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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:42 PM Jul 2013

The Vatican and the Sistine Chapel...

Last edited Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Contrary to what we had been told, once we got into the Sistine Chapel, we were allowed a very brief moment to take some pictures. This is the only one I was quick enough to get:



The justly famous Pieta by Michelangelo:



The School of Athens, by Rafael:



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The Vatican and the Sistine Chapel... (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 OP
Beautiful pictures, Peggy OhioChick Jul 2013 #1
Thanks, CalPeg. Aristus Jul 2013 #2
How the greats managed to work stone to look like silk... Locut0s Jul 2013 #23
Thank you so much for posting. HappyMe Jul 2013 #3
thank you for sharing these Peggy - Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #4
This is my favorite detail from The Last Judgment. rug Jul 2013 #5
Thanks, everybody! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #6
and the catholic church claims to care for the poor PeppinoImpastato Jul 2013 #7
Amazing! lunatica Jul 2013 #8
That is a GREAT photo of the Pieta! joeybee12 Jul 2013 #9
I'm an atheist Nevernose Jul 2013 #10
Wow that's uncalled for... Locut0s Jul 2013 #22
Me thinks; greiner3 Jul 2013 #28
the beauty of something created by man PeppinoImpastato Jul 2013 #11
How beautiful! femmocrat Jul 2013 #12
I would imagine that Callalily Jul 2013 #13
GREAT WORK, CalPeg! elleng Jul 2013 #14
Bravo and thank you. rurallib Jul 2013 #15
wow! Kali Jul 2013 #16
It's usually a ban on flash photography... Locut0s Jul 2013 #20
Follow the money jpn.best Jul 2013 #27
Absolutely stunning Rowdyboy Jul 2013 #17
Beautiful, my dear CaliforniaPeggy! UrbScotty Jul 2013 #18
Fantastic Peggy, brings back good memmories... Locut0s Jul 2013 #19
I want to thank all of you for your comments... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #21
Feel better fast! Kali Jul 2013 #24
Did you tromp up to the top of the cupola? Fantastic views of Rome from there.... MADem Jul 2013 #25
No, we didn't do that. I wouldn't have been able to anyway, with this cold. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #30
It's a bit of a trek...claustrophoblic as well. MADem Jul 2013 #31
Yikes! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #33
I'm at the stage where I like the virtual tours, myself! MADem Jul 2013 #34
Wow, we were told absolutely NO photography in the chapel. There were sinkingfeeling Jul 2013 #26
I have no idea... CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #29
I used to wander through there every time I went in to Rome, pretty much... MADem Jul 2013 #32
The Sistine Chapel is amazing Taverner Jul 2013 #35
I was there on 9/11/06 LittleGirl Jul 2013 #36
the Pieta is the most amazing piece of art I've ever seen cbdo2007 Jul 2013 #37
What struck me was how much smaller it was in person... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #38
LOL SunSeeker Jul 2013 #41
Wonderful pics, Peggy! Brigid Jul 2013 #39
Oh Damn, my dear Brigid! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2013 #40
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #42
This is a very interesting, albeit dry, book about the Sistine Chapel Hestia Jul 2013 #43

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
2. Thanks, CalPeg.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013

I've always thought of the 'Pieta' as a singularly stunning, moving piece of work. It's the only piece by Michelangelo that he ever signed, and no wonder; he was afraid some other sculptor would get the credit.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
23. How the greats managed to work stone to look like silk...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jul 2013

Always floored me. I saw the Pieta as well as David and other works in museums in Italy and Paris and this aspect always stunned me about the sculptures.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
6. Thanks, everybody!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jul 2013

I apologize for not being able to correct the orientation of the Last Judgment. I don't know why I can't correct it to show properly, but I can't...

You'll just have to turn your heads!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. That is a GREAT photo of the Pieta!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

The two times I was at the Sistene Chapel (about 10 years ago) no photos were allowed at all...of course, you could see all these people holding cameras down by their waist and pointing up! Maybe the change was they knew people would try, so let them take one and get it out of their systems!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
10. I'm an atheist
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 05:57 PM
Jul 2013

But if anything could get me to convert, it would be the beauty of the Sistine Chapel. The Vatican itself is a work of art I never thought possible until I walked through it. I'm so glad you got to go!

(But if you go back, watch out for the cameras! I watched the Swiss Guard stomp a guy's camera, saw it with my own two eyes)

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
22. Wow that's uncalled for...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

However I also know how much of an asshole some tourists can be so maybe the guy was asking for it? If it wasn't explicitly clear I always asked before taking pics if it was allowed.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
28. Me thinks;
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

Your professed atheism is on shaky ground regardless of your statement "But if anything could get me to convert, it would be the beauty of the Sistine Chapel."

 

PeppinoImpastato

(21 posts)
11. the beauty of something created by man
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jul 2013

would be more likely to make you believe in god? does that not strike you as a bit ridiculous?

Kali

(55,014 posts)
16. wow!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jul 2013

surprising about the photography in this day and age - maybe they figure people would just be trying to sneak them anyway.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
20. It's usually a ban on flash photography...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jul 2013

Flashes are extremely bright and over years it can damage the surface of paintings. Since it's so hard to enforce the no flash only rule they often just extend it to no photography in general.

