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Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:06 PM Nov 2014

How do we heal Socio/Psychopaths? Any answers?

http://paularenee.wordpress.com/identifying-a-narcissistic-sociopath/

They are power seekers, highly manipulative and controlling. They are attracted to positions of power. Thus they sit in our policy making centers making rules that shape our lives.

The man-made system in which we function was created, or at least usurped, by Socio/Psychopaths.
They are extremely unwilling to admit they have the affliction and highly resistance to treatment.

There are no proven treatments to heal people with the affliction of no higher human emotions, sane reasoning and internal behavioral moderation.

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How do we heal Socio/Psychopaths? Any answers? (Original Post) Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 OP
Gene therapy? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #1
a friends wife developed "acquired sociopathy from brain lesions" and became a completley different bettyellen Nov 2014 #6
Thanks, I'm reading the paper. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #7
elect them to congress or governor rurallib Nov 2014 #2
Wouldn't they have to WANT to be healed? LiberalElite Nov 2014 #3
That's it Sanity Claws Nov 2014 #17
Hospitalization shenmue Nov 2014 #4
Nice thought, but there's no reaching them. They're reptiles in human form. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #5
They are made. Unless they have lesions or something. vanlassie Nov 2014 #8
I suffered from early neglect and abuse and did not end up a Socio/Psychopath, but it's Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #11
I'm very sorry about your early experiences. vanlassie Nov 2014 #13
Thank you for your compassion. Compassion must become infectious! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #14
You can't. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #9
^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #10
I have found this is true. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #12
We don't. elleng Nov 2014 #15
You create a strong culture in which they are either harmless or humanely isolated as criminals. hunter Nov 2014 #16
Euthanasia n/t Lil Missy Nov 2014 #18
Retroactive birth control. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #19
I read a book that says it's pretty much hopeless Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #20
My guess is you don't heal them Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #21
Forget about healing them. Let's just stop rewarding their behaviors. dawg Nov 2014 #22
Can't do it. Laffy Kat Nov 2014 #23
Treatment makes them worse. Recognize the signs early. Avoid them at all costs. kairos12 Nov 2014 #24

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
1. Gene therapy?
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:13 PM
Nov 2014

The Neurobiology of Moral Behavior: Review and Neuropsychiatric Implications

Dr. Mario F. Mendez, MD, PhD, Professor

Abstract
Morality may be innate to the human brain. This review examines the neurobiological evidence from research involving functional magnetic resonance imaging of normal subjects, developmental sociopathy, acquired sociopathy from brain lesions, and frontotemporal dementia. These studies indicate a “neuromoral” network for responding to moral dilemmas centered in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex and its connections, particularly on the right. The neurobiological evidence indicates the existence of automatic “prosocial” mechanisms for identification with others that are part of the moral brain. Patients with disorders involving this moral network have attenuated emotional reactions to the possibility of harming others and may perform sociopathic acts. The existence of this neuromoral system has major clinical implications for the management of patients with dysmoral behavior from brain disorders and for forensic neuropsychiatry.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3163302/

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. a friends wife developed "acquired sociopathy from brain lesions" and became a completley different
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:51 PM
Nov 2014

- and horrible- person. Abandoned him and the kids and started acting very cruel and careless. They did not know WTF was happening until 4-5 years, she died of brain cancer.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
17. That's it
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014

They have no reason to want to be healed.
Sociopaths and psychopaths get a lot of positive reinforcement. They tend to do very well in this economy. And in this culture, everything is measured by money.

vanlassie

(5,676 posts)
8. They are made. Unless they have lesions or something.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:28 AM
Nov 2014

They don't get to form healthy attachments during the first three years if life. Because of neglect. When the neglect happens, stress hormones cause, essentially, brain damage. Irreversible.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
11. I suffered from early neglect and abuse and did not end up a Socio/Psychopath, but it's
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:10 AM
Nov 2014

opposite, one with compassion, empathy, I feel physical pain in my heart when someone is hurt, a deep sense of fairness/right, wrong. One of my parents was a narcissistic sociopath. The other a rageaholic. I had an early head injury on the right side of my head. Bonding and trust issues, I have.

vanlassie

(5,676 posts)
13. I'm very sorry about your early experiences.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:35 AM
Nov 2014

I'm sure you know, as you yourself demonstrate, that nothing is black and white. I have read that a child may survive relatively unharmed if there was even one "enlightened witness" who makes a connection with the child. That person serves to convey the message "you are important." Sometimes a relative or neighbor. But if certain connections don't happen, early, sociopathy can result in the form of actual brain damage. In the worst cases, complete absence if empathy. See: George Bush, Barbara Bush.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
14. Thank you for your compassion. Compassion must become infectious!
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 11:51 AM
Nov 2014

Sociopathy, I suspect, is created through, genetics, during pregnancy, in the formative years, and from, dare I say, the soul.

I was born with the higher emotions. I am extremely grateful for that.

We are our own saviors.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
9. You can't.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:53 AM
Nov 2014

If you try to give a person with Antisocial Personality Disorder therapy it will just teach them how to manipulate people better.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
16. You create a strong culture in which they are either harmless or humanely isolated as criminals.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:52 PM
Nov 2014

Sadly, our broken and cruel culture tends to reward their bad behaviors.




Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
20. I read a book that says it's pretty much hopeless
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:49 PM
Nov 2014


Gist of it says that the best you can do in our asshole-centric society is to try not to be one yourself. The author says that most assholes are male, although he does make notable exceptions for certain females of the kind (*cough* Ann Coulter *gag*). Human nature is designed as such that good people will always suffer at the whim of powerful assholes. Not all assholes are powerful (some are just dicks who run you off the road or cut in front of you in a line), but most in power tend to be assholes simply because they don't care who they step on in order to get to where they want to be. Assholism is a general encompassing of narcissism, socio/psychopathy, and megalomania, any/all of which could easily be synonyms of each other.

Really the best thing you can do is to be a good person yourself and do good for others, so as to counteract the effects that the assholes in power have on the rest of society. If you recognize that you may be or are becoming an asshole, that's the first step in solving the problem. Most assholes don't want to change because there's nothing in it for them and they might get knocked down a peg or two; this is the very definition of self-sacrifice, which they are allergic to and will fight tooth-and-nail not to have to do. Engaging in acts of selflessness and kindness towards others is a good way to nip assholism in the bud. However, most assholes -- particularly those in power -- are too far gone not to be assholes; as stated above, the best hope for those underneath their feet is to come together and foster kindness and positivity to at least cope with the conditions that the assholes have created for their own selfish gains.



Perfect theme song to the book:

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
21. My guess is you don't heal them
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:09 AM
Nov 2014

You inoculate society against them. In many hunter gatherer societies power seeking bullies were not tolerated and would be dealt with pretty quick and harshly.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
23. Can't do it.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 06:46 PM
Nov 2014

If you even SUSPECT someone you know is a sociopath stay as far away from them as you can--FOREVER.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
24. Treatment makes them worse. Recognize the signs early. Avoid them at all costs.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:50 PM
Nov 2014

Don't gratify them by reacting to their actions. Consider your words before speaking to them. If it is important always have a witness with you to observe any interactions you might have. The trick is to make yourself to difficult a target so they move on.

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