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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:04 PM Nov 2014

How can I improve my grammar?

Someone told me today that my grammar and syntax were terrible

I feel so ashamed

The high school where I graduated wasn't very good, plus I went to their night school (which was even worse)

English is my second language, but I've been living in this country for so long that this isn't an excuse anymore

I always thought I wrote fairly well, so what this person said shocked me

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How can I improve my grammar? (Original Post) lunamagica Nov 2014 OP
Your post looked just fine, but if you want to improve your writing, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #1
I've got TWO copies of that little gem ailsagirl Nov 2014 #8
I just would add LiberalElite Nov 2014 #2
It aint worth it. ret5hd Nov 2014 #3
Read. QED Nov 2014 #4
This ^^^... sendero Nov 2014 #5
I second that Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #7
Correct, do not read the internet for grammar tips. Even the professional sites. dballance Nov 2014 #31
Read, indeed! pacalo Nov 2014 #35
Your writing is just fine, my dear lunamagica! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #6
Post made to CaliforniaPeggy in error!! ailsagirl Nov 2014 #10
Perhaps you meant to respond to the original poster instead of me? CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #14
Oops-- yes, I did ailsagirl Nov 2014 #17
Not to worry...it's easy to do! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #27
OK the person who told you that is an arrogant asshole Skittles Nov 2014 #9
You need a comma after OK. rug Nov 2014 #16
I WILL KICK GRAMMAR NAZI RUG ASS Skittles Nov 2014 #20
Grammer Nazi... pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #21
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Skittles Nov 2014 #23
If one corrects the usage of another, should not one maintain correct usage themselves? LanternWaste Nov 2014 #32
The quotation marks are unnecessary. rug Nov 2014 #33
... pacalo Nov 2014 #36
My grammar imporoved a lot after taking a few English composistion classes Sedona Nov 2014 #11
Wow, guys, thank you very much!!! lunamagica Nov 2014 #12
I'm glad you shared this with us ailsagirl Nov 2014 #19
Your grammar seems fine to me, RebelOne Nov 2014 #13
Looks fine to me, too, and I was a proofreader back in the day. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2014 #15
That was a rude comment made to you ailsagirl Nov 2014 #18
You appear NOT to make two errors that many native speakers make DFW Nov 2014 #22
Thanks RebelOne, Rhiannon12866, DFW lunamagica Nov 2014 #24
A lot of native speakers can't write their in own language very well. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #26
Start with using end punctuation. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #25
One thing you could do if you have Microsoft Word HERVEPA Nov 2014 #28
Anybody dealing with English as a second language needs one of these: Brigid Nov 2014 #29
That person is full of shit. Iggo Nov 2014 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot, I've aready bookmarked "The Elements of Style". I started reading it today lunamagica Nov 2014 #34
These are the two changes I would make if I were editing your post. LiberalEsto Nov 2014 #37
Thanks for the tips, LiberalEsto lunamagica Nov 2014 #38

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
1. Your post looked just fine, but if you want to improve your writing,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

read this classic book: The Elements of Style by Strunk and White. It used to be required for a lot of college English classes and it's now available free, online: http://www.edtgestion.hec.ulg.ac.be/upload/strunk%20%20white%20-%201979%20-%20elements%20of%20style.pdf

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
2. I just would add
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014

put periods at the end of sentences. Other than that your writing seems fine to me. Maybe it's just this person's nature to be very critical.

QED

(2,747 posts)
4. Read.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

That's how I learned. The "Project English" was foisted upon me in school so I never learned proper grammar and have always felt insecure. (This was based on work by Noam Chomsky.) I had to learn by harsh grading. Luckily an esteemed professor actually took the time to help me and explain things like parallel construction and subject-verb agreement. (He's much reviled here for his neocon views but the man helped me so much.)

But read...voraciously.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
5. This ^^^...
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:45 PM
Nov 2014

... but not the internet, the grammar here is as bad as it gets. Read books, journalism, stuff from people who care about the proper usage of language!

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
31. Correct, do not read the internet for grammar tips. Even the professional sites.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 01:02 PM
Nov 2014

I am amazed everyday, well not really anymore, the number of spelling and grammar errors on professional news sites on the web is huge.

It seems obvious to me that in the race to cut costs there are few editors anymore. No one seems to be reviewing content before it gets posted.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
35. Read, indeed!
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

Reading will build your vocabulary, too, if you take the time to look up definitions of words that are unfamiliar to you.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,620 posts)
6. Your writing is just fine, my dear lunamagica!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:51 PM
Nov 2014

I think that person is being hypercritical. Yes, reading will be good for you, as it is for anyone.

And forget that person!

