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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsAre you above or below "Average" Height? And how do you think that has affected you in your life?
Curious, because I am a 6'1" woman, who's been though all the agony of instant masculine rejection, subjected to all the same stupid comments ("do you play Basketball?" "How did you get so tall?" most of my life, and where I used to curse my height, I also understand how beneficial it's been for me. I'm sure I'm liberal because of it: Not the custom mold, so I was forced into critical thinking and questioning the social tenets.
It's a superficial, visual world we live in. People size you up, and immediately want to pigeonhole you--so if you're not "normal" (anything from being too tall or too short, to being a different race.) you're judged and stereotyped. Now, I know the issues I had as a kid (I've been this height since 1969, and THAT was fun, lemme tell you!) are still the same issues young tall women have today. Meh. Slow learning curve, I guess. And as I speak to my friends of all different heights and sizes, I see a whole subtext of prejudice: Sizism, possibly? And just wondering what everyone has come up against because of it.
Feel free to rant away!
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)But, still it is another barrier to being taken seriously--especially in a male dominated setting. It seems our society really values height in general. Of course in women, both very tall and very short women may face inordinate obstacles--especially if they do not likewise have the physical attributes that men prize.
Any men that want to take great umbrage at this (and my decades of personal experience re:the issue) really needn't. My point is not to insult men, but to point out a fact--a trend that has long existed in our culture.
Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)And, I was recently hired by a very large corporation despite my height (and age).
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)Never said it was an absolute, but certainly a barrier, especially in male-dominated fields.
I like to think that I, as you have been able to conquer that and other obstacles.
Grateful for Hope
(39,320 posts)how we think of ourselves. Also, I am in a male-dominated field (programming and development).
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)insulting, but it would be easy for me to conclude you are. The barriers I faced in my life were shared by others of my circles. Surely not ALL of us faced it merely because of "poor self image"....
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(39,320 posts)MuseRider
(34,108 posts)Not anything really except there are a lot of very uncomfortable waiting rooms where if I actually sit back in the chair my feet don't touch the floor or my legs stick out from the edge
Most things are made for people taller than I am but it is relatively easy to work around.
I can imagine it is much harder for a very tall woman and for what it is worth I am really hardly considered abnormal just a shorty and that is not bad at all.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)all the aunts treated her like she was disabled.
"Will she ever find a man?" Was oft heard.
I drifted away from that branch of the family so I don't know how she ended up, but I always thought she had her head screwed on far more securely than the aunts, and most of the uncles, too. When you stick out, for whatever reason, you have to deal with it, and she was the sort of person who seemed like she could deal with just about anything.
I have met women taller than me, and I have to confess thinking "Now what do I do?" if it wasn't business or something else nonsexual. I suspect that's at least partly due to the way we're used to "fitting" together when we get together, but mostly due to the unfamiliarity of it all. And those stares that make everyone uncomfortable.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)My mother's friend took one look at me and my chubby sis, then declared: "you can put that one on a diet. Don't know what you're gonna do with the beanpole."
Nice. But by the time I was a cognizant, counter-culture teenager in the 70s all those ideas were being challenged. I was very happy not to act helpless and fragile, cuz there is NO WAY I would've ever pulled that off! At almost 60, I am still strong and athletic. I'm pretty sure I have my height to thank for that!
marzipanni
(6,011 posts)when I was born.
I used to be 5'7", now a bit shorter. The thing I'm thankful for, is that women's feet are, on average, also larger! I wear size 9 (sometimes 9.5 after having a kid) and until ~twenty years ago that size was often the high end of the size scale unless one went to a specialty shoe store.
In the early '80s, my friend, also a size 9 and W to boot , and I went to a "women's large sizes shoe store" in San Francisco.
It was fun trying on shoes among the men, whose taste was far flashier than ours!
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I never received any guff about it, ever.
But, I was only 3 in 1969 - maybe it was less of a big deal in my generation? As an aside, though most women I encounter are much shorter than I am, I regularly see younger women my size or taller (in a college town).
My 12 y.o son is 6' tall (much larger than his peers), but my daughter is barely 5' (at age 10). I can't figure out where she gets her diminutive size. I kinda hope she has a growth spurt and ends up at least 6'.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is not short for a girl. My daughter is age 10 and 5'0" tall and everybody thinks she is tall for her age.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)But most of the girls in her class are pretty much the same size, so I figured she was average.
