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The Walking Dead 7.16 "The First Day of the Rest of Your Life" (spoiler alert - season finale) (Original Post) NewJeffCT Apr 2017 OP
I can't believe this is season finale already... hlthe2b Apr 2017 #1
I know - we need to wait until July NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #2
The finale better be good since the rest of the season has sucked nt doc03 Apr 2017 #3
some articles from the past week NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #4
some recent memes NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #5
There is something subliminal in one of those pictures. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #7
the baseball bat? NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #10
Nope. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #13
hmm NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #14
Okay. It's a pickle. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #16
more articles NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #6
I would like to see Gregory and Eugene killed almost as much as Negan. nt doc03 Apr 2017 #8
Settling in to watch. Watching the rerun from last week now. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #9
hope everything is okay there NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #11
Yeah. Me, too. On Negan living. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #12
almost time to go NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #15
sasha in her cell NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #18
What a terrible way to start! Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #17
sasha flashback to Abe? NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #20
I think it was made to look like Sasha had taken the poison and was about to die Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #23
Hey everybody! Here we go! bettyellen Apr 2017 #19
So, is Dwight sincere NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #21
Sasha asks Negan for only one person to die NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #22
Looks like everybody will be meeting in Alexandria NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #24
and the junkyard dogs NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #25
Should have seen that one coming. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #29
I knew trash heap lady had a thing for Rick. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #26
So, he opens the coffin and she falls out dead. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #30
She comes out a walker and all hell breaks loose Solly Mack Apr 2017 #31
I'll take that too!!!!! Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #33
See? :) Solly Mack Apr 2017 #34
So worth it. So worth it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #35
Trash Heap Lady needs Rick to survive the battle. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #36
She's switching back to Team Rick? Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #38
No. The Kingdom is coming. I take back what I said about her being smart though. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #41
Carol! CAