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Fla Dem

(23,677 posts)
9. Congrats to the Cub and their fans.
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:21 AM
Nov 2016

As a long suffering Red Sox fan before they won a World Series in 2004 after an 86 year drought, I totally understand your elation and excitement.

Theo Epstein deserves a lot of the credit.

With Red Sox, Cubs, Theo Epstein ends 2 longest World Series droughts, becomes sure Hall of Famer

First with the Boston Red Sox and now with the Chicago Cubs, Theo Epstein is responsible for ending the two longest championship droughts in Major League Baseball history.

As a 30-year-old GM in 2004, Epstein halted the Red Sox's 86-year curse. His resilient Sox club came from down 3-0 in the best-of-seven ALCS against the rival New York Yankees to win the series 4-3, then swept the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series 4-0.

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http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2016/11/theo_epstein_chicago_cubs_vs_c.html

FlyByNight

(1,756 posts)
12. Red Sox fan here too
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 01:31 PM
Nov 2016

Completely understand how the Cubs' fans feel.

Couldn't be happier for them (team and fans). Feels pretty damn good.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
11. Congrats!
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 12:59 PM
Nov 2016

I don't follow baseball and know virtually nothing about it, but even I kept checking the scores last night.

Too bad it didn't happen in 2015 so Back to the Future II could have been prophetic.

Time to play Beethoven's Ode to Joy from the 9th.

elleng

(130,952 posts)
13. Here 'tis!
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016


I'm a fan of my locals, these days Washington Nationals, and I rarely watch due to jinxes. Like you, I checked the scores last night!

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
14. I reminisced a bit today - remembering some of the lowlights
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 04:19 PM
Nov 2016

of my years of suffering through Cub baseball.
The first thing that came to my mind was the "college of coaches." Anybody else remember that? I won't go deep into it, but just to remind the faithful that one of the coaches who rotated into the managerial spot took a little siesta on the bench during the game one fine afternoon.

My ear was always glued to the Cub game from the time I was @ 10 years old. Daily I would look at the standings and figure out things like "if the Cubs can win 20 in a row and the Braves lose 20 in a row they'd be tied."

Usually after labor day crowds would number in the low hundreds. Listening to those games you could here the echoes when someone stomped a paper beer cup ...........

Like so many old farts I could go on.

Congratulations and peace to all you Cub fans out there.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
15. I'm curious, Chicagoites...was there a similar reaction when the White Sox won in 2005...?
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
Nov 2016

...they, too, had a curse: the Curse of the Black Sox. And this, unlike billy goats, was a real curse, a curse with teeth. Seems to me that throwing a World Series is even a bigger curse than selling Babe Ruth...LOL...but all the hoopla over the Cubs--which is fine; I'm excited, too, as it's good for baseball--seems a little out of proportion to the modest excitement when the White Sox won the Series...

Jetboy

(792 posts)
16. The Cubs had a real curse too. Ever hear of 'Merkel's Boner' and how the Cubs stole
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 02:50 AM
Nov 2016

the 1908 NL Pennant from the New York Giants?

9th inning, 2 out. The Giants had runners on first and third (Merkel was on first) when their batter struck the game winning hit. Fans stormed the field (the Old Polo Grounds) and pandemonium ensued. One of the Cubs found a baseball which may or may not have been the right ball, stepped on second base and the Umpire who ended up working for the Cubs years later called Merkel out since he never made it to second amid the raucous mob. The winning run therefor did not count. That game and season ended in a tie and the Cubs behind 3 Finger Brown defeated Christy Mathewson for the 1908 NL Pennant in the tie breaking game. The scene was one of the most incredible in sports history and the pennant chase of 1908 the most exciting in the history of baseball.

Keep in mind that the Cubs LOST 7 WORLD SERIES BEFORE THE GOAT. Curses don't work retroactively. The Cubs had a very real very baseball oriented curse and the blood sucking media would've trotted it out had the Cubs lost to the Indians.

Harry Caray worked for the White Sox and then he went to the Cubs. That fact on top of the ubiquitous WGN Superstation in the 1980s turned the team into a powerhouse at the turnstile while the White Sox remained a local and not national team.

The goat was known back in 1945 for what it was which is a contrived publicity stunt. For those that believe in curses it was Baseball Gods angry at the Cubs actions surrounding the Merkel game that was the curse and certainly not some goat that came along after the Cubs LOST 7 WORLD SERIES.

Jetboy

(792 posts)
17. The Cubs wanted the 1908 Pennant so bad they resorted to poor sportsmanship.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 02:58 AM
Nov 2016

Baseball Gods said 'You can have this one but never again for 108 years!'

That's the short version of the Cubs curse. There were never more words wasted in the history of the earth than any words dedicated to talking about a publicity stunt done AFTER the Cubs lost 7 World Series. (goat)

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
18. That's interesting, about the Merkle Curse...
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 11:16 AM
Nov 2016

...I know that Johnny Evers did the same thing three weeks before the Merkle Game--that is, touched second, claiming the runner was out--and the umpire, Hank O'Day, didn't enforce the rule then. But it got O'Day thinking, and when the same situation came along, he did call Merkle out. It's always seemed to me that if what Merkle did was commonplace, which it was, then choosing that particular moment to enforce the rule, with a pennant on the line, was a mistake. Certainly, the Giants won the pennant on the field. Though the Pirates may have been better than either of them...certainly, Wagner's 1908 season might have been the best anyone ever had, even better than any of Ruth's.

Jetboy

(792 posts)
19. If there are Baseball Gods, the Merkel Incident would be just the thing to piss them off.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 05:13 PM
Nov 2016

'Oh you can have 1908 since you want it so bad, but cursed are you for 108 years!'

I never understood why the media bought into the TIMELINE inaccurate and completely contrived goat business when the Merkel Incident was a real event, far more interesting, logical (if a curse can be such a thing) and plausible than a goat that came along in 1945. Curses don't work retroactively and the Cubs LOST 6 World Series before the goat came along.

It was my fear that the Cubs would lose the World Series then the media would dig up the Merkel stuff and away we go again. THANK GOD THE CUBS WON!

Jetboy

(792 posts)
20. And yeah it was bullshit that O'Day called Merkel out but not the guy from
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
Nov 2016

a few weeks earlier. O'Day later went on to work for the Cubs.

The 1908 Cubs, Giants and Pirates; greatest pennant chase of all time.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
21. Agreed about 1908 NL...though the AL had a terrific race that year, too...
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 05:30 PM
Nov 2016

...a few other candidates: 1920 AL, 1942 and 1946 NL, 1951 NL--of course!--1967 AL, 1978 AL East, and 1993 NL West--the last true pennant race. Too bad the damned "wild card" has destroyed pennant races.

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