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Please do something about the dandelions in your lawn (Original Post) Major Nikon Jun 2016 OP
and eat the greens! elleng Jun 2016 #1
Could put a sign up - Field Greens Salad garden liberal N proud Jun 2016 #2
But they already get the best fertilizer and I water them religiously pinboy3niner Jun 2016 #3
They're great for bees. geardaddy Jun 2016 #4
Yup. sarge43 Jun 2016 #5
Cool sign! geardaddy Jun 2016 #7
Blessing for Minneapolis. sarge43 Jun 2016 #10
I have one of those signs. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #26
We live next to a McMansion cul-de-sac and they hate us nadine_mn Jun 2016 #27
Good for you! geardaddy Jun 2016 #32
yay for you NJCher Jun 2016 #45
Excellent job! geardaddy Jun 2016 #51
What type of asshole .... Delver Rootnose Jun 2016 #6
What type? kentauros Jun 2016 #14
+ a million. geardaddy Jun 2016 #17
Cool! kentauros Jun 2016 #18
Here in AZ, more and more of the turf lovers are going artificial, again. Coventina Jun 2016 #49
Fake grass shanti Jun 2016 #55
I wish that sentiment would spread csziggy Jun 2016 #23
Lay down some straw. kentauros Jun 2016 #24
Around here the straw has a lot of weeds in it csziggy Jun 2016 #25
That's too bad about the straw. kentauros Jun 2016 #30
Yeah - I'd rather buy local csziggy Jun 2016 #31
I can't do humidity below 60%. kentauros Jun 2016 #34
I used to be that way - low humidity did bad things to my sinuses csziggy Jun 2016 #38
Yes, sinus problems with low humidity. kentauros Jun 2016 #39
We've got a lot in common with the humidity csziggy Jun 2016 #40
I need to get copper gloves so I can't feel the zap! kentauros Jun 2016 #42
I thought about tying a copper wire to my belt csziggy Jun 2016 #43
I've actually heard of people using a copper wire for personal grounding, kentauros Jun 2016 #53
If the shocks get bad again I'll think about it csziggy Jun 2016 #54
My 12-y.o. Civic is mostly metal. kentauros Jun 2016 #56
And they're easier to pull since the soil will be more moist. geardaddy Jun 2016 #33
Yep. kentauros Jun 2016 #35
yep NJCher Jun 2016 #46
Dandelion – Dynamic Accumulator jtuck004 Jun 2016 #8
Cool! geardaddy Jun 2016 #16
powdery mildew, ehh? NJCher Jun 2016 #47
My hummers were loving tosh Jun 2016 #9
I keep a pesticide free property. Mendocino Jun 2016 #11
All I do to my yard is fertilize and mow Major Nikon Jun 2016 #13
A golf course lawn is worse than a desert. sarge43 Jun 2016 #15
My parents lived on a golf course in Florida. Mendocino Jun 2016 #21
My buddy has a cabin that backs up to a farm in Door County Wisconsin. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #20
Now that NJCher Jun 2016 #48
I look forward to when I have a lawn. kentauros Jun 2016 #12
I had a friend who put a homemade "State of Texas Wildflower Research" TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #50
I like that :) kentauros Jun 2016 #52
Mama had a baby and its head popped off geardaddy Jun 2016 #19
yum handmade34 Jun 2016 #22
make tea out of it d_r Jun 2016 #28
Mmmm Dandelion Wine nadine_mn Jun 2016 #29
... Xipe Totec Jun 2016 #36
A lawn with wildflowers sprinkled around is more beautiful, imo, than a green mat. reformist2 Jun 2016 #37
Bwah bigwillq Jun 2016 #41
Wonderful! I understand Japan loves its dandelions! So good for bees. George Eliot Jun 2016 #44

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
5. Yup.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

One of first flowering plants in the spring, so the girls are all over them for pollen.

My sign: Dandelions - mind the free range bees.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
26. I have one of those signs.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing that has flowers gets pulled up, at least until it stops flowering. I don't have a lawn any more; I turned all of it over to shrubs and mostly native perennials. My next-door neighbor hates me because he's one of those assholes who poisons everything to try to make his tiny lawn look like a fucking golf course.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
27. We live next to a McMansion cul-de-sac and they hate us
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

because their yards are extremely manicured, ours is a little wild. I love dandelions and we have some other flowering stuff around the edge of the house.

