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Someone told me today that my grammar and syntax were terrible
I feel so ashamed
The high school where I graduated wasn't very good, plus I went to their night school (which was even worse)
English is my second language, but I've been living in this country for so long that this isn't an excuse anymore
I always thought I wrote fairly well, so what this person said shocked me
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)read this classic book: The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. It used to be required for a lot of college English classes and it's now available free, online: http://www.edtgestion.hec.ulg.ac.be/upload/strunk%20%20white%20-%201979%20-%20elements%20of%20style.pdf
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Highly recommended
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)put periods at the end of sentences. Other than that your writing seems fine to me. Maybe it's just this person's nature to be very critical.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)That's how I learned. The "Project English" was foisted upon me in school so I never learned proper grammar and have always felt insecure. (This was based on work by Noam Chomsky.) I had to learn by harsh grading. Luckily an esteemed professor actually took the time to help me and explain things like parallel construction and subject-verb agreement. (He's much reviled here for his neocon views but the man helped me so much.)
But read...voraciously.
... but not the internet, the grammar here is as bad as it gets. Read books, journalism, stuff from people who care about the proper usage of language!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Internet grammar is the pits.
dballance
(5,756 posts)I am amazed everyday, well not really anymore, the number of spelling and grammar errors on professional news sites on the web is huge.
It seems obvious to me that in the race to cut costs there are few editors anymore. No one seems to be reviewing content before it gets posted.
Reading will build your vocabulary, too, if you take the time to look up definitions of words that are unfamiliar to you.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)I think that person is being hypercritical. Yes, reading will be good for you, as it is for anyone.
And forget that person!
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:35 AM - Edit history (2)
Sorry
See Post #18
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Sorry!!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)Thank you for fixing it...
Skittles
(153,160 posts)my advice - just read books - you can pick up a lot by just reading books (but you write fine, I think, by the way)
rug
(82,333 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)YES, INDEED
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Sieg Niles!
Skittles
(153,160 posts)THAT KINKY REPUBLICAN TOOL!!!!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You've forgotten the quotation marks around "OK", though the single inverted comma may be validly used as well as the double.
(The Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition)
If one corrects the usage of another, should not one maintain correct usage themselves?
rug
(82,333 posts)And don't get me started on The Chicago Manual of Style (which should be italicized or within quotation marks as it is a title.)
Peasant.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)at my local community college.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)You are making me feel so much better!
The Velveteen Ocelot, thanks for the link. I can't wait to read the book.
California Peggy, thanks for the hug. That was very sweet. Here's a big one for you
In fact, The Velveteen Ocelot, Ailsagirl, LiberalElite, Ret5hd, QED, Sendero, Art_from_Ark, Skittles, Sedona, I want to give a big hug to each and everyone of you.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Consider yourself hugged back!!
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)and I am a retired copy editor. I was copy editing 30 different outdoors magazines and corrected grammatical, spelling and punctuation of the editors of all those magazines. Don't worry about your grammar and syntax. You are doing better than many of us.
Rhiannon12866
(205,359 posts)The fact that English is your second language is even more to be proud of. In other countries, learning to speak more than one language isn't all that unusual, but in the US - it's almost frowned upon, embarrassing as that is. Sounds to me that you're doing better than most of us...
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)I mean, did you ask his/her opinion?? If you didn't, I repeat, very rude.
The whole purpose of words is to communicate and I'd say you're doing a fine job.
You're bilingual and that's impressive. I wish I could say I was.
Yes, reading voraciously is very helpful.
Good luck!
DFW
(54,379 posts)So you aren't doing badly!
Many people who claim English as their first (or only) language use an apostrophe to form a plural, which English does not do, and many use a nominative where it is wrong to do so ("for you and I" or "with you and I" . I even heard this in songs by the Doors and Mark Knopfler. A good rule to use is trying the phrase without the "you and" and see if it works. Since you never say "please do it for I," or "come with I" then you also never say "please do it for you and I" or "come with you and I."
But you didn't appear to make either mistake, so hold your head up high!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I've tried hard for a long time not only to learn the language, but to learn it right.
But when a native speaker says something like that to you, it makes you wonder. I do realize that just because someone is a native speaker of a language it doesn't mean their grammar is good, but still...
And hugs to you too!
And ailsagirl back at you and...why not?another
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)We see evidence of that on DU every day. I've worked as both a legal writer and a technical writer. The worst writers I encountered were engineers. They are very smart people but their writing was almost unintelligible, mostly because they didn't understand punctuation. I refer you again to The Elements of Style. If you follow those rules you can't go wrong.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Copy whatever you're writing into there first and make sure spell check and grammar check are on.
You'll catch a lot, and if it thinks something is not correct, it will let you know. (It's not always right).
Brigid
(17,621 posts)English is a pain, even for native speakers. You do far better than many.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)HERVEPA, unfortunately, I don't have word. Brigid No kidding!. Thanks Iggo, thanks
Hugs to all
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)I feel so ashamed.
The high school from which I graduated wasn't very good. Also, I went to their night school (which was even worse).
English is my second language, but I've been living in this country for so long that this isn't an excuse anymore.
I always thought I wrote fairly well, so what this person said shocked me."
Don't be ashamed. Your post didn't strike me as terrible, and the mistakes are fairly common ones. I see some posts on DU that are awful.
Like you, I spoke another language before learning English, even though I was born in the U.S.
I echo the advice of other posters who encouraged you to read, read, read. Read work by good writers. Read all types of writing. And remember that writing ability is something that improves with constant practice.