She does have really small feet, compared to her classmates, though. She wears a 3, while most of her peers wear women's 7 or 8 shoes (I wear an 8, for pete's sake!). I don't know where all the big feet are coming from! LOL
pink-o
(4,056 posts)Which explains your being 6'. I'm glad you never felt self-conscious; I want to see younger women raise a big middle finger to any height prejudice!
And as for your daughter: well, I was about 5'1" at aged 10, and by the time I was 12 I was 5'8". By 14, I had reached my full height, and was told that's usually the growth spurt for girls. For the most part, it takes the boys longer to catch up. (And don't I remember those days!)
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)But by 8th grade, several of them passed me.
My ancestors are from Sweden and Norway (some Welsh in there somewhere), and my immediate family is pretty tall. My gramma was 5'6 in the 1920s, and my mom was 5'8 (she's now about 5'5 at age 83).
The women in my husband's family are tall, too (mom 5'9 and sister 5'11), so it's more mysterious to me why our daughter seems to be closer to average height. I am glad that she has a medium build, rather than being big & bulky (because I think kids can be unkind to heavy kids). Our son does have a big build, along with his height (6' 200#), but he's built like a linebacker, so kids don't bug him about his size.
I wonder...living in a college town, I know there are a good number of tall athletes around campus, so it's not unusual to see tall women. Maybe that makes a difference. (My daughter's softball trainer is an all-conference pitcher in her mid-20s, and I feel puny next to her).
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, I think short men tend to have problems as well. Short women and tall men usually do not have the height related social problems. Psychologically, a short woman is often considered "more feminine" and a tall man is often thought of as "more masculine." Of course, there are exceptions both ways as well.
At work, I have not noticed it as much, as I've seen very successful women that are very short or very tall. My wife has a friend that is barely 5'0" tall, but is a VP of one of the 50 largest corporations out there - and she "only" in her late 30s. And, I remember when I was younger, the two women that led my department at the time were both quite tall - in the 5'8" to 5'10" range, which is very unusual in CT, but maybe not in California or the other parts of the West Coast.
I've seen a lot of shorter men do well at work, and men of average height to slightly above average. Oddly, I can't recall many high level men that were very tall to the point where they stood out (6'4" or taller) for their heights, and I'm in my mid 40s now and have worked for several corporations, some very large, others not so big.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'm sure it's helped me overall.
Throd
(7,208 posts)sakabatou
(42,152 posts)I'm taller than all of my brothers.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)people look down on short folks - literally, and socially.
they also pat them on the head and pick them up off the ground.
home builders never take into consideration that a shower head placed 7' up the shower wall & cupboards hanging from 10' high ceilings are a pain in the neck for short and even averaged height folks. i never fold up the step stool in my kitchen because it gets used every day.
so, lets just say every day begins with many, many, many reminders that others have NO consideration for short people.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)I have noticed that is the one infuriating thing about how society treats short women, like they can't be taken seriously and need constant male protection. I would rather deal with hitting my head on doorways and never finding clothes long enough than hearing someone say I'm so cute when I'm angry. Cuz believe me: there is nothing cute about me when I get pissed!
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)which is a bit taller than average. However I've shrunk a little since getting older, and am now a little over 5'6".
Back in college days a couple of guys refused to date me because they thought I was too tall for them.
Don't these short guys ever realize that if they stick with shorter women, their kids will end up short too?
My older daughter is a shade under 5'11" and the younger is 5'6".
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)His wife was 5'11". One time they were visiting and one our family friends was there and she was 4'11'. Anyway, my uncle said "I like Agnes because I like my women tall", and Ruth likes me because she likes her men tall". Ruth was ok with it. Her husband is 6'.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)At 5' 11", I'm way above average male height in Mexico where I grew up. I used to walk with knees slightly bent just to blend in.
In the US, I'm average.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)than never to have loved a t all
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)My grandpa always said I'd marry a tall guy. I did.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)one married a guy that is like 5'4" and the other married a guy that is like 6'2" or 6'3"
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)U.S. men, 5'9 1⁄2"
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Only occasionally have I met blatant anti-short guy prejudice, and I have met it, but this and a million other things have affected me, of course.