I don't see any point in messing with nature any more than necessary.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
32. Good for you!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

We try to plant as much native stuff as we can, but some people in the condo assoc. insist on having lawn. But we have blocked them from using chemicals and have hired an organic guy to do the lawn. So, Mrs. geardaddy and I spend a few days each spring plucking dandelions before they go to seed. We have tons of clover in our yard which is good for the yard.

NJCher

(35,675 posts)
45. yay for you
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:01 AM
Jun 2016
But we have blocked them from using chemicals and have hired an organic guy to do the lawn.

That is terrific about hiring the organic guy. They're around--just have to look for them. We have a truck around here that's a team of women who go around doing organic lawn work. Wish I could remember the name--it's clever.

One of the first years I was in this house, I noted the neighbors all had those pesticide companies come around. What really ticked me off was that I have a pool built into the side of a mountain, and so the ones on the level of the pool would be spraying these pesticides and they would come floating right over to my head while I'd be floating around in my pool. Not only was I breathing it, it was going into the water. The chlorine's bad enough; now I'm floating around in pesticides, too.



So I took action: I looked up the kinds of chemicals they sprayed and made photocopies. Then I dropped off a copy at each neighbor's house. As I recall, the pesticides they were using at the time affected fertility. In no time at all, and I mean about two months, not one pesticide company was coming around.

And that's been it. I've not seen one since and that was 18 years ago.


Cher

Delver Rootnose

(250 posts)
6. What type of asshole ....
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

...writes an unsigned letter like that. One reason bees are having a hard time is overuse of pesticides and lack of food from clover and dandelions etc because of the fucking green turf fetishists. And why waste the time and money to fix a non problem

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
18. Cool!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

It must be a holdover from the 1950s, when people really did have astroturf, or the equivalent.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
49. Here in AZ, more and more of the turf lovers are going artificial, again.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

It can be made to look much more natural now, and of course requires no pesticides or herbicides.

It still does require some water in summer, believe it or not, because if it doesn't get cooled down, will melt in our extreme heat.
But, still a major water savings overall.

It's not for me (yech!) but I'd rather see that than the real stuff.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
55. Fake grass
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jun 2016

I'd considered that too, but turns out, it gets VERY hot in the summer. We have 100+ temps regularly here, the heat radiating off of it would be awful!

In my tract, people have been favoring redwood bark or crushed granite, with native plants and boulders.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
23. I wish that sentiment would spread
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

I've been trying to find someone to help us with weeding our flowerbeds as well as moving the yard. Between my back and my asthma I can't keep up with the weeds and my husband is only home part time so he can't do it. Now with the temperatures getting into the 90s and the humidity way up after the rain from Colin, my outdoor time is even more limited.

Every damn company I call talks about using chemicals to rid us of our weeds.

No way - I have a healthy bee (and other insects) population and lots of birds - even the local Wild Birds franchise is jealous of the variety we get. I'm NOT going to poison my fellow earthlings - I'd rather have the weeds.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. Lay down some straw.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jun 2016

It will help keep the moisture in while also preventing most weeds from flourishing (as it cuts off their light.) When they do pop up, there will be fewer of them

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
25. Around here the straw has a lot of weeds in it
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jun 2016

I tried it for bedding for my horses and they got sandspurs! Everywhere we spread the manure we got sandspurs. It took years to get rid of them.

The most common kind of locally produced mulch around here is pine straw. There is a local company which has a deal with the timber companies and they sell some nice, clean material.

Since pine straw is slippery one year I tried bark mulch from one of the big box stores. Everything looked beautiful when I put it in but most of the plants died. Apparently there was some kind of chemical in it - that I didn't see mentioned on the bags - and it not only killed almost everything in the flower bed, it killed everything downhill from it but the grass.

I just have to get around to going to get a few bales of pinestraw, weed the flower beds and get the pinestraw put down. I've been trying to get some help to do it since the end of March and couldn't even find someone to pay to do the work. All the kids that used to do odd jobs for me have now grown up. Some are in college, some in the military and the rest have full time jobs.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. That's too bad about the straw.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

I've used the kind from stables, but it was a long time ago, and only on a little 8'x12' plot.

And I guess you've learned not to trust the big box stores. I've used potting soil from Lowes without issue, but I prefer to buy (and pay a little more) from a nursery that's further away, but a much nicer place to buy such things.

As for getting help, can you put up a notice at your local community center? Maybe there are some adults willing to help you, like on weekends.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
31. Yeah - I'd rather buy local
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

I got the mulch from the big box store because it was easier at the time. Hah!

