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WillParkinson

(16,862 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:50 PM Oct 2012

When is it 'too late'? (Advice if you've a mind to do so, please) (Kind of long, too.)

Only a few people (all family members) know the story I'm about to relate. I've never told anyone outside my family because...well, I guess I was embarrassed or it just hurt too much to discuss it. Now, though, many years later I've decided to come clean.

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When I was a kid (about 13 or 14) I used to love to write stories. They were hand-written (no computers back then) and averaged about 120 - 140 pages. The majority of them dealt with gay teens, seeing as how I was one. Of course I couldn't show them to anyone as no one knew my 'secret'.

One day I set out to write a science fiction story about a protoplasmic goo monster in a lab setting. It featured people from my junior high school where I was, let's just say, less than popular. (Truth be told, if I was a teenager today I'd probably be one of those who snapped under the pressure in one way or another.)

When I finished my story I was incredibly proud of it. The first person I took it to was my father. I showed him my masterpiece (remember, I was 14 and flush with victory), eager for him to read it and understand me and, perhaps, my angst. He took the book from my hands and without opening it said, "What are you wasting your time on that shit for? It's never going to amount to anything."

I was completely devastated and humiliated. I took everything I had ever written and tossed it in a box and never wrote anything again.

So here we are, decades later, and I've got the urge to write something. I'm not sure what yet. Paul found one of my old stories in the basement somewhere and read it. He says he really likes it, especially considering how old I was when I did it. He thinks I should flesh it out and try to get it published.

I *want* to do it, but I'm not sure the teenager in me is willing to go through the strain again. Seems that dear old dad's comment screwed me up pretty good and continues to do so.

So what's your thoughts? Leave myself open and give it a try or just better to keep it to myself?

This song from Harry Chapin might give you an insight to my fears...


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When is it 'too late'? (Advice if you've a mind to do so, please) (Kind of long, too.) (Original Post) WillParkinson Oct 2012 OP
Screw your dad - go for it!! Never too late REP Oct 2012 #1
WRITE irisblue Oct 2012 #2
I suspect that you know where *I* am on this one, my dear WillParkinson... CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2012 #3
Listen to me very carefully. nolabear Oct 2012 #4
Never too late. Never, never, never too late to write. Flaxbee Oct 2012 #5
Write. Downwinder Oct 2012 #6
Write!! polly7 Oct 2012 #7
I write lots of crap and I don't stop. hunter Oct 2012 #8
Helen Hooven Santmyer (November 25, 1895 – February 21, 1986) HeiressofBickworth Oct 2012 #9
I can relate. Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #10
It's only too late if you are dead. You are a wonderful writer csziggy Oct 2012 #11
Midnight FloridaJudy Oct 2012 #12
Of course it's not too late. Rhiannon12866 Oct 2012 #13
NEVER. nt LWolf Oct 2012 #14
Being a writer or artist or anyone who creates deutsey Oct 2012 #15
It's never, ever, ever too late. HappyMe Oct 2012 #16
Write. yellerpup Oct 2012 #17
It's too late when you're six feet under. WRITE!!! And publish those old stories for Kindle readers. HopeHoops Oct 2012 #18
I don't have a success story to tell you nuxvomica Oct 2012 #19
It's never too late ismnotwasm Oct 2012 #20
It's amazing Tsiyu Oct 2012 #21
When did Grandma Moses start painting? 70 years young!! riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #22

REP

(21,691 posts)
1. Screw your dad - go for it!! Never too late
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:18 PM
Oct 2012

Remember what Collette said about writing - its like sex: first you do it for pleasure; then for a few friends and then for money Pick it up again and see if you still like it!

irisblue

(33,034 posts)
2. WRITE
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:26 PM
Oct 2012

write, write, write. Maybe it's good, maybe not, but write for your OWN self and share with us if you'd like. The sheer fact that a queer kid came through to be the kind human you show us says a lot about you. and your father was wrong about other things, yes?

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,715 posts)
3. I suspect that you know where *I* am on this one, my dear WillParkinson...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:31 PM
Oct 2012

It is never too late!

Ignore your father's voice in your head, and get going!

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
4. Listen to me very carefully.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:46 PM
Oct 2012

When I was a kid I had a fairly miserale time of it. Military, bullying father and mother who spent a lot of it dying. She was dead by the time I was 13 and we kids lived on and off with our grandparents for all that time. My escape was reading, and eventually writing. I wrote because I enjoyed making up other lives and as an adult I realize I wrote fictionalized versions of my loneliness and pain. Lots of it was romantic horror and sci-fi, and what we'd call fan fiction today. And I wrote poetry, which I loved.

Now. I knew better than to show anyone. My father was just plain mean and depressed and if he ever said anything good to me I don't recall. But mostly there was just no there there, no encouragement. No one told me I could go to college. No one told meI counted. So I did what young Southern girls do; I got married straight out of high school and took up others' lives.

