Game of Thrones 3.9 "The Rains of Castamere" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

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In season 1, episode 9 was "Baelor" where Ned Stark got beheaded. In season 2, episode 9 was "Blackwater" where Stannis attacked King's Landing and - on the edge of victory - was thrown back & defeated by a surprise attack by Tywin Lannister and the Tyrells. Will Season 3, episode 9 be as eventful? Please no book spoilers for non-readers until showtime.

Edmure meets his bride as House Tully prepares to ally itself with House Frey. Meanwhile, Jon faces the toughest test of his life; Bran finds he has a new gift; and Daario and Jorah discuss strategies for taking Yunkai.

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and, to put you in the mood for tonight:

[Hayabusa]

1. I'm hyped!

[Chan790]

2. You know what would throw all the book people for a loop? (Surprisingly, no spoiler.)

If the big scene, the one I've been expecting all season, gets pushed off the end of this episode and opens next week's finale.

[NewJeffCT]

3. It would

but, it won't happen. I think it will end similar to Catelyn 7 from the book...

[Hayabusa]

4. I'm hoping the next chapter will be covered.

Either that or a closeup on something stated in the books, but never shown.

[NewJeffCT]

5. do they do that

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or, do they leave it till next season - not revealed until the epilogue in the books.

[NewJeffCT]

6. less than 30 minutes now

should be interesting.

I wonder if it will get heavy twitter traffic?

[NewJeffCT]

7. Here we go

Nm

[NewJeffCT]

8. Pretty close to the book

With Walder Frey and his daughters

[NewJeffCT]

9. But

In the book, Jeyne was not at the wedding. Talisa is here.

[Hayabusa]

18. Boy, she wishes she was still Jeyne at this point...

Brilliantly played HBO. It went off as well as I expected it to.

[NewJeffCT]

20. Puts to bed some of the thoughts

that Talisa was a Lannister spy. Wonder if it will kill the Jeyne rumors, too?

[Hayabusa]

28. Since it kind of has been confirmed that

GRRM has told the showrunners the basics of the plot in case he dies before the books are finished, it does kinda put a damper on it. Damn it, I'll still believe that the real Jeyne escaped w/ the Blackfish until it's proven otherwise!

[NewJeffCT]

31. I thought I got the impression

it was Jeyne's mother giving her moon tea, without Jeyne's knowledge? At least from Feast for Crows or Dance.

[Hayabusa]

32. Yeah, those "Fertility Drinks"

It's certainly implied.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Did not expect him to run out on her...

Did not expect the wilding seer to get killed. Or is he living in the falcon?

[Hayabusa]

24. He warged into the eagle

at the last minute. In the books, this happened much earlier.

[Baitball Blogger]

27. Why did he leave the wilding woman behind?

Was he faking his love for her?

[Hayabusa]

29. That is complicated.

Very complicated.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. Is that young Frey girl the one who is still a child?

[Yavin4]

12. Man...

This is tough.

[nolabear]

13. Boy ill bet the folks who haven't read it are freaking out!

Whoof.

It's a bit out of order though, isn't it?

[Yavin4]

14. Looking forward to the YouTube reaction videos n/t

[NewJeffCT]

19. Too bad you couldn't get Cat's last thoughts

heartbreaking - "No, don't, don't cut my hair, Ned loves my hair."

(Then the steel was at her throat, and its bite was red and cold.)

[Baitball Blogger]

21. I know a spoiler, I know a spoiler.

[Yavin4]

22. I read the books, and the scene still works for me.

I even liked it that Bolton was the one who stabs Rob.

[NewJeffCT]

25. I think he did in the books, too

though, it wasn't clear until A Dance with Dragons

[Hayabusa]

30. It's a little ambiguous

mainly because Cat is completely freaking out at the time.

[Yavin4]

36. Where is that in Dances?

I may have to re-read that book.

[NewJeffCT]

38. Don't remember exactly

I'll need to look it up again - might have been a Jamie chapter about Mama Westerling wanting to get back in good with Tywin.

[lapislzi]

56. The Boltons are a bag of dicks.

Every last one.

[Hayabusa]

61. Well, we know one Bolton has at least one.

Sorry, bad joke. Poor Theon...

