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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:51 PM Nov 2014

another problem neighbor problem -- wwyd?

I'll be visiting my post office tomorrow, and then the police to either file a 2nd harassment complaint or criminal charges (depending on what the PO says). The short story is last year he first replaced my mail box, which had been creamed by a snow plow, without my permission or authorization. Now, just the other day, he took out the post, put a platform on his post with his box on one side and "my" box (the one I never asked for or authorized) on the other side, this time adding my number to it. Again, without my permission or authorization.

This creep has been thorn in my side since he moved in 7 or 8 years ago, and I finally filed a trespassing complaint against him last summer, when he mowed part of my lawn. The cop upgraded it to harassment when I told him what happened with my horses

For the first 18 months after he moved in, his dogs were in my yard daily trying to bite me. Every day, I returned them to their enclosure. When I'd knock at his door, I could hear music blaring inside, but he wouldn't answer. For 18 months. The last couple times I mentioned to him that he needed to do something. He just smirked.

Then one day my goat slipped the gate and his girlfriend called animal control because my goat was grazing in my yard. Yes, MY yard. Not his yard. Not somebody else's yard. My yard. I had an animal control officer in my back yard and a cop parked in my driveway because my goat was in my own yard.

So that was the end of any attempt at neighborliness from me. 2 weeks later, he was running around our busy street trying to round up his own dogs.

The a couple years later, when I was in school doing 18 hour days and getting 5 hours sleep tops, he started getting up at 4am and laying on his truck horn while bellowing at his girlfriend. On the 3rd morning, I opened my door and yelled at him to knock it off because people were trying to sleep. I honestly didn't think he heard me. That day, I came home from school and found my pasture gate had been opened and pushed all the way through the heavy brush to the fence. My horses were cowering in the furthest, scariest corner of their pasture. Somebody clearly had tried to run them out the gate to the busy street.

Then, a couple years ago my dogs started disappeared for 15-20 minutes when I let them out for their last pee at night, and did the same thing the next morning. And then erupted with exploding, black diarrhea. So that night, I followed them. Somebody had left an intact (except for nibbles) moose-sized liver across my from my driveway on the edge of his front yard, luring my dogs across the busy street at a blind curve to his property. Then he complained to me, in front of his friends, about finding a picture of my dogs on his game camera.

Then he offered me cash for my house -- at half its market value. Which I think goes to motivation (the police think so too).

10 days after I had to put my elderly gelding down, I found a cigarette butt melted into the snow just outside of my pasture fence.

Then he started trying to befriend me. He mowed my lawn without my knowledge, permission or authorization -- and destroyed 2 dog tieouts in the process. That led me to call the police with my first trespassing and harassment complaint, and to put up "no trespassing" signs.

The mail box thing started after the "no trespassing" signs. His way of trespassing without trespassing. But tampering with mail is a federal offense, and even though I don't get my mail there, it appears as if he's trying to tamper with my mail.

It's creeping me out big time. I mind my own business. Why won't this loser creep fuck off and leave me alone. Oh, and did I mention he had the fucking gall to complain last summer that he can't tell if I'm home or not because I park in my garage?!?! Earth to asshole -- that's the idea. Why the fuck would I want to announce to you when I'm gone to make it easier for you to trespass...

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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
1. aha...it may be a misdemeanor, according to "justanswer.com" anyway...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:56 PM
Nov 2014

he can be fined or get up to 3 years in jail.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
2. get some friends to dress up like crazy cult people and pretend you are showing them the property
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:10 PM
Nov 2014

to use as their new compound.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
3. If you can convince the postal inspector it is tampering
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 01:00 AM
Nov 2014

Then your neighbor could be in serious trouble.

PROTECTING YOURSELF FROM MAILBOX VANDALISM

Rural area mailboxes are vulnerable to vandalism because they are usually isolated, located on public thoroughfares, and frequently not visible to the box owners from their homes. City residential mailboxes are vandalized to a lesser degree.

Mailboxes are considered federal property, and federal law (Title 18, United States Code, Section 1705), makes it a crime to vandalize them (or to injure, deface or destroy any mail deposited in them). Violators can be fined up to $250,000, or imprisoned for up to three years, for each act of vandalism.

Postal Inspectors recommend these actions to protect your mailbox and any mail that may be inside it:

Immediately report theft, tampering, or destruction of mail or mailboxes to your Postmaster. Or click here to report it to the Postal Inspectors online, or call 1-877-876-2455 (press 5).

Obtain Label 33 from the Postal Inspection Service and affix it to your mailbox. The sticker warns that willful damage to mailboxes and theft of mail are crimes.

Keep your mailbox in good repair, and make sure it’s properly installed. This may help prevent theft of the mailbox itself.

If you have information on mailbox vandalism, call the Postal Inspection Service to report it. Your cooperation helps apprehend violators. You may provide your information or complaints to your local postmaster or your nearest Postal Inspector.
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/tipvandl.htm


I recommend going to the site since there are several links embedded in the article for more information and to report tampering or vandalism.

I'd also NOT use the mailbox he put up - put your own box up, get a Label 33 from the Postal Inspection Service as recommended in the article. Talk with your mail carrier to make sure they know what is going on and so they will not put your mail in the box your neighbor provided. If you can, consider getting a lockable mailbox. I wouldn't trust him to not mess with your mail - and that can be proven, he's in a world of hurt.
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. I already get my mail at a PO Box
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 09:10 AM
Nov 2014

Every on when my 1st neighbors lived there, I witnessed a strange car (large, white luxury sedan) sitting by the 2 mailboxes. It looked like the passenger was reading something, possibly rifling through mail. I headed toward them and they raced off so fast I wasn't able to get their plates. We get a lot of tourists in this area, so at first I'd figured they were looking for directions, but racing off is not typical tourist behavior. 2 months later I discovered I'd never received a replacement for my now expired credit card.

