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Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:35 AM Jun 2013

After 15 years in my industry....working for a position that opens once a decade...I didn't get it.

I really have no one to talk to about this. So I figured I'd unload on DU.

After working to being the Senior Production Manager in my region for 15 years, the position became available. I'm basically the Junior Production Manager in region. Senior pays about 80-100k a year. Junior pays $19/hr. In the six years I've been in management, last year was the first year I surpassed 20k. I had a second job all those six years in order to be in that "queue" when the position opened.

The way my industry used to be, you sacrificed and made shitty pay for years, and when the Senior guy left, you were rewarded as the Junior guy by being given the job. That's how it's gone for 40 years. I'm friends with my boss that's leaving...and very close friends with the guy before him that left 13 years ago. My boss has had the position since. I'm good friends with the son of the guy who left 25 years ago. And that's the three guys for the last 40 years.

In concert production, relationships are king. It's what gives you your value. I interviewed for the position...lost out to a guy that wants to transfer him and his family out from Philadelphia. Now the corporate overlords tell me they want me to give this guy all the introductions to all my connections and make sure he gets to know them well and that they accept him. :rollseyes:.

Corporate boss (guy from operations...from the box office originally and was one of two doing the hiring process) tells me yesterday at a show I'm running. I interviewed with him. He laid it all out for me. "We'd like to keep you at your venue (a venue I love and brought back from the production grave and turned into a lean mean tip top production machine) and you'll get more shows as PM (I started out there as stage manager taking a pay cut for the opportunity to finally get in line for a position I wanted since my first day in production). This guy will take a few shows there, but most will be yours."

"How about a pay raise to show me you guys are being sincere?".

"That's not in the books right now. But when the new guy gets here, we need you to get him up to speed.".




















I feel like putting a gun in my mouth.

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After 15 years in my industry....working for a position that opens once a decade...I didn't get it. (Original Post) Buddyblazon Jun 2013 OP
The wife and I have been living on the financial edge for those 6 years... Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #1
Shhh In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #3
I'm the first junior guy in 40 years not to be given the position... Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #4
That sucks but you are still not a failure. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #5
you didn't fail, you were done in. RILib Jun 2013 #12
Life really sucks some times! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2
Sounds like it's time to look for something else alarimer Jun 2013 #6
Yeah, contact a headhunter Capn Sunshine Jun 2013 #21
ditto TeamPooka Jun 2013 #22
YOU didn't fail, They did! Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2013 #7
You are a better person than I am. cliffordu Jun 2013 #8
How COULD they? That is just horrible. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #9
...What California Peggy said!!!! Demoiselle Jun 2013 #10
what Peggy said x 3. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #11
X 4. Hope you find something else. nt raccoon Jun 2013 #14
Thank you everyone... Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #13
loyalty. A rare thing these days. Hope it all works out for you, Buddyblazon. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #15
I absolutely promise you one thing. There will be a time in the future when everything is great. okaawhatever Jun 2013 #16
Thank you very much.. Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #18
You're not moving backwards. It may seem that way, but in an industry where contacts and reputation okaawhatever Jun 2013 #19
Thank you again.. Buddyblazon Jun 2013 #20
Do you want some advice? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #17
"But when the new guy gets here, we need you to get him up to speed." and you should respond... TeamPooka Jun 2013 #23
 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
1. The wife and I have been living on the financial edge for those 6 years...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:40 AM
Jun 2013

She and I agreed the opportunity was too great. It was a position I could have until retirement.

Now we're both 40. Delayed having a child. The hope was to get this position and work on having a baby immediately.

What a sucker and a chump I am. My wife works graveyards and won't be home for another hour.

How the hell am I supposed to look her in the eye? Tell her I failed? After the sacrifice she made...and I came up short on my end of the stick.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
4. I'm the first junior guy in 40 years not to be given the position...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:50 AM
Jun 2013

when the senior guy leaves.

Not much more fail than that.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
5. That sucks but you are still not a failure.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jun 2013

Who knows what the bosses are thinking.
Start looking for a new company. The ones you liked and respected left for some very good reason that you didn't know about.

 

RILib

(862 posts)
12. you didn't fail, you were done in.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jun 2013

Get working on that baby, and I hope you find another job before you have to give any info to the new guy at all.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
21. Yeah, contact a headhunter
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jun 2013

there's other companies doing what you guys are doing. Sounds like they don't appreciate you anyway. You should ask your friends for some brutally honest assessments and their theories about why you did not get this position.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
7. YOU didn't fail, They did!
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jun 2013

Everything in your head, and all those contacts.. you own them. Share just enough to keep the peace, and mine those contacts for a better job.

The hardest part is getting over the myth that if you work hard you will be rewarded with a better position. That's just not the truth in most jobs nowadays.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,727 posts)
9. How COULD they? That is just horrible.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

Get going!

Make that baby. Find a new, better job. You have time!

Those people are unworthy, big time, of you and your abilities and talents.

FUCK THEM. And not in a good way.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
13. Thank you everyone...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:38 PM
Jun 2013

I took a ride around the front range today here in Colorado. Stopped at my mentors venue (they were hosting the Shriners Circus...had to give him some ribbing on that one). He's shocked. Unfortunately they company he works for and our main competitor don't have openings. But he gave me a dozen ways to fuck them good. lol

Then went up to Boulder to see a younger guy who looks up to me and a show he was PMing. He may have been more pissed than me.

Somehow the crew at Red Rocks Amphitheater got the news. Called me earlier in the day. Asked me not to quit. Told me, "Don't leave. We need you on that end. Fuck that new guy...every show we do for him, we suddenly got slower and dumber. How does a couple extra grand on every labor bill for every show he does up here sound?".

I basically got the word from several contacts in the region that because I'm not the guy, they want to make this guys work life miserable. How's that for loyalty?

I tried to warn this dumb corporate suits about relationships on the production side. There is a reason the system is the way it is. Production is like family. You fuck with one of us, you fuck with all of us.

Made me feel better anyway. Still depressed as hell though. Really makes me question every decision I've ever made in my professional life.

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
16. I absolutely promise you one thing. There will be a time in the future when everything is great.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jun 2013

When your life is exactly as you want it to be. When everything just seems to make sense. When that happens, you'll realize that you wouldn't be there if you hadn't been here. You'll realize that going through this part of your life was necessary to get you where you need to be. I absolutely promise you that.
You're not a failure and the time wasn't wasted. You have experience, connections, and proof of your loyalty and capabilities. Thank God (or karma, or fate whatever you call it) that you're learning now that you're working for a bunch of d-bags. These people aren't good employers. You can't be working for an excellent employer if you're working for a bad one. Don't let this experience make you feel like you're less than, or not worthy or anything else. Total losers get great jobs. Total d bags run companies. This didn't happen because you're not deserving of it. I don't know why you didn't get it, but it doesn't matter. You can get the job you want. That's all there is to it. YOU decide what you're worth. You'd be surprised how if you ask for something, how likely you are to get it. Once you get through the shitty feelings, start networking. There's a lot of jobs for people in your industry. I live in Nashville, and I've known people who were stage managers, tour managers, booking agents, etc and they made good money. There are a lot of jobs where they can use your skills. Don't stop asking until you find exactly what you want. Get a recommendation letter from every person that has come through your amphitheater.
All that being said: the company you work for has proven to you they can't be trusted. Be careful about believing what they say about your getting shows, etc. Remember the fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

p.s. I hear there's a job opening in Philly.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
18. Thank you very much..
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jun 2013

Your words mean much.

As I said earlier, my wife works graveyards. I told her this morning when she got home from work.

She just woke up, came into the living room, and said to me, "I never expected us to moving backwards in life.".

Just crushed my heart.

okaawhatever

(9,469 posts)
19. You're not moving backwards. It may seem that way, but in an industry where contacts and reputation
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

are everything, you've got both. It may take some time to pan out, but it will. Start looking for the job you want tomorrow. Don't look for the job you have. One thing about hiring people I've noticed is that my fellow managers and bosses were hiring from outside our store a lot. I finally realized that they were always looking for something "better" than what they had, and were more easily impressed with someone they only met for two hours than they were with those they saw every day. Especially when they often took credit for things they didn't necessarily do.
I will not underestimate how important it is for you to realize the kind of company you work for. It's not just that they didn't give you a heads up that you weren't in line for the promo, they're unwilling to commit to you how many shows you'll get, etc. That's not how a really good company operates.
Also, every successful business person had a few setbacks. All of them much worse than yours. Sam Walton had two stores fail before walmart. Col Sanders had many restaurants close or go bankrupt, I think he was sixty before he started to get successful. Steve Jobs was pretty much fired from his job as ceo of Apple. (He didn't make his first billion at Apple. He made it from the job he took when the board voted him out. DreamWorks studio. Life is full of bad stuff happening, it's what you do with it.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
17. Do you want some advice?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:20 PM
Jun 2013

I know you're just venting, but the reaction from your production crews is very encouraging. If you can bring yourself to be as gracious as possible in the meantime, perhaps you'll be in a good position to finally get that job when Mr. Big Stuff from Philly falls on his face.

TeamPooka

(24,264 posts)
23. "But when the new guy gets here, we need you to get him up to speed." and you should respond...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 01:43 PM
Jun 2013

"That's not in the books right now."
and go work for their number one competitor.
They don't care about you, you should not care about them.


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