 

jpn.best

(8 posts)
27. Follow the money
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jul 2013

While photography is banned because of the danger of flash to the art; it is also banned so that you have to buy a photo of the Chapel from the Vatican souvenir shop or from a post card; not unlike not being to bring your own popcorn or snacks into a movie or ball game because if you did, concession stands could not charge inflated prices.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
19. Fantastic Peggy, brings back good memmories...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jul 2013

Our trip to Italy was one of our best Vacations in recent years, I hope the same is true for you. I remember the Sistine Chapel and Pieta well. I have pictures of the Pieta somewhere but not as good as yours! I had a crappy camera at the time. Sadly when I was in the Sistine Chapel I believe they did forbid us to take pictures. Or perhaps it was just flash photography. I had a difficult time at times making myself understood in museums that said no flash photography. I was going to use my camera without the flash which would have been fine but they didn't understand and just strictly said no.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
21. I want to thank all of you for your comments...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

Normally, I would answer each one of you, but right now I can't. I am fighting off a lousy cold/cough and I have so little energy...

Be sure I am reading all the comments!

Kali

(55,014 posts)
24. Feel better fast!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:37 AM
Jul 2013

be careful - my friend's mom had some problems after a flight this spring - I am sure you know the types of problems that can happen. I am sure it is just a travel cold and you will be fine in couple days, though.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. Did you tromp up to the top of the cupola? Fantastic views of Rome from there....
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

Years ago, you could hang out on the lower roof--they don't let people do that any more.

The gift shop used to be hilarious--some of the "tourist stuff" there was Over The Top. The Musical Vatican that spun around and played "Arrivederci Roma" was one of the articles that I found most amusing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. It's a bit of a trek...claustrophoblic as well.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:51 PM
Jul 2013

One's shoulders press up against the wall as you climb, because the stair gets smaller and smaller--and it's a real "Stairmaster" too. I went up there years ago with a video camera and took pictures of the panorama. I have no idea what I did with the tape!!!

I found a trek plopped up by some kid on YOUTUBE--it is a good representation of the climb (the music is a bit 'eh' but whatever):

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. I'm at the stage where I like the virtual tours, myself!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jul 2013

If I find myself in Roma again, I don't think I'd repeat the experience--too much effort! The views are brilliant, though, I will say.

sinkingfeeling

(51,460 posts)
26. Wow, we were told absolutely NO photography in the chapel. There were
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jul 2013

guards there to enforce it. Did the change in Popes cause the rule change? I was there in 2010.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
29. I have no idea...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jul 2013

It might have been a special arrangement between our group people and the guards. There isn't much consistency in the rule enforcement, I think.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. I used to wander through there every time I went in to Rome, pretty much...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

and I remember the No Photography admonitions as well. That didn't stop me, I used to keep a piece of black electrician's tape over the red "on" button on my old video camera, so I could turn it on and sort of aim it while appearing to have it slung over my shoulder in a sack. I got some great shots of the Sistine ceiling, as I remember!

I used to eat lunch on the roof of the place, right near the feet of the left-most saint. It was easy to hop over the parapet and sit in the roof gutter and enjoy the views of the square below. Sometimes I'd have a little nap. Can't do that shit anymore!

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
35. The Sistine Chapel is amazing
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:08 PM
Jul 2013

I saw it and cannot begin to tell you how much in awe I was. It looked so real...the perspective, the everything.

And to think Mike did it by candlelight, only inches from the ceiling.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
36. I was there on 9/11/06
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jul 2013

and we had to wait 3 hrs in the security line simply because of the date (5 yr anniversary of 9/11). Our tour guide said that that was the longest time she'd ever had to wait to enter the city walls. That wait caused us to nearly run through the tour because we were headed to other spots that afternoon. sigh. So anyway, they said, absolutely no photos but one of the group had a video camera (no flash) and took all kinds of video inside the chapel. I had a new camera so my photos of the interior of St. Pete's were terrible. And the glass walls around the pieta made a glare so that photo isn't very good either. Yours are great! Good work!

I've been sick all week too so I hope you feel better. I'm in the coughing fit stage of recovery. Be well! Cheers.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
37. the Pieta is the most amazing piece of art I've ever seen
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jul 2013

Seeing it in person literally brought tears to my eyes. I couldn't stop staring at it. Just amazing. The Sistine Chapel was kind of disappointing to me just because I didn't feel relaxed enough to enjoy it after the long walk to get there and the crowds and it was surprisingly loud so I was just sort of annoyed by it, but it is beautiful as well.

Wonderful pictures! Thank you for sharing!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
38. What struck me was how much smaller it was in person...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jul 2013

That,...and the "creation of the sun and the moon" gave me a chuckle....

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
43. This is a very interesting, albeit dry, book about the Sistine Chapel
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.amazon.com/The-Sistine-Secrets-Michelangelos-Forbidden/dp/B003B6532U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373721545&sr=8-1&keywords=secrets+of+the+sistine+chapel

The Sistine Secrets: Michelangelo's Forbidden Messages in the Heart of the Vatican

(Of course, NOW it is on sale, I paid full price)

A lot of the artwork was covered up by soot and debris, and it wasn't until the ceiling was restored that people really started to see what was painted. It's never been as good as it it now.

Did you know that there is an angel mooning the pope over the entryway that the pope enters from? His bum is as plain a day

About the Author
Rabbi Benjamin Blech is an internationally recognized educator, religious leader, author, and lecturer. A recipient of the American Educator of the Year Award, he has been a professor of Talmud at Yeshiva University since 1966. He is the author of eleven books and has written for the New York Times, Newsweek, and Newsday. He lives in New York City.
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