We're pretty rural here. That's why it was easiest to hire the sons of people we knew or the friends of the sons. I don't know anyplace I could post a notice within ten miles of our place. I looked on Craig's List but didn't find anyone I felt was trust worthy.

I may just let the garden plots got until next fall, then clear the weeds and mulch. It's a matter of timing - I have a seminar to attend at the beginning of November, then we're into the holidays. If it cools off by October, I'll be OK. Otherwise it would be January before I could get a chance to to the work.

I can do some of it in short bits, and hour at a time. But I had commitments in April and May so I missed the last of the decent weather. Right now it's 95 with 31% humidity. At 7 AM this morning it was 68 with 87% humidity. I just have to get up really early!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
34. I can't do humidity below 60%.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

It's too "dry" for me

Well, the only other idea coming to me is to plant wildflower seeds and overpower the weeds that way

This company is for seeds native to the Texas-Oklahoma-Louisiana region, but there may be similar companies for your state. Native is always the best way to go.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
38. I used to be that way - low humidity did bad things to my sinuses
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jun 2016

But since the year I had three major operations, two of them in the summer, and spent most of the year inside, my system has decided it likes low humidity. It doesn't help that the unchangeable preset on our air handler keeps the humidity at 50% or lower.

The weeds I want to get rid of are blackberries (because of the thorns) and a wicked stuff called Spanish or Shepherd needle or Bidens alba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidens_alba)

I wouldn't mind them but the seeds are nasty - they grab onto fabric and have to be pulled off one by one. They don't even come off in the wash!


The shepherd's needles reach from a center point and can leap en masse up to 3 ft (0.9 m) in order grab onto your socks - that's a lie - but it sure seems true sometimes.
http://floridata.com/Plants/Asteraceae/Bidens%20alba/898


I let them grow where I don't have to walk or work - the bees and butterflies love the flowers and other creatures seem to like them, too. I think some of the birds eat the seed and help to spread them. In the few flower beds we're still getting established they grow faster than the perennials we've planted and shade them out.

It's just on the paths and in those beds I want to get those out - the other fifty nice and a half acres of our farm are almost completely natural. We planted dogwoods, cedars and loblolly pines almost forty years ago that replaced the trees that were aging out and put pasture grass in to replace the cornfields and pig pens that were here when we bought the farm.

After we built out new house we spread wildflower seeds over the drainfield - bought them at the local native plant nursery. We still get some coreopsis coming back every year but I think I will reseed a few pounds of them next year.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
39. Yes, sinus problems with low humidity.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jun 2016

However, the other disagreeable problem I have with low humidity is that it turns me into a biological Van der Graff generator


It sounds like you have a nice piece of land and have done well at making it livable

My parents have about 60 acres in the Texas Hill Country, and my father has done an enormous amount of work getting it back to a natural state. The entailed first getting his Master Naturalist's certification, and then getting rid of the juniper trees (cedars) and fire ants. He also got many native grasses to the area re-established and growing again. I think he knows the name of every single kind of plant over that acreage!

What do you grow on your farm?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
40. We've got a lot in common with the humidity
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

I can zap a door knob or car door handle from inches away in low humidity. And my hair - which is almost to my waist - crawls around and stands out or clings to everything. In the winter when it is very dry I have to use conditioner just to cut down on the static. It was always a problem when I was rebuilding old computers but I never fried a part.

We used to breed horses but I've had to retire from that. I simply got beat up too many times and wore out the joints that the horses didn't tear up. Our last foal was born the spring of the year I got both knees replaced and just checking on the mare was incredibly painful. it's been over twenty years since I was allowed to halter break my babies and since then raising the horses just hasn't been any fun.

Our place is on a 200 ft above sea level ridge of red clay and drops fifty feet to a stream that runs down to the Gulf. When we bought the place the top 30 acres were in corn and pigs and the bottom swampy 30 were regrowing trees from being logged, probably in the 1930s. We've left the bottom 30 alone other than putting in a wildlife pond. On the upper 30 we put in grass but let lots of native trees volunteer, and left some areas completely undisturbed.

The deer, turkey, foxes (both red and gray), and birds love the place. There place has lots of biomass, sources of water, and places to shelter. The deer like to spend the day under the large live oak right in front of the house and the foxes made a den in the brush pile we made when we cleared the old fence line just before we built the house.