Two husbands later I found a keeper. And had two sons, and got a kind of care and stability I had never had. They liked me. I liked them. And I began to like me. And all of a sudden the need to write came back like a steam locomotive. It scared the holy hell out of me. I practically had a nervous breakdown (and I use "practically" just because I want to). I went into psychoanalysis, an intensive form of therapy to address the sheer terror of the sudden need to become what I had never been able to become. And I started writing. And kept writing. Then got serious and did the whole writing group, writing conference, readings, thing. I went to college and majored in two things, writing and psychology.

Tomorrow I go off to a festival where I will be selling my novel. I am the poet laureate emeritus of a medium sized city. I have had many things published, have taught writing, and I'm also a therapist with numerous clients who want to be creative and are afraid. I am afraid. But by God I write. And it's the best thing in the world.

You can do this. I have no idea how good a writer you are but I do know it doesn't matter one good goddamn. A smart person can learn to be a decent writer and a person who learns to embrace the fear we all feel about whether we are good enough and turn into it, make it work for you, can be a great one.

Now, I'm going to be hard to reach for a few days beginning tomorrow morning but you're welcome to PM me after next Tuesday. Meanwhile, read a couple of books, Bird by Bird and Art and Fear. Both are small and will help you realize that you are not alone. The father you've got in your head may hang around, or he may not, but whether you forget him or spend your life telling him to go fuck himself doesn't really matter as long as you use it. Write, Baby. Write.

Flaxbee

(13,661 posts)
5. Never too late. Never, never, never too late to write.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:52 PM
Oct 2012

I'm in the process of organizing my time/commitments a bit better so I can focus, too. I just want to write fun mystery novels, nothing earthshattering, and by god, I'm going to do it.

You should, too.

Your father was just insecure, unkind, and probably nursing some regrets. Don't rack up too many regrets about your life, and I think you'd greatly regret not at least trying to write again.

Do it. Do it do it do it do it!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
7. Write!!
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:02 PM
Oct 2012

I so envy anyone with that kind of talent and imagination. Yes, open yourself up ... the satisfaction you get from it will be worth it alone. Who knows how far you can go with it, and good luck!

And I'm sorry your Dad did that to you, it must have been awful.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
8. I write lots of crap and I don't stop.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:22 PM
Oct 2012

So don't worry, quality is not in issue.

Writing is cheap. It costs less than cable television. You can do it with a pen and a notebook. I think it's more fun.

I've sold words, but that's a rare event. If I was hungry I'd probably have better luck dumpster diving for food than writing for it.

I notice your DU journal is empty.

That might be a pretty easy place to start.

Your post here could be your first journal entry.

Whenever I write something on DU I like I add it to my journal.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
9. Helen Hooven Santmyer (November 25, 1895 – February 21, 1986)
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:30 AM
Oct 2012

She was 88 when her most famous work And Ladies of the Club was published—it was a best-seller in 1984.

She spent her life in various roles that involved writing but never achieved the great success that she did with And the Ladies of the Club. Some might have said that 88 was too old to begin a new book, but she did it anyway. I don't think she thought there was a time that it was "too late".

So, my humble opinion is GO FOR IT!!!

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
10. I can relate.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 01:01 AM
Oct 2012

My family looked at my photography as a waste of time. My father was the worst. He hated it and told me that it was a waste of time (along with my writing) he wanted me to concentrate on getting a fast food job. He even signed the waver to go to work at 14, behind my back, to work for a burger joint. It was me that put my foot down and said I was not going to let him tell me what I should do with my life or what was a "waste of time".
The question is what do you believe in what you wrote or what he said?

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
11. It's only too late if you are dead. You are a wonderful writer
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 03:16 AM
Oct 2012

I always look forward to reading your posts.

Keep writing.

FloridaJudy

(9,465 posts)
12. Midnight
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:33 AM
Oct 2012

If you mean calling me to say "Hi!"

For writing fiction? Never. Accept that your first efforts are going to be crap. The first effort to do damned near anything is going to be. Even Picasso didn't pick up a paintbrush and create Guernica out of the box. Ever seen Titus Andronicus? I'll bet you haven't, and so have very few other people. Even Shakespeare's first effort was perfectly horrible.

Just keep on writing. Get feedback from honest friends, and revise. Read books on writing. Stephen King's and Ann Lamotte's are helpful. Take creative writing workshops, but develop a thick skin first! Those few first criticisms are going to be devastating.

Revise again. Keep on writing. You'll get there eventually, because you already have a gift for words. You'll be good at it.

Edited to add: I've written a few short stories. None of them were ever published, but I think they showed promise. If one of my descendants ever found them in an attic ("What do you know! Great Granny wrote Science Fiction.&quot I'd like to believe they wouldn't be too embarrassed.