[NewJeffCT]

23. Yes

In the book, The Hound & Arya come to the wedding when after Robb's already been killed and the Freys and Boltons were ambushing the other Northmen... the Hound turns them around and heads away, saying that it's already a slaughter.

[Liberal Veteran]

15. Oh, yeah!

Been waiting for that.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. So that really sucked.

He took his mother's advice and paid the price.

Who was the lucky guy who married the young girl?

[NewJeffCT]

17. Edmure Tully

Catelyn's younger brother. Edmure is the bad archer from earlier in the season.

[warrior1]

26. Arya, so close

She will have to add more names to her list.

[Yavin4]

33. Folks are really angry on HBO's message boards

http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/index.html#/global/talk.html

[NewJeffCT]

34. When I first read the whole sequence

short Arya chapter, followed by Catelyn and then Arya, I think my jaw dropped and stayed open for those last few pages of the Catelyn chapter then the entire Arya chapter.

[Liberal Veteran]

37. Yeah, it was like getting poleaxed reading those chapters.

Watching it was intense.

[LonePirate]

35. You simply cannot become attached to any character on this show.

Every single one of them suffers and no one is every truly happy.

Long live Daenerys!

[NewJeffCT]

39. You mean you're not on Team Joffrey?

everybody's favorite king?

[Jamastiene]

45. I am certainly not.

I can't wait until that little brat gets his. I hope it will be glorious and satisfying. Usually, I don't feel that way about anybody, but this is one character that really pisses me off, lol. I know he is bound to piss off the wrong person eventually with his disgusting attitude.

Why is that kid so mean? Is he just a psychopath for no apparent reason or what?

I haven't had a chance to buy the books yet. I can't wait to read the books when I get enough saved up to buy them. I know there are tons of details that cannot be portrayed on the screen quite the way they can in books.

[NewJeffCT]

46. Some of its insanity

some of it is that his mother (the queen) indulged his every whim as a child, so he's grown up thinking that nobody can say "no" to him.

[siligut]

54. Inbreeding is part of Joffrey's problem, look at his family

He was conceived in deceit and destiny, but he hasn't the strength of character of his grandfather, Jaimie's physicality, nor Cersei's beauty. What he did get is Tywin's cold-heart, Cersei's chipped shoulder and Jaimie's arrogance. And of course, he has been coddled from birth.

[azurnoir]

73. oh I so hope they get to his wedding too

this season but with only one episode left

[Jamastiene]

43. I love Daenerys.

Absolutely long live Daenerys.

[MuseRider]

40. *snort*

I was reading a thread on FB by someone I barely know but a friend. She was talking about the wedding and they were all excited, they were planning who was going to go with who etc. I read it with dread and amusement. The thread stopped when GOT came on. 58 minutes later there was one post...."Oh fuck me". LOL

[NewJeffCT]

42. It was tough to read

and it was still tough to watch, even though I knew it was coming.

[MuseRider]

53. Yes it was.

I felt a bit beaten after watching it.

[nolabear]

64. One twitter remark was "I'll bet a lot of couples are reconsidering those GoT themed weddings."

[NewJeffCT]

65. or the one

If you're invited to a Game of Thrones themed wedding - don't go.

[Chan790]

66. Are there any truly happy weddings in the books?

I can't recall any.

[NewJeffCT]

67. Well, Dany-Drogo was reasonably happy

considering she was basically sold into the wedding. It wasn't the doggy-style wedding night like they portrayed on the show - Drogo was surprisingly tender in the book.

But, Sansa-Tyrion, Edmure-Roslin, Jeyne-Ramsay and Joffrey-Margaery were not happy events - though, the reader might be happy at the Purple Wedding. Trying to recall others - maybe the Karstark girl to the Magnar of Thenn?

[wickerwoman]

85. Littlefinger/Lysa Arryn

[NewJeffCT]

88. Good point

Forgot that one. That was a shocker as well

[lapislzi]

89. Riiiiiiggghhhttt...

I hope they play that for full comic effect.

[lapislzi]

69. Au contraire...

I think it might clear things up in a lot of families.

[CrawlingChaos]

41. Well I am emotionally spent

More than I expected to be, and I knew what was coming. It's been ages since I read these books and I'm sketchy on details, but who could forget the Red Wedding.

The lowest moment for me, when my heart really sank, was the killing of Grey Wind - and then Arya looking into his eyes beneath the door ... devastating. I usually turn right around and re-watch the episodes a couple times over, but with this one I think I will need a break before I can revisit it.

It was extremely well done I thought -- the interaction between Catelyn and Roose Bolton just before all hell broke loose was really chilling. I just hate to think of only one fleeting episode left, and then the long, long, long wait for Season 4. Waiting sucks so hard.

My husband and I have been watching the shows with my sister, who is not familiar with the books, so she had no idea what was coming tonight - and, boy, she was mad. She said, is this show just going to keep killing off all the good characters and we don't get even one dead Lannister?! I had to promise that some satisfaction was coming, but she'd have to wait till next year. Then we did what I'm sure a lot of viewers did, which was to take inventory of the remaining Starks.

Any thoughts on what the final scene of the finale will be?

[NewJeffCT]

44. The season finale is entitled "Myhsa"

which is Mother in Valerian. So, I'm guessing it will be at least some of the aftermath of the fall of Yunkai.

From the previews, they'll have the Hound & Arya looking over the remains of the Red Wedding (it wasn't just what happened with Robb & Cat - there were a few thousand Northmen there with him.)

I'm guessing they'll have Sam meeting Coldhands, though I'm not sure if he'll get to meet Bran. (I thought they had cast Coldhands?)

Not sure if we'll hear "you know nothing Jon Snow" to end the season.

[Hayabusa]

48. Well, he's already been on the show!

Okay, that theory isn't proven either...

I'm hoping we see Lady Stoneheart, but that's way too early to tell the truth.

[alphafemale]

72. I love the surprises.

What book are the up to there is obviosly back story I could sift through.

[NewJeffCT]

75. On the show

they're almost 2/3 of the way through A Storm of Swords, the 3rd book in the series. There are now a total of 5 books out, with 2 more scheduled to be written.

[alphafemale]

76. Wow. So the TV show really is just skimming the surface.

Cliff note version almost?

They are huge 700+ page books...right?

[NewJeffCT]

78. Yes, the show is a condensed version

Of the books. 3 seasons is 2 2/3 of the books. You miss a lot of backstory and history on the show, and the cast of thousands is condensed to a huge cast of 100-200.

[alphafemale]

80. What is the first one? Talk to me like I am an idiot.

thanks

[NewJeffCT]

82. The first book is A Game of Thrones

It came out in 1996, I think, and was Season 1 on HBO.

A Clash of Kings was 1998. That was covered in Season 2

A Storm of Swords came out in 2000, and the first part is Season 3, and the remainder will be Season 4.

A Feast for Crows came out in 2005 and A Dance with Dragons came out in 2011. Martin, a noted liberal, had trouble writing volumes 4 and 5 and ended up restarting book 4 and breaking it up into 2 concurrent parts - half was Feast and the second half was the first 2/3 of A Dance with Dragons.

Volume 6 will be The Winds of Winter and Volume 7 is A Dream of Spring.

Martin has said the ending will be bittersweet.

I just hope he writes books 6 and 7 at a pace that was closer to the first 3 books, as he's 63 or 64 and has had some health problems and is kind of heavyset.

[alphafemale]

84. Thank you. Drives me bat shit that the best shows are only about 9 episodes per season.

Argh.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Red Wedding reaction video

A book reader filmed her friends watching the Red Wedding.

[Iggo]

51. Lol @ last comment by the chick on the left.

[Solly Mack]

49. That was just plain disturbing to watch even though I knew what was coming.

Brynden Tully went to use the bathroom and the assumption is he died too. (outside w/ the rest) But...I dunno. He's not dead in the books and he wasn't at the Red Wedding. I didn't see him die on the show...maybe I missed it? I admit to closing my eyes a time or two.

[NewJeffCT]

50. No, he didn't die on the show

I'm looking forward to [font color=white]his showdown with Jamie Lannister.[/font]

There are some that think the Blackfish is [font color=white]the Ghost of Winterfell[/font]

[Solly Mack]

52. He'd have to make it back to Riverrun first.

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Which is possible. Or since they made his escape from the Twins, perhaps he goes from there to wherever it is he will be in the books?

I dunno about the other. He isn't Stark or even northern born, regardless of his relation through marriage and his fealty to Robb.

No, the GoW is northern born, a Stark bannerman of old, and someone who knows Winterfell very well.

