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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsNiagara posted a thread yesterday on the Oregon Trail computer game. Has anyone here visited sites on the Trail?
Niagara's thread is here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10182302532 - with some cool background on the game, which was originally designed for Minnesota schools in the 1970s. A number of Loungers remembered it. I'd gone to school in St. Paul, but in the 1960s when my dad worked for KSTP, before the game existed, and had never heard of it before Niagara's post, though Wikipedia has a lot on it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_(series) - and there are other links in Niagara's thread.
I had heard of the Oregon Trail, of course, though my ancestors who emigrated from Germany came over decades after those wagon trains had made that dangerous trip west. I've mentioned in other posts here that my grandfather's farm was in northeast Kansas, on the northern edge of the Flint Hills. Fairly close to Alcove Spring, which I'd played in when I was a kid.
Wikipedia has an article on Alcove Spring - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcove_Springs - using the alternate spelling of the name.
Across the road from the Alcove Springs park is another park commemorating the Oregon Trail and features history, wagon swales and a D.A.R. marker memorializing Sarah Keyes, a member of the Donner Party who died in 1846. The exact location of her burial is unknown.
Alcove Springs was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1972.[1][3]
My parents didn't tell us about the Donner Party. Probably thought that tragic story wasn't appropriate for young kids. But we knew wagon trains had stopped there, leaving marks easy to see on the ground, and carvings in the rocks. We played under that waterfall.
My grandfather's farm nearby included two spring-fed streams (their origins, which we never saw, not on the farm), with rocks similar to those you see in the photo of Alcove Spring that Wikipedia used. But the larger stream, which flooded fairly often, had carved into the north side of the wooded limestone hill the farmhouse was built on the south side of, leaving a cliff over a wide bend in the creek, with fallen boulders up to a couple of feet across in shallower water at the edge of the creek below. We oldest grandkids (two of my siblings and I with two of our cousins, whose dad, my mom's brother, had a farm near my grandfather's) used to climb across that cliff, often holding on to tree roots (years later I decided I'd never let children do that), so it never occurred to us not to play in Alcove Spring, and I imagine kids still do.
Some links about Alcove Spring:
From the National Park Sevice, with video and a 19th century painting:
https://www.nps.gov/places/000/alcove-spring.htm
https://www.nps.gov/places/000/alcove-spring-swales.htm
Another link, with photos. including one showing a steep hillside (this part of Kansas is NOT flat) -
https://kansassampler.org/8wondersofkansas-geography/alcove-spring-near-blue-rapids
TripAdvisor page with lots of photos/reviews:
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g38581-d3427840-Reviews-Alcove_Springs-Blue_Rapids_Kansas.html
Video about preserving the park:
Curious about whether other DUers have been to other stops along the Trail.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,922 posts)highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)like a great site to visit.
https://www.nps.gov/places/000/national-historic-oregon-trail-interpretive-center.htm
https://www.nps.gov/places/000/national-historic-oregon-trail-center-trail-ruts.htm
https://traveloregon.com/things-to-do/trip-ideas/favorite-trips/enjoy-oregon-trail-history-arts-food-and-drink-in-historic-baker-city/
Jilly_in_VA
(14,405 posts)many years ago, when I was a kid. I don't remember where, though. And I have visited St. Joseph, MO, which was a jumping-off point for a lot of them.
highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)2naSalit
(102,902 posts)I lived along the trail, or portions of it, in southern Idaho. I was a few miles from Goodale's cutoff. which traveled through and along the Snake River Plain, across parts of what is now the Fort Hall Indian Reservation. But I have been to the Silent City of Rocks where many remnant signs of the wagon trains exist. There are many spots in SE Idaho around Soda Springs and Lava Hot Springs that were mentioned in some of the travelers' journals, places you can find today.
I've probably seen about three hundred miles of the trail in the western states, many points along the way.
highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)Beautiful country, but it's hard to imagine crossing it in a wagon.
https://visitidaho.org/travel-tips/experience-the-oregon-trail-in-idaho/
https://www.nps.gov/oreg/planyourvisit/idaho.htm
2naSalit
(102,902 posts)For about 15 years and attended ISU during that time, went on many field trips and examined many spots where the remnants are clear. It was pretty rough going through Idaho since they had to cross the lava beds which are not easy on anything that passed over them from wheels of any kind to feet of any creature. Lava, basalt, is hard to walk on and after a brief hike, you can get pretty worn out.
It is an incredibly unique landscape.
highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)Goodale's Cutoff took its toll on the travelers and their wagons. The rugged lava restricted travel to one lane, so progress was slow.
The path along the edge of the lava flows was circuitous. The emigrants typically passed through in late July, the hottest part of the summer. Wood dried out in the desert air and shrank, causing wheels and boxes to come apart. Pioneers wrote of finding pieces of broken wagons littering the trail.
2naSalit
(102,902 posts)And they also had a lot of issues going over the mountains before that. Their wagons were often overloaded, they demanded too much from their horses and oxen. The used chains and rope to help ease their loads over steep inclines, left forever marks. There are also places where some left notes or their names carved into boulders. Ruts are still visible in many places and the sage is still bigger than surrounding areas, the livestock provided enough fertilizer for a change in the growth of local sagebrush.
Pretty crazy out there. I am quite familiar with the areas mentioned.
highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)dangerous.
This was interesting, too - a modern wagon trip along the Goodale Cutoff. But you'll have to watch it on YouTube because of that TV station's settings.
Harker
(17,819 posts)on my way to or from Yellowstone from North Central Colorado.
Vogon_Glory
(10,302 posts)Scotts Bluff, Fort Laramie, Deep Rut Hill, Devils Gate, South Pass, and Independence Rock.
Also, the reproduction fort at Fort Caspar and the nearby reproduction bridge (Unlike the one burned in 1867, it doesnt cross the Platte).
I also poked around the areas where there was supposedly a ferry across the Green River, the Ninth Crossing of the Sweetwater River in Wyoming (The junction for the Lander Cut-off).
Later on I visited Baker City, OR and poked around Flagpole Hill (the museum was closed that day). Deadmans Pass does not look like someplace Id care to take a covered wagon.
I also visited the reproduction Fort Vancouver in Washington state.
I still want to visit more landmarks along the Lander Road as well as the Oregon Trail landmarks in Idaho, despite the appalling actions of the Idaho legislature.
highplainsdem
(62,247 posts)you said about it.
Looks like some of the more recent videos about wagon trains on the Oregon Trail were made using AI. Just noticed one about a wagon train that didn't actually happen. So aggravating...
Vogon_Glory
(10,302 posts)Rocky Ridge was another Oregon Trail landmark. Its touted as a Mormon Trail landmark these days, but way back when, EVERYBODY had to cross it, at least until the Seminoe cut-off was opened.
The Ridge isnt much to look at: just rock strata eroded to ground level and tilted to one side, but it must have been one hell of a wheel-buster and had to be crossed very slowly and very carefully. It doesnt phase anyone with present-day off-road rubber tires, but those didnt exist in the 1840s, the 1850s, and the 1860s.
Id wanted to get out and linger a bit but there were one, two, three bus-loads of present-day Mormon pilgrims at the site and there wasnt anyplace to park.