How'd your dad get rid of the fire ants? Fire ants and wasps are the only things I regularly poison because of their bites/stings but they never seem to got away.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
42. I need to get copper gloves so I can't feel the zap!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016


I love live oaks

You can also encourage more wildlife by making piles of wood and other organic refuse. Just let it rot like normal, and animals will use it for shelter. My father did that all over their place, too.

Now they also have a lot of deer, but he also feeds them. Part of his getting a Texas Forestry Service certification for the land requires that he do things like that. He also gets a hefty property-tax break. Nonetheless, the land is better off for the work done to restore it.

Your property sounds picturesque! I can just imagine, well, something picturesque, anyway

Fire ants. I believe my father used Amdro. I was thinking he might have used Logic, but that requires more work. Logic is granular and has to be re-applied every couple of months. I have used it when I lived in another part of town where I had a yard to use. It worked great, so long as you kept up with the application of it regularly. It works by inhibiting the hormones of the ants so they can't reproduce. Amdro is simply a poison.

Here's a link from Texas A&M on controlling fire ants.

Now, if you know any metal-workers, you could offer your anthills to any of them willing to pour molten aluminum into a hill, like this artist does:

http://www.anthillart.com/

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
43. I thought about tying a copper wire to my belt
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

So it would ground me and bleed off the static electricity.

Yes, we make brush piles anytime we do clearing. The crew that cleared the fence lines for me kept calling them "burn piles" but I refuse to allow them to burn them. When we make them in the pastures, they also protect seedlings - the horses will yank seedlings up so it's nice to have areas they can't reach.

In one field where there was a huge brush pile we now have a nice stand of black walnut trees. There is one ancient one in that pasture, but the horses always tore the seedlings up. By the time the brush pile rotted, the young black walnuts were large enough the horses can't kill them. There are a few cherries, some pine and maybe a few oak trees in that area, too.

I've got a bag of Amdro - I just need to go out and put some on every fire ant bed. I used a different stuff earlier this year - the beds died off but new ones showed up in a few weeks. I almost hate to kill all of the fire ants - the armadillos seem to love to dig their beds up, probably going after the eggs.

Oh - I think the casts of fire ant beds are cool! There are some great YouTube videos of people doing that - some by Anthill Art, the guys you link to.

The biggest problem is that here we're on a solid red clay ridge - digging up the castings would be damn near impossible. When we were getting ready to start our house the full sized bulldozer had trouble scraping thin layers off the clay!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
53. I've actually heard of people using a copper wire for personal grounding,
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

so it might not be a bad idea. That, or copper soles on your shoes

Yeah, a lot of people don't understand the concept of brush piles. They think everyone wants to remove all "debris" whether by burning or hauling it off. The very idea that you would let it rot over time just doesn't enter their minds as a viable method.

I didn't know horses would eat tree seedlings. I guess if it's leafy-green enough and tasty, then it's fair game.

The thing with fire ants these days is that you don't have one colony per anthill, the way it used to be. You have one super-colony over all of the anthills. If you don't get rid of them all, the super-colony remains and expands again.

Your clay sounds as bad as Oklahoma caliche! I've read what they have there is even harder than the kind we have in Texas. Seems like they have to blast through theirs; digging through it isn't good enough.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
54. If the shocks get bad again I'll think about it
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

But the car we use the most these days is a Prius and it's mostly plastic.

The horses don't so much eat the seedlings as yank them up. The younger horses are worse about it so I think it's part of them exploring their environment.

We have one tree that is now a beautiful specimen in front of our older barn and next to the round pen. That oak was dropped by one of our weanling fillies in 1980 - she'd pulled it up on her way to the barn and dropped it in anticipation of her dinner. We planted the poor little seedling and it has survived nicely and now provides welcome shade to the front of that barn.

Most of the time we didn't find the seedlings until too late to save them.

I'd forgotten about the super colonies - I'm sure that's what's going one! Maybe I'll borrow a drop spreader and cover the entire yard with Amdro though it would be better to cover the entire upper 30. I'll talk to the people who are taking care of the farm.

Thanks for the reminder.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
56. My 12-y.o. Civic is mostly metal.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jun 2016

The way I get out of the car is to always grab the metal frame, often with both hands, to make sure I'm grounded. I don't get shocked getting out much any more, just when I have to put the key in...

I chuckled at the antics of your horses, making me think of how some animals give you a gift
I'd say you managed to save enough, by your previous descriptions. Those trees are happy

With fire ants, you have to stay on top of them, so to speak, especially if your neighbors don't do anything to get rid of them, too.

