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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:01 PM Apr 2016

My 14 year old grand-niece is on a fast track to Juvie.

In with all the "wrong kids"...she gets dropped off at school and as soon as the car is out of sight heads off to a near-by underpass to get high with her friends.

Got into a fight with her mom and broke her arm in 3 places. My niece is on disability / Medicaid so she went to the ER, got turned away, spent the weekend waiting for Monday so she could see her doctor. From what I understand the injuries were all fractures so they are probably going to set the bones and put on a cast (I'm not a doctor, and I'm getting my info long-distance from my sister, so that may not be 100% accurate).

My grand-niece isn't just a stoner...she has an obsession / romance with weed. Weed posters all over her bedroom. Takes a ton of selfies daily and posts on Facebook with captions like "I am soooooooo fucked up." It's not that she gets high, it's that the only interest she has is in getting high. That's her entire world. She's shown no interests or promise when it comes to her future. She just wants to get high with her friends.

She steals her mom's cigarettes and prescription meds, is experimenting sexually as well, and going with whatever flow is in her "posse."

The "posse" is basically every group of "bad kids" you ever saw in any 1980s horror flick.

Got herself a boyfriend. Both of the parents have been in prison for violent crimes and in his case the apple has not fallen far from the tree.

Cops showed up at her house today with a warrant for her arrest. Still not sure if it's related to the domestic violence incident or if she's done something new. Waiting for a phone call from my sister to find out.

And the worst thing that could possibly happen to this girl would be to get shipped off to Juvie, because she'd be in total contempt of the whole experience and would be surrounded by the kind of kids she chooses to hang out with now.

It wouldn't discourage her.

It would encourage her.

Today is one of those days where I'm glad I never had kids. I was never willing to roll those dice, so I didn't.

Feel terrible for my family but this has been coming for a long time. My niece lacks the parenting skills to have headed this off at the pass long ago. Now it's too late. This girl has made her choices, and I don't know what...if anything...could possibly get her off the path she's on.

Breaks my effing heart. She's 14 effing years old.

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My 14 year old grand-niece is on a fast track to Juvie. (Original Post) Miles Archer Apr 2016 OP
At 14 and with her behaviour, she's probably too far gone. Kaleva Apr 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina Apr 2016 #2
Sounds like a candidate for my alma mater. KamaAina Apr 2016 #3
I bet there is a history of abuse somewhere in this girl's past Skittles Apr 2016 #4
Sorry, but... YvonneCa Apr 2016 #5
I ran away when I was 15 AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #6
Thank God you came out ok. No one should give up on a 14 year old kid. classykaren Apr 2016 #14
Love can get her off that path. Avalux Apr 2016 #7
An update Miles Archer Apr 2016 #8
what happened at the ER? greymouse Apr 2016 #9
That's what I thought too. Miles Archer Apr 2016 #11
It is obvious that you do... YvonneCa Apr 2016 #10
My niece and her S.O. live extremely well beyond their means... Miles Archer Apr 2016 #12
I hope your niece will listen to your.. YvonneCa Apr 2016 #13
You're grand niece is a drug addict. Oh she may say it's just MJ but she's lying to you riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #15
SNAP!!!!!!!! This is my sister's story and it started at around age 13 mackerel Apr 2016 #16

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
1. At 14 and with her behaviour, she's probably too far gone.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

Probably time for some serious tough love from her immediate and extended family. Everybody can turn their life around but the individual is the one who has to do it. I see nothing in your post that leads me to believe that your grand-niece wants to do that.

I hope the best for your sister, you, the rest of your family and your grand-niece.

I've seen many a messed up people turn it around so there's always the chance.

Response to Kaleva (Reply #1)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. Sounds like a candidate for my alma mater.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

I was there due to disability, but a fair number of my classmates fit the description. And it has gone coed since my day.

http://www.groveschool.org/

The Grove School program is a co-educational, therapeutic boarding school for adolescents who, because of social or emotional difficulties, have been unable to make satisfactory adjustments in their home, their school, or their social relationships.

The Grove School provides a therapeutic milieu for young people who are experiencing emotional and learning challenges that affect the quality of their lives. By weaving our various therapeutic facets into a seamless whole, we provide an extraordinary opportunity for personal growth and the development of meaningful relationships.