I don't much like Blackfish for his prejudice and ignorance against Jon, so I could be biased. The whole prejudice against bastards is tiresome and ignorant and it annoys me whenever I read some character bemoaning the lack of character in bastards. Ramsay is a sociopath but not because he was born a bastard.

Still, being a bastard is a major theme and demands attention...even bastard swords. (Jon, Long Claw Sansa/Alayne, Daemon Blackfyre, Blackfyre, Bittersteel, Brynden Rivers, Gendry, Ramsay, etc.)

Even Cersei's children are/were bastards, of sorts - for she and Jaime were not married and their conception was treason.

Some people think it Harwin or Reed or one of the Glovers (Galbart/Robett). Some think it Theon's imagination.

I like to think the GoW is real...or real enough. Course, who it is in the books may not be who it is on the show. If the character even makes it to the show.

[wickerwoman]

86. I missed Greatjon Umber in this episode though

I'm hoping the next one opens with him taking down some Freys.

In the books there are lots of little awesome side battles and hero moments but in the show it's all from a distance and weirdly from Walder Frey's perspective.

Would like to see the Northmen getting at least a little of their own back.

[Hayabusa]

62. Timeliest piss break ever

[Xyzse]

55. So some people in the boards in HBO are complaining about

The same thing people who read the books complained about in regards to not getting close to any character.
I still say Long Live the Dwarf!

But that's just me.

[ellisonz]

57. Grah...

[NewJeffCT]

58. The top 100 tweets on last night's Game of Thrones

http://io9.com/the-100-best-tweets-about-last-nights-game-of-thrones-511003444

[NewJeffCT]

59. Game of Thrones episode forces plane to make emergency landing

pretty funny

http://amymarie97.tumblr.com/post/52027265420/breaking-news-game-of-thrones-episode-forces

[nolabear]

63. I am getting an insane amount of delight from all this. I feel so mean.

I'll bet HBO and Martin are dancing for joy.

[Solly Mack]

68. Those are funny.

[Duer 157099]

70. Heh, here's my favorite:

"Why doesn't George R.R. Martin use twitter? Because he killed all 140 characters."

I remember feeling all those kinds of emotions when I read the books. I'm surprised at how many people are watching the show but haven't read the books. Then they'd be properly prepared.

[sharp_stick]

60. That Argus Filch

is a smarmy son of a bitch no matter the fantasy world he lives in.

[warrior1]

71. Ok guys

I finally broke down and got the books. I'll have to wait for A Dance of Dragons come out in paperback in October.

Having seen the show it's easier to follow the characters in the story. I think I might have gotten lost with the deep history. Less time on the internet. Well that's a plus.

[NewJeffCT]

74. You're still getting more characters in the books

In the books, Daario Naharis was one of 3 captains of the Stormcrows, one mercenary company, with Sallor the Bald and Prendahl na Ghezn. The Second Sons were commanded by Mero, the Titan's Bastard, and their second in command was Brown Ben Plumm. So, you have 5 men condensed to 3, and 2 mercenary companies combined into one.

Similarly, there are 3 Tyrell sons in the books - Willas, the eldest, Garlan the middle, and Loras, the youngest. However, there is only one Tyrell on the show - Loras.

[Yavin4]

77. Don't forget the two Frey brats with Roose Bolton

Man, I hate the Freys. When George RR Martin was a kid, he probably was bullied by a family called Freys.

[NewJeffCT]

79. Somebody on Facebook

Commented that he needed to change his name, which was Frey.

[MuseRider]

83. That is a good idea.

I read them all on my very old Kindle that makes it very hard to move back and forth to look at the family pages etc. when you get confused. I am going to buy the books so I can do that and hopefully catch some things I missed the first time around.

[nolabear]

81. There's a hysterical article in The Onion but I can't get it to link.

Purportedly by Martin, who had forgotten what was about to happen and was as freaked out as anybody.

[Jamastiene]

87. Does this link work?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/

[nolabear]

90. That's it! Thanks!

[sharp_stick]

91. That's hilarious

I really like the last line:

"At any rate, holy shit! I almost don’t want to see what I do next week. All I know is Tyrion better not get killed, because if he dies I’m done with this show, man. Done."

I think I said something like that after the episode and I read the damned book years ago too.

[NewJeffCT]

92. and, of course, Hitler finds out about the Red Wedding