At one point about 25 years ago, I was considering looking for a match in personal ads. As I looked through the ads of what women were looking for in a man, the most common adjective was "affluent", closely followed by "tall". I literally marked the the newspaper ads in pencil with A's and T's, and it was covered.
I decided this would not be my route to finding a relationship. I never did well in clubs, either. I did best where I could just sit down and talk to people.
Size is a common prejudice, and an accepted one. No one questions it, either. Why must a man be taller than a woman?
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)And guys think it is most awesome.
I didn't like being so tall when I was younger, but now guys dig it. I get constant compliments on my legs. Plus, when you're a tall woman, you are usually thin.
And I will wear heels occasionally. I'm pretty laid back, so flip flops and Cons work for me.
I'm dating a guy that is 6'4" right now.
I don't even care to remember any mean comments from when I was younger. It's in the past.
I hope that you are now comfortable in your own skin.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)My mama used to say you finally get comfortable in your own skin just when it's beginning to sag.
You gotta love yourself!
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)Well below average. It has it's plusses and minuses. It's the norm to me and I've never used it as a reason for success or failure, but on the other hand, it's a very real thing. I'm sure it's caused me to be discriminated against, both socially and professionally. But it's also allowed me to be unnoticed and inconspicuous, which can be an advantage sometimes. I'm rarely accused of starting trouble, and I had to develop the ability of talking my way out of confrontations rather than winning them. This is a good skill to have. I'm sure I've talked my way out of more fights than most big guys have won.
I'm sure a majority of women prefer tall men, but there's no shortage of women shorter than me, although I dated many who were taller. We play life with the hand we're dealt. I wasn't born tall, but many are less happy in life than me. If a Genie in a bottle gave me three wishes, being taller would not be on the list.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)me I was short. I was usually the shortest in the class. Driving the big, gas-guzzling cars
of the era, I had the seat moved up as far as it would go and I could barely see over the steering wheel.
Plus a lot of things were just too big/too high for me.
Having said that, I don't think short women have it near as bad as short men do, but it's still a pain.
It doesn't matter now that I'm an "active adult."
Bucky
(54,003 posts)Okay, not that short. I'm 5'7" but I've got a date with a six footer tonight and I think she might be wearing heels.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:29 PM - Edit history (1)
he said "when you're toes to toes your nose is in it, when you're nose to nose, your toes are in it."
kwassa
(23,340 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)but I must be very aware when she's up there... ceiling fans, doorways...
My dad is 6'8'' btw
olddots
(10,237 posts)I am neither big or tall but men's pants seem to all be 38 inch waist 30 inch length .
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)(5 foot ten, born in 1942.) My husband of more than 40 happy years was 5 foot six.A He was English, maybe that made a difference.
Anyway, both our children, boy and girl are tall..boy 6foot2 plus, girl, my height. It IS a superficial world, and I remember some painful moments in high school. But my husband and I had so much else to enjoy with each other that a slight awkwardness vis a vis ballroom dancing was not at all important.
I have but one comment for those who have to make note of your height.
Fuck 'em.
trof
(54,256 posts)I think it has generally been a benefit to me.
But not on airliners in a coach seat.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)And when I fly, I get the last seat open, so I have to psych myself out every time. I call it FWT, Flying While Tall.
But when I check passengers in, I always grab the tall ones and give 'em the legroom. Yeah, it's chauvinistic, but they have a real need!
trof
(54,256 posts)Bless you for giving tall folks a little more space.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)And I'm round, to boot. (Do NOT go there...)
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)they think women my weight are six feet tall. don't even get me started on trying to find pants that fit.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)I'm convinced women's clothing manufacturers are ther to reinforce all our insecurities and make us think there's something wrong with our bodies. I have to go into the men's department, especially for shirts, and I can tell you guys have it so much better! Even off the rack, men's clothes are proportioned, and accommodating to a body type. Women's garments are stuck with an arbitrary size label, and if we don't fit the dress we don't measure up.
Just another way to pummel us with sexism.