The creation of a seamless interface between academic, clinical, residential, and administrative components is the foundation of our therapeutic boarding school treatment model. This resulting therapeutic environment addresses each student’s unique individual needs as well as their social and interpersonal responsibilities and obligations. Self-respect, accountability for one’s decisions and actions, the capacity to develop trusting relationships, and the successful navigation of academic demands are the goals of our treatment program for teens.


YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
5. Sorry, but...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016

...it's never too late. I taught middle school kids who were on a terrible trajectory and, with the right support and resources, became successful adults.
A worse situation is if she becomes pregnant. Or overdoses. Until then every adult in her family needs to get engaged in her life.
IMO, it's not ever okay to give up on a 14 year old. THAT is a recipe for failure.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
6. I ran away when I was 15
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

Fleeing an alcoholic environment. I lived on the streets for seven years. Many of my friends from that period died. They made a movie about our situation called 'Streetwise'. Those of us who survived have found each other through social media and will have our third annual reunion this August. It is our equivalent of a High School reunion, since none of us made it to High School. Last year we were hoping to see Mary Ellen Mark, who made the movie Streetwise, at our Reunion, but she passed away a few months before the event.

The movie was based on an article called, "Streets of the lost" from Time magazine. Watch this movie and please encourage your niece to watch it too. This is the reality that her lifestyle leads to. Dead kids and wasted lives. I'm just lucky. I could have easily been dead on at least a dozen occasions. We were prayed on by adults through the whole ordeal. It isn't a way for a kid to live. Trust me on that one.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
7. Love can get her off that path.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:30 PM
Apr 2016

You're probably rolling your eyes about now but it's true. That child must feel so alone, as if no one cares about her...no matter what she does. That's precisely why she's acting out.

Your niece needs to be shown her family loves and supports her (that doesn't mean coddling her, it means telling her no and sticking to it). She is still a child, the adults need to help her find her way.

I raised three girls on my own and it's not easy. Good luck to you, I hope it gets better.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
8. An update
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

first, thank you very much to everyone for your responses. If anything comes through from my post I hope that it is my desire for this girl to straighten her life out. I also hope that she wants that too.

The cops showed up at my niece's house with what my sister described as an "inch-thick warrant."

She has a court appearance on Monday.

Included in the warrant is her record of skipping school, her assault on her mom, and they are probably going to give her a drug test, which she will absolutely fail.

If the end result is that she is on some kind of probationary "house arrest" at home, my niece and her partner are going to need some serious coaching on how to deal with it. If they put her on a regular drug testing schedule and make perfect attendance at school a requirement, there's a good chance that unless they scare the hell out of her with the consequences, she will rebel against that as well.

If she ends up in Juvie, I still see the scenario in my original post.

Discipline in the past has been limited to grounding, taking away her cell phone, and revoking her Internet privileges. each time she rode out her sentence with major resentment and sullenness, and when the penalties were lifted, she went back to her regular habits with a vengeance.

Please know that I take none of this lightly, and I see none of it as black and white. I'm also not judging her.

Those of you who know me know that my former girlfriend died in August 2014. I had planned to be with her and help her raise her two 13 year old (twin) daughters as my own. These girls were the opposite end of the spectrum...smart, inquisitive, talended, polite, wonderful girls. I always joked that if the laws were changed so that twins could run as President, they'd one day be the first to hold that office, or cure cancer, or something with an unspeakable magnitude.

Then I met my grand-niece, and the contrast was shocking. See, I'd like to see her become President some day too, or change the world in some grand fashion. Or, simply be happy at whatever hell life she chose.

I just don't want to see what I'm seeing. Every day is a chance for redemption. I hope her day is coming, and soon.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
11. That's what I thought too.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

She's on Medicaid, went to the ER (on a Saturday night), was told to go home and call her doctor on Monday. They did nothing for her.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
10. It is obvious that you do...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

...care. And so does her mom and your sister. I think you said your niece lacked parenting skills. I agree. How is it that your grand niece has such resources? Things like phones and computers cost money.
There seems to be a lot of enabling going on. Someone needs to hold her responsible for her choices. Maybe court involvement will start to do that?

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
12. My niece and her S.O. live extremely well beyond their means...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:09 AM
Apr 2016

...and part of that includes giving my grand-niece anything she wants, especially if it involves peer pressure at school ("All the kids have iPhones&quot .