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
9. OK the person who told you that is an arrogant asshole
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:43 PM
Nov 2014

my advice - just read books - you can pick up a lot by just reading books (but you write fine, I think, by the way)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. If one corrects the usage of another, should not one maintain correct usage themselves?
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:38 PM
Nov 2014

You've forgotten the quotation marks around "OK", though the single inverted comma may be validly used as well as the double.
(The Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition)




If one corrects the usage of another, should not one maintain correct usage themselves?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
33. The quotation marks are unnecessary.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 06:14 PM
Nov 2014

And don't get me started on The Chicago Manual of Style (which should be italicized or within quotation marks as it is a title.)

Peasant.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
11. My grammar imporoved a lot after taking a few English composistion classes
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:53 PM
Nov 2014

at my local community college.


lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
12. Wow, guys, thank you very much!!!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:03 PM
Nov 2014

You are making me feel so much better!

The Velveteen Ocelot, thanks for the link. I can't wait to read the book.

California Peggy, thanks for the hug. That was very sweet. Here's a big one for you

In fact, The Velveteen Ocelot, Ailsagirl, LiberalElite, Ret5hd, QED, Sendero, Art_from_Ark, Skittles, Sedona, I want to give a big hug to each and everyone of you.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
13. Your grammar seems fine to me,
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:15 PM
Nov 2014

and I am a retired copy editor. I was copy editing 30 different outdoors magazines and corrected grammatical, spelling and punctuation of the editors of all those magazines. Don't worry about your grammar and syntax. You are doing better than many of us.

Rhiannon12866

(205,359 posts)
15. Looks fine to me, too, and I was a proofreader back in the day.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 12:06 AM
Nov 2014

The fact that English is your second language is even more to be proud of. In other countries, learning to speak more than one language isn't all that unusual, but in the US - it's almost frowned upon, embarrassing as that is. Sounds to me that you're doing better than most of us...

ailsagirl

(22,897 posts)
18. That was a rude comment made to you
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 03:33 AM
Nov 2014

I mean, did you ask his/her opinion?? If you didn't, I repeat, very rude.

The whole purpose of words is to communicate and I'd say you're doing a fine job.

You're bilingual and that's impressive. I wish I could say I was.

Yes, reading voraciously is very helpful.

Good luck!

DFW

(54,379 posts)
22. You appear NOT to make two errors that many native speakers make
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 05:22 AM
Nov 2014

So you aren't doing badly!

Many people who claim English as their first (or only) language use an apostrophe to form a plural, which English does not do, and many use a nominative where it is wrong to do so ("for you and I" or "with you and I&quot . I even heard this in songs by the Doors and Mark Knopfler. A good rule to use is trying the phrase without the "you and" and see if it works. Since you never say "please do it for I," or "come with I" then you also never say "please do it for you and I" or "come with you and I."

But you didn't appear to make either mistake, so hold your head up high!

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
24. Thanks RebelOne, Rhiannon12866, DFW
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 08:11 AM
Nov 2014

I've tried hard for a long time not only to learn the language, but to learn it right.

But when a native speaker says something like that to you, it makes you wonder. I do realize that just because someone is a native speaker of a language it doesn't mean their grammar is good, but still...

And hugs to you too!

And ailsagirl back at you and...why not?another

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
26. A lot of native speakers can't write their in own language very well.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 11:44 AM
Nov 2014

We see evidence of that on DU every day. I've worked as both a legal writer and a technical writer. The worst writers I encountered were engineers. They are very smart people but their writing was almost unintelligible, mostly because they didn't understand punctuation. I refer you again to The Elements of Style. If you follow those rules you can't go wrong.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
28. One thing you could do if you have Microsoft Word
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 11:58 AM
Nov 2014

Copy whatever you're writing into there first and make sure spell check and grammar check are on.
You'll catch a lot, and if it thinks something is not correct, it will let you know. (It's not always right).

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
29. Anybody dealing with English as a second language needs one of these:
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 12:05 PM
Nov 2014


English is a pain, even for native speakers. You do far better than many.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
34. The Velveteen Ocelot, I've aready bookmarked "The Elements of Style". I started reading it today
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 07:04 PM
Nov 2014

HERVEPA, unfortunately, I don't have word. Brigid No kidding!. Thanks Iggo, thanks

Hugs to all

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
37. These are the two changes I would make if I were editing your post.
Tue Nov 11, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014
"Someone told me today that my grammar and syntax were terrible

I feel so ashamed.

The high school from which I graduated wasn't very good. Also, I went to their night school (which was even worse).

English is my second language, but I've been living in this country for so long that this isn't an excuse anymore.

I always thought I wrote fairly well, so what this person said shocked me."

Don't be ashamed. Your post didn't strike me as terrible, and the mistakes are fairly common ones. I see some posts on DU that are awful.

Like you, I spoke another language before learning English, even though I was born in the U.S.

I echo the advice of other posters who encouraged you to read, read, read. Read work by good writers. Read all types of writing. And remember that writing ability is something that improves with constant practice.

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