any day of the week.

[TxGuitar]

13. " But isn't it more important to assure a victory in a World Series game?"

Absolutely this. Every game is game 7 and you have to go with your best.

[BlueTsunami2018]

3. Of course not.

Who would do such a thing?

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. The talking heads...

specifically, Max Kellerman.

[Initech]

6. Agreed! That game was bullshit and the announcers are full of themselves.

[redstatebluegirl]

7. I turn down the sound those guys are awful!

[TxGuitar]

8. They didn't "have"

to use 4 pitchers. They chose to. You cannot deny the Astros bullpen is stupendous

[Zambero]

9. Or Yogi Bera for that matter!

Larson's perfect World Series game was helped along by the spot-on defensive play of his teammates. In addition to that, effective hand signal communication between pitcher and catcher is an important element. Yogi deserves at least some of the credit for the fact that not a single Dodger batter took first base on the basis of four balls being pitched.

[Fla Dem]

10. Agree! But a "No Hitter" is a "No Hitter

Cristian Javier DID pitch 6 No Hit innings and the Astros did end up with a NO Hit win. He should be applauded for his 6 no hit innings.

But true, Don Larsen pitched 9 innings of "No Hit" "Perfect" ballgame.

Totally different situations.

[RussBLib]

11. Just not that many complete games anymore

Not sure why that is.

[debm55]

30. I agree.

[onenote]

40. There are a lot of reasons.

The overriding reason is that more pitches are thrown in today's game. Harvey Haddix threw 12 perfect innings with only 106 pitches.Larsen threw 97 pitches in his 9 inning perfect game. Javier threw 97 pitches in six innings. Completing the game required another 40+ pitches.

Why more pitches? One guess is that there are a lot more pitches fouled off these days. Plus batters are selective, tryiing to work the count.

Finally, this column gives a fuller explanation of the changes that have occurred in the game and why. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/11/03/cristian-javier-don-larsen-complete-game/

[TxGuitar]

12. Who compared them to Larson?

It was the second no hitter in WS history, stated as a fact rather than a comparison.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. As I said in an earlier post, the talking heads were comparing the two.

And there is NO comparison. IMO

[LetMyPeopleVote]

14. Chis Holing is happy

Link to tweet

[Brother Buzz]

16. Back when men were men, but could Don Larson go sixteen innings?

The day Willie Mays hit a walk off home run and was essentially relegated to the footnotes

...........................

Two future hall of fame high-kicking pitchers, Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn faced off for the dual of the century on July 2, 1963 at the 'Stick'.



On July 2, 1963, Juan Marichal pitched a 16-inning shutout against the Milwaukee Braves, outdueling Warren Spahn, who pitched 151/3 scoreless innings before Willie Mays won it 1-0 with a home run. Marichal threw 227 pitches; Spahn threw 201. (To Hell with that wussy pitch count crap!)

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. That was pretty farking amazing, however....

They didn't pay players what they do now so they didn't care if they threw their arms OFF.
One other thing about last nite and the comparisons to Don Larson. Larson threw 97 pitches in 9 innings...the starting pitcher threw 97 in the first 6 innnings last nite.

[Brother Buzz]

23. Tommy John Surgery has improved the pitchers lot significantly, and extended many careers

The downside is pitchers are benched for, like, two seasons.

Fifty percent of everything, or a hundred percent of nothing

[debm55]

18. Agree, What ever happened to the complete game? Or the bullpen only being used when a pitcher got in

trouble the final innings? A pitcher had to go a certain amount of innings to be credited with the game if his team won, while the Bullpin pitcher got the save. Now it is very rare to see any pitcher go the distance. That turned me off. I still have my Pittsburgh Pirates book as I watched the game and made the marks in it showing the goings on every inning.

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. One word. Analytics.

[TxGuitar]

24. Several other words:

more specialization and better hitters.

[Goodheart]

20. I don't care either way. Baseball sucks.

[Ferrets are Cool]

21. ...

My "let's fight" was strictly rhetorical. I would never fight over a game.

[debm55]

22. . I guess baseball is the like Medical field where you have an earache and you have

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to see an Ear,Nose and Throat Specialist. When it came to baseball, I am a purist. Never liked the DH rule either.

[Genki Hikari]

27. Another wolf pup

Don't like something?

Then don't go into the thread, just to trash what other people enjoy.

[debm55]

29. I just feel that he had help from the bullpen, did the rules change on how many innings constitute

a win? Didn't watch the game. When I watched baseball, you had to go a certain amount of innings to get the win. Say you left in the third inning and the relief pitcher came and the team won, the starter would not get the win. Did the rules change? Just asking for a friend.Wolves are beautiful, not a wolf, Sorry, I appear that way. Times have changed since I watched and that was the Pirates/Atlanta series from years ago.

[debm55]

32. Sorry, I din't mean to trash the thread. Just wanted to know why and when the rules changed.

[onenote]

41. The rules haven't changed. To get the win, a pitcher has to complete five innings. Javier went six.

[Genki Hikari]

26. I'm sorry that you were raised by wolves

That's still not an excuse to go into a thread about a topic you hate and trash something other people enjoy.

If you hate it, ignore it.

What part of that is so hard to comprehend?

[Goodheart]

28. Awwww, so sorry to upset you.

[Genki Hikari]

25. Oh for crying out loud

They're not comparing it to Larsen, only saying it's the first time something like it's been done since him.

Big difference.

It's still a commendable feat, and no threat to Larsen's achievement at all.

[RussBLib]

31. Thank you

I think people like to get riled up sometimes. Almost looking for something to attack or be offended by.

And, btw, this is the first-ever combined no-hitter in WS history. Astros did the same thing to the Yankees earlier this season, and Javier was the starting pitcher in that game too.

Hopefully Verlander will regain his dominance tonight.

[debm55]

33. There's the word--combined. Thank you for stating that to me.

[elleng]

34. True,

but I don't wanna fight.

Waiting for phils to return.

[Ferrets are Cool]

35. lol

neither do I. I was just attempting to stir up a conversation other than politics. Go Phili!!

[elleng]

36. Thanks, and I SHOULD have said: Bring BROOKLYN Dodgers back!!!

[Ferrets are Cool]

37. ...

[Different Drummer]

38. I posted a poll on Twitter (which I know some of you take a dim view of) today...

asking if people thought Larsen's 1956 WS no-hitter or the Astros 2022 four-pitcher no-hitter was the greater accomplishment. I don't think anyone can rationally argue that Larsen's no-hitter wasn't the greater of the two. However, the one rando who responded to my poll so far selected the Astros' combo no-hitter.

[TxGuitar]

39. Nobody is saying that

Even a one pitcher no hitter in the WS wouldn't stand up to a perfect game. I've only heard the Astros one last night mentioned as being the second WS no hitter, which is a fact.

[Not Heidi]

42. No quarrel here.

On Opening Day, 1991, Angels Mark Langston and Mike Witt combined for a seven-inning/two-inning no hitter.

I was so angry with manager Doug Rader I could've cried.

Of course, at 28 I didn't know everything.

I did, however, learn the truth when I was 17.

[Hekate]

43. 4 pitchers is a lotta beer, though