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)i need to find a store with a 'husky' section because those are the perfect fit for me.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)I own a lot of ladders.
fizzgig
(24,146 posts)don't think it's made a difference for me one way or the other. it was my weight that probably made more of a difference, i think i hit 200 at one point, but i avoided scales at that time in my life.
Boomerproud
(7,952 posts)I'm convinced that people (especially co-workers) have never taken me seriously.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I love tall women.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Five foot two female, small bones. Ring size 6-1/2. Parents were tall. Mom and grandmom had small bones too but they loomed over me and shook their fingers in my face. Had six foot two thin uncles on both sides of family. Dad was a big strong man of five foot eleven, 180 pounds.
Picked on constantly for being short in school and especially in P.E.
Walked off the softball field in disgust after the captain threw me out and I said "Good!" I refused to catch a softball because I was a musician. Didn't want to break my fingers.
Men and women both have intimidated me my whole life. Especially tall and loud ones. Some tall men enjoy harassing women and other men because they are tall enough to do so. A lot of people who are tall will literally not hear me when I look up and talk to them!!! I've been disrespected in my jobs and called "lazy" and "slow" more times than I can count.
Hate having to get a stool out to reach shelves. And I don't understand why men have to be tall to be attractive. I have been in very unequal relationships with tall men. My hubby is five foot seven and that suits me fine. He's short enough for me to hug comfortably. I think we are in an equal relationship.
I think short people are discriminated against. I once had a boyfriend whose mother had a Fiat convertible in the 1970s. They folded me up and put me in the rectangular luggage compartment behind the seats and in front of the folded up roof.
The good part is that I can stretch my legs on an airplane, but I stopped flying a few years ago because I got "Super Secret Special Scrutiny" in a different line with all brown men in it, for no particular reason and I'm white. Asked for a reason why in an FOIA request, and after a year the Feds said they could find no reason why I got SSSS, in their records.
I refuse to wear heels. Painful and dangerous.
I have to pay lots of money for shoes that are narrow enough for my bony little feet I inherited from Dad. Mostly I wear sneakers now, though.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I've always been the tall one. I'm much taller than either of my parents, so are my brothers.
I'm mostly attracted to very short women...like <5'3"
elleng
(130,895 posts)until, many years ago, only blue jeans that fit were in 'short' section! Now, I'm 'petite!'
No problems, socially, with this, I think.
Aristus
(66,328 posts)Neither has being bald. Life is good...
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)On her its a big advantage, she has the tall russian ballerina thing going so the height really works, i am just an inch or so taller so for us it works in many ways.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)Or is that also being "sizeist" since it's a stereotype as well?
As for myself I guess I'm a little tall, same height as you, but for a man that's only starting to get tall nowadays. I've been fat for a long time, though now I've lost most of the weight, and that caused me grief growing up.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)When my generation was in our 20s most men still expected their women to be small and fragile. If I was at a party or a bar or any potential meeting place, the guys would look around the room and immediately shut down when they saw me. Without exception, my shorter friends walked away with dates and I was left alone.
However...it was probably a blessing in disguise because on the rare occasions I did meet someone he was interesting and quirky and progressive enough not to be intimidated. I would have been bored 5 minutes into a relationship with some traditional man who was looking for "the little woman".
B Calm
(28,762 posts)guy was an asshole and would only do it when he had an audience of my co-workers to laugh along with him.
When I was young man, women were just as bad! They were always looking for the tall guy.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)It's leftover evolution, when the males had to protect their families, so the genetically larger dudes and smaller females were the first to be chosen.
Of course, that's didn't help either one of us when we got rejected!!!
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)But it's mostly through jealousy, I think.
I used to be devilishly cute. Now, at 47 with not a grey hair on my head, I'm just handsome.
I put on about 45 pounds during the recession but I've lost 30 of it and and the chicks are noticing.
Can't help if people think I'm too short to do things. They're wrong, of course.
Being short is normal for me and I've never thought of it as a disability. I'm respected and well liked by my peers and am only rarely treated dismissively.
I've dated women 4'11" and 6'1". And the taller guys I hang out with can't figure out why I can snag the hot women. I let them live in ignorance.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I never minded dating a woman as tall as myself at all... It's just that there were so few of them.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Now that I'm shrinking, most pants are too long.
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pink-o
(4,056 posts)Cuz this man is my biggest crush of all time.