So my box is unused, and never has been. I don't know if he thinks he's going to get my mail re-directed there or if he's just effing with my head.

I'm still going to report it to the post office and the police. Around here they won't do anything, but I want it on record that he did this without consulting me and without my permission.

Thank you for the links.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
9. Take a baseball bat to the mailbox that is "yours".
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 10:17 AM
Nov 2014

Unless you can put a lock on it or remove it yourself. He could be using it for identity theft or something nefarious.

Instruct the PO to never deliver your mail there.

He's trouble. I am mostly worried about your animals, though. You need to do something about their safety. Better locks, video cameras, more vigilance. Whatever it takes to keep him away from them.

I feel for you, MT. I lived next to a gun-totin', drunken psychopath for 17 years. He put us through hell. Now he is in hell. Good riddance.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
14. Same here - we use a PO Box for our important mail
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

Our box out on the road in this rural location is not visible from anywhere on our farm and is not secure.

Unfortunately, there are some agencies, government and private, that will not use the PO Box address even though the Post Office now requires that every PO Box be associated with a physical address. So a few things that are important end up in the street box - like driver's license renewals and other ID stuff that I really would prefer go to a secure location!

I'd report what he's doing. Whatever his motivation he did NOT have your approval to do anything at all with your mailbox or to put your number on a box he erected. Report him.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. Allow me to relate a somewhat relevant anecdote...
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 02:56 AM
Nov 2014

Years ago a local guy was annoyed by someone racing down the street knocking down mailboxes.

His answer was to trot down to the LIRR yard and secretly cut off a four or five foot length of rail from the ones stacked up there.

He buried the rail in concrete out where mailboxes should be, and welded a shiny new mailbox to the rail.

Then he waited. A week or so later he heard *pop* *pop*... BANG and went out to find #! son of a bigshot local lawyer looking puzzled over the damage to his pickup.

Soon enough he got the notice he was being sued by the local lawyer and took the notice down to the Post Office. Said lawyer then got a visit from the Postal Police and other Federal somebodies explaining to him just what were the penalties for interfering with the mail.

The lawyer bought him a new mailbox.




chemenger

(1,593 posts)
6. My suggestion ...
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 08:07 AM
Nov 2014

Do you have a couple of trusted friends (the bigger and more muscular the better), a large quilt or tarp, and a baseball bat? If so then I'm sure you can take it from here.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
11. I'll trade ya
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 10:37 AM
Nov 2014

Last edited Thu Nov 6, 2014, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)

My rural Maine neighbors....

Cut wood on my land - called Forest Rangers, got the money back.

Excavated my land for fill on their "private" road - which I owned (settled out of court).

Park their logging equipment on my land. (called cops)

Blocked their "private road" - on my land (called town office).

Came out and shot off guns in the air when I posted MY property (their's is posted of course).

Made harassing phone calls telling me to take down my no trespassing signs (LOL)

Tore down my no trespassing signs and threw them in my dooryard.

Got convicted drug dealers to drive on my lawn and threaten me (cops called).

Tried to run me off the road when I replaced the NT signs (cops called again)

ayuh

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
12. Like someone else
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 11:07 AM
Nov 2014

said, I'm also concerned about your animals, and what this psycho could do to them.

First thing I would do...actually have done already...is to install security cameras around the premises. I have decent neighbors who also live far enough away (closest house is maybe 1,000 feet away) so that's not a problem. We have cameras mainly to watch animals that wander into the yard, and strangers.


Night Owl is a pretty good system. We can see up to 8 areas on a monitor with the ability to switch between 2 more scenes inside the house. Also, we can access them via smartphone when we're away from home to see what's going on here. And the dvr will record everything and keep the evidence up to 30 days. I LOVE it. So that's 10 cameras with Night Owl, and then there are 2 more with a Foscam system. Not to mention motion lights and alarms. Not really expensive, and it's something you can start off small and keep adding to.

As for your mailbox...out here in the sticks some people have their rural mailboxes ruined by kids with bats, and snowplows, and people hitting them when there's ice on the roads. Some homeowners build a sort of "pillar" out of concrete and then set the mailbox inside. Immovable. Un-bashable.

For the unauthorized lawn mowing, I would put up some small hedges...or, if things were really bad, I would definitely consider a section of stockade fencing. Locks on all fences and gates.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. God hates me. I swear God hates me.
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 11:16 AM
Nov 2014

Nobody has been home all effing morning. So I took my camera and went over to get pictures of the mailboxes for the record.

As I'm standing there with my camera aimed, he fucking drives up.

What are the fucking odds? Days can go by and they're away all day. I go outside for 2 minutes, and fucking drives up.

Unwanted big confrontation. I told him it was against Federal law to tamper with a post office box. I told him I know he tried to run my horses into the street and I know he left the liver out to lure my dogs across the street. He denies everything. Re: mailbox says he was "trying to be nice."

He said I'm making things up. I told him to keep off my property and leave me alone.

Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
16. If the postman never uses your mailbox
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 01:45 PM
Nov 2014

and there's no chance of him or her touching it, wrap a chain around it and padlock the chain and then cover the lock in something unpleasant like cayenne pepper.

Padlock your pasture gate, too.

Don't let your dogs out unsupervised.

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