To your success!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
35. Yep.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jun 2016

The only thing you have to be careful about is mildew. But, make the dandelion-root spray mentioned above, and it won't be a problem

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
8. Dandelion – Dynamic Accumulator
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

Among the other plants that I use, Dandelions send a root down deep into the soil where it extracts elements that you would not get into the leaves of other plants.

The plant can be pulled, and a handful bubbled in a barrel, with the strained water that results used for foliar sprays and regular watering. Some people find that it helps their plants grow. Since I have started using it along with comfrey, yarrow, mallow, stinging nettle and some others, I have not seen powdery mildew on my treated plants, which was what started me using it in the first place.

It is highly edible, from the flower through the roots. Some people roast the roots and use them as a coffee substitute.

Something I might try, thiis person makes vinegar: http://crowsdaughtersherbs.blogspot.com/2008/01/dandelion-has-been-potent-ally-of-mine.html


NJCher

(35,675 posts)
47. powdery mildew, ehh?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jun 2016

I'm posting about that at the gardening thread tomorrow. I do hope you'll stop by and tell about your results.

I used to make dandelion bouquets for my mother when I was a little girl.

Now I make dandelion tea. This is one of the most vitamin-packed teas you can make. I don't mind the bitterness, but those who do can mix it with another tea or with some agave. Dandelion tea is a nutritional powerhouse!

But I do understand the person who made the sign. I assiduously clip my flowers before they go to seed. Imagine having a neighbor with hundreds of them...

Ay yi yi, the work.


Cher

Mendocino

(7,491 posts)
11. I keep a pesticide free property.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

I have clover, dandelions and wild violets growing in the turf areas, native grasses and sedge, wildflowers and shrubs. My grass stays green all season unlike the lawn service dependent neighbors. I only water my vegetable garden. I see hummingbirds daily in season, chipmunks and squirrels, garter snakes and toads. I have plenty of bees; and strange insects that I can't identify.

A natural yard may not be perfect, but it sure is pretty.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. All I do to my yard is fertilize and mow
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jun 2016

Those two things alone keep most of the weeds down. I just don't worry about the rest of them.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
15. A golf course lawn is worse than a desert.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016

At least a semi arid desert will support a varity of life

Mendocino

(7,491 posts)
21. My parents lived on a golf course in Florida.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

Green lush grass, no weeds, impeccable. It was full of ponds and canals with huge bass and sunfish, some residents did fish. The residents were warned to never eat their catch.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,328 posts)
20. My buddy has a cabin that backs up to a farm in Door County Wisconsin.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

A couple years ago, the farm changed hands to an organic farmer and now he gets all types of life he hadn't seen in years. Butterflies, lightning bugs, bees, bats etc. etc.

He says it's a world of difference.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
12. I look forward to when I have a lawn.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

Because I will be cultivating dandelions.

Maybe I should put up a sign, too. Such as:

"Experimental Dandelion Cultivation Research Station"

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
50. I had a friend who put a homemade "State of Texas Wildflower Research"
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

sign in his yard in the spring. He had these pretty purple foxgloves that would come up every year.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
52. I like that :)
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

Both the wildflowers and the sign. Plus, it will make the less-informed think it is official. It might even work with problematic HOAs

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
22. yum
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.splendidtable.org/recipes/dandelion-flower-cookies

To Prepare Dandelion Flowers for Use in Recipes:

1. Wash them thoroughly.

2. Measure the required quantity of intact flowers into a measuring cup.

3. Hold flowers by the tip with the fingers of one hand and pinch the green flower base very hard with the other, releasing the yellow florets from their attachment. Shake the yellow flowers into a bowl. Flowers are now ready to be incorporated into recipes.

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http://hillfarmstead.com/main/2016/5/9/dandelion-picking-2016.html

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Dandelion Wine Recipe

Early in the morning when the dew is on the flowers, pick one gallon of perfect, open dandelion blossoms.

Put the flowers in a two gallon or larger open crock and pour boiling water over them. Cover the crock with cheesecloth and....

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
29. Mmmm Dandelion Wine
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

I was going through my grandma's old recipes and found a different recipes for homemade wine, include dandelion wine. I haven't been brave enough to make my own.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
44. Wonderful! I understand Japan loves its dandelions! So good for bees.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jun 2016

You fooled me. I expected a scorched diatribe against those of us who leave them alone. Thanks for a smile.

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