Gigantic in all the ways that count!
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pipi_k
(21,020 posts)tall compared with other women, but I guess I'm taller than average at about 5' 8" or so, which is down from 5' 9", since I seem to have shrunk in the past 20 years.
Anyway, I am short-waisted, meaning that my legs were always very long.
Back before women's jeans came in varying lengths, I could get away with shopping for them in the mens department. I didn't have hips. They always fit great.
Then one day I grew an ass. Thankfully, around the time womens' jeans started to be offered in Tall sizes and I could buy a 34" inseam.
I always hated being tall. HATED it.
All the lame jokes...I probably don't need to mention what they were.
Plus, I always saw myself as a short person in a tall person's body.
AND...worst of all growing up...as a tall girl, I was somehow expected to act/behave older than my years while the shorter girls could be cute little elves.
Me...I was Godzilla...The Jolly Green Giant...a friend's dad called me "string bean"...my own father called me "spider". I slouched and was nagged at by my mother, who said I should "stand up straight".
When I was in elementary school, I think there was only one girl taller than I was.
So anyway, I was living with a guy who was a couple of inches shorter than I was, taller on top than on bottom. One day we decided to measure each other from waist to feet, then from waist to head, and then switched measurements...he got my leg measurements, I got his.
He ended up like 6'6" and I ended up about 5' 2" or something.
To this day, I still can't see over the steering wheel from being so short while sitting.
Freakishly long legs sucked.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It's never been an issue one way or the other.
I've seen "sizism" in action with tall women and short men.
Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)Not really a problem now, or the last dozen years anyway. Can't deny I wished I were a few inches taller in early adulthood, an important time for one's identity socially; dating and all that.
It took longer for me to grow to full height than most of my peers, not until my junior year in HS. Up till then I was signifigantly shorter than most males in my classes, and many females as well.
zanana1
(6,112 posts)It hasn't affected my life at all. Actually, when I was dating, I got both the short and the tall guys. Yay for me.
Precisely
(358 posts)these days who seem very comfortable and confident. Is it more accepted now? Young men are getting bigger too.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)I hope you are correct about the confidence factor, because I read a lot of tall women's blogs and groups in social media, and it seems that many of them have the same issues as I did. But you are correct about everyone getting larger: the ideal of my generation was Farrah and the resources for women like me were nonexistent. I remember hearing about how tall Audrey Hepburn was (at 5'7", oh, c'mon!) and I outgrew her by age 12.
Anyway, whatever adversity I've encountered by not fitting into a social norm has only made me stronger. It's good to be tall and healthy and emotionally past all the drama that used to stop me from enjoying it!
Precisely
(358 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)at monstrous height of 5 foot zero.
pink-o
(4,056 posts)love_katz
(2,579 posts)When I was younger, I was 5 feet, @ 2 inches.
Now, with age, I am @ 5 feet tall.
Being short has some disadvantages. I usually need a step stool or a ladder to reach items on upper shelves. Grocery shopping can be very frustrating, for this reason.
Like many people, I have been teased about my height, and have had taller people use me as something to lean on.
When you said that the makers of women's clothes seem mostly intent on humiliating us, I would HUGELY agree! Pants that fit my waist are usually wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too long for me.
Most of this kind of stuff is based in classism (prejudice based on your income level), as well as sexism (women are valued on how well we do or do not look like models and movie stars), ageism and looksism ( how well do you fit in with the current idea of a fashionable appearance). All of this kind of prejudice is based in the most superficial kind of values, and it sucks like a Hoover, to boot!
Socially, when I was younger, guys seemed to like it that I was short, but some people did treat me like they thought I must have no brains. (Um, yeah, like my IQ would be connected to my height. )
I really got a huge laugh from your Mom's comment, about how we don't start to become comfortable in our own skin until it starts to sag.
Some of this kind of stuff seems to be more indicative of the era we grew up in. I keep on hoping that the 'isms' and 'phobias' will finally be starved out in most people's hearts and minds, and receive the long-overdue burial with dishonor that they deserve.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but buying jeans is a pain. Regulars are too long and Petites are too short.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)My height is the one part of my body I can't complain about. I can wear heels or flats and still be fine.
I will complain about the rest of my body but never my height.