Rhiannon12866

(206,072 posts)
13. Of course it's not too late.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:01 AM
Oct 2012

And family members are often wrong about things. Because I was a psych major, my Dad thought I should be a doctor. Yikes! And my mother told me I didn't pass my first driver's test, said nobody did (probably because it took my brother six tries... ), but I did.

If you were very young, you wouldn't have the experiences you've had, which is an important thing for writers. It's said you should write what you know, and you know so much more now than you did as a kid. And another thing, writing's something you can do at any age. No mandatory retirement age, no injuries, like if you played baseball, and you can work from home.

I say give it a try. What do you have to lose?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
15. Being a writer or artist or anyone who creates
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:38 AM
Oct 2012

leaves you wide open to comments from people like your dad. Who knows why he said what he said? Maybe your dad was thinking you need to be developing more "practical" skills to survive in the world, maybe he was frustrated and angry by where he was in life and how he wasn't able to fulfill his teenage aspirations...

You may have a better insight into why he said that, but there are lots of people who aren't going to "get" what you've done; they'll see it as frivolous or not good enough, or whatever.

It's too bad you had to have that be your first experience with someone rejecting something you poured your heart into. But if it's a passion for you (and it's obviously still calling out to you after all these years), pick it back up and pour your heart into it again. You already had one person respond positively to it, right? I can guarantee you others will, too, just as others will probably be indifferent or critical (in a negative way).

Just keep in mind that many great writers suffered tons of rejection before their break came. Other writers spent their lives in obscurity and weren't "discovered" until after they died, if at all. But they had that passion and wrote anyway because not to write, not to express something deep within themselves, would be to kill off some vital, animating part of who they are.

If you're honest in what you write, it will resonate with someone else who feels the same way. And who knows? That reader could be a teen struggling through a similar situation you had when you were younger and, as a result of reading your story, feels a little less alone in the world, a little more inspired to keep on keeping on.

Bottom line: DO IT!

Hope my ramblings help.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. It's never, ever, ever too late.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:49 AM
Oct 2012

Pull out the story and work on it. I know it's easier said than done, but take baby steps toward letting the dad stuff go.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
18. It's too late when you're six feet under. WRITE!!! And publish those old stories for Kindle readers.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:53 AM
Oct 2012

Just price them at a dollar to get them out there. Anything you had to say then is certainly still relevant to today's teenagers. And whatever you have to say now is relevant as well. And who knows, maybe a publisher or agent will discover it and put it in physical form or even a film. Nobody's going to read your works if they stay locked away.

nuxvomica

(12,445 posts)
19. I don't have a success story to tell you
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 09:14 AM
Oct 2012

I had written horror stories as a kid and wanted to be a writer but put off the dream for many years. I had this really against-the-grain sci-fi story in my head that I used to think about when I was having some tough times and couldn't get to sleep at night any other way. I figured it could be a novel but I also figured I would never write it.

Then back in 2009 I saw a video of Susan Boyle singing "I Dreamed a Dream" and that inspired me to go ahead with my own dream. If she could start a singing career in her late forties, it seemed I should be able to start a writing career in my fifties. I found Nanowrimo and used it to write the first 60,000 words of my novel that November. By April of 2010, the first draft was finished at just under 100,000 words.

Since then I've been polishing the story, mostly on the site Authonomy.com, and after numerous rejections from publishers and agents, I finally decided to self-publish just this past August. I continue to work on the novel and enter contests. The novel was a second round pick of the Amazon Breakthrough Novel Award in 2011 and a quarterfinalist in the same contest this year. I'm currently waiting to see how a flash fiction entry to NPR does and I'm preparing a submission to Harper Voyager, which has open submissions till 10/14.

The whole experience has been time-consuming, ego-bruising and just about the most satisfying period of my whole life. Despite the lack of success, there is nothing I like better than making up stuff, playing with words, and reading it afterwards. I was always supposed to be a writer, and I think Will Parkinson was too. Go for it.

ismnotwasm

(42,014 posts)
20. It's never too late
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:02 AM
Oct 2012

From what I understand its hard to get published, and you need to have a thick skin. I know there are writers here on DU. Have you checked in the writers group? I know there is one, but I'm not a writer.

I got much the same message when I wanted to be an artist. I'm quite talented, but I rarely have the urge to do more than doodle these days. I say go for it, let your muse express herself.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
21. It's amazing
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
Oct 2012


how long we hold on to those early assaults on our talents and interests.

Makes me remember now to say positive things to children. You never know what a small person will take to heart.

But your OP is a story in itself.

The answer is, it's never too late.



 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
22. When did Grandma Moses start painting? 70 years young!!
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:50 PM
Oct 2012

Unless you're dead, its never too late!

Good luck! You're going to be just fine. Keep us posted so we can travel the scary path with you if you like. We've got your back.

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