And enabling plays a large role in it. They allow her to smoke weed, and that's one of their forms of punishment ("no weed&quot so that when they lift that restriction, she goes full Bob Marley.

There's also a degree of antagonism / humiliation behind the discipline, when and if that happens. So the result with the best chance of success would be some very rigid requirements for counseling that involved ALL family members. My niece and her S.O. need an education when it comes to parenting in 2016, and my niece needs to gain an appreciation for why rules exist and what consequences await those who fail to acknowledge them.

When she's 18, it's her life, her decisions. This girl makes universally bad decisions. If she improved her decision making skills, more positive doors would open for her. Right now it's more a matter of "I know what I'm doing, leave me alone," and Monday she's going to be informed that it's not going to be that way. I hope they give my niece and her S.O. the opportunity to be a part of turning this around. My girlfriend's take on this is that since it is a "first offense," they are probably not going to shuttle her straight off to Juvie, but if she thumbs her nose at whatever the outcome is, my guess is that she'll end up there sooner rather than later.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
13. I hope your niece will listen to your..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

...observations. You have clearly defined the problem. And they do only have 4 years to turn this around.
Family counseling to develop parenting skills would help. And clarifying the drug situation.
Good luck to you and your family. It must be really hard to 'watch from afar' and feel helpless.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
15. You're grand niece is a drug addict. Oh she may say it's just MJ but she's lying to you
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

Her parents have zero control here and are not responsible for an addicts addiction. Their daughter is a drug addict and the sooner you stop blaming everyone else and start focusing on addictions counseling, the better.

My (currently) 19 yr old is an older version of your 14 year old niece. Fearless, crazy, drug addicted.

She'd use her phone for drug deals so we'd take it away. She'd just use her friends' phones for the deals (and I lost a way to find/communicate with her.)

Ground her? She'd sneak out her window at 1 am jumping out her 2nd story bedroom window, she admits to doing that at least 50 times. Reality means she's done it 2 - 3 times as much. She had no car even though we were completely rural - that never stopped her finding a way to get a ride for drug deals.

I even tried tethering her to me at night to stop her drug deals and partying, she went on a hunger strike and wasted away to 75 lbs in protest. She went to her pediatrician and told her we were starving her. We had 3 years of DCFS hell in response. Now that DCFS knows the score that she's a drug addict, all of the DCFS crap has stopped but our cruelly drug addicted daughter knew exactly how to cripple our attempts to help her.

We have no teevee or video games so there wasn't anything to take away. She's damn happy to be left alone to read in her room even with her bedroom door taken off so she couldn't hide misbehavior.

Her older siblings were raised the exact same way and are doctors and PhDs. In fact, my 19 yr old drug addict graduated as her school's valedictorian (and top selling drug dealer...)

1. Your grand niece needs to be tested for STDs immediately. My daughter prostituted herself for drugs (continues to do it).

2. Her parents need to get to a Nar-Anon meeting immediately. There are real techniques for families coping with this. The earlier they start the better.

3. Your grand niece needs a therapist ASAP!! Can you pay? It's never too late for an addict but she needs an impartial observer telling her the score now. STAT. She's very young, too young. The only thing holding my daughter together right now is her trust in her counselor. I cling to hope.....

4. My daughter entered her 1st rehab at 16 years old. I've since met parents whose children have been 10x or more. Never give up.

You're in for a rough ride. I hope you don't give up on her. I've had many thousands of hours with similarly situated families and the one thing that seems to "work" the most with young addicts is that their families never, ever gave up fighting for them, always determined to see their best selves and to keep encouraging that spark for "more".

PM me if you want. I've walked this road. Still walking it...





mackerel

(4,412 posts)
16. SNAP!!!!!!!! This is my sister's story and it started at around age 13
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

Your recommendations are excellent. My sister is now 52, clean & sober for 12 years. Turns out she is bi-polar. The first time she got C&S she was 25 and she was good for 8 years then she went back out there for only two months but ended up in a coma. She started her sobriety date again and that was good for another 8 years. She drank over a bad relationship and my parents were able to get her sponsor to connect with her and get back to AA. She did both AA and NA but she connects better with the AA group she belongs to and she says that now days most are alcoholic/addict.

Honestly I thought there was no hope and I moved away and washed my hands of her. I don't know how she found her way to AA but it has been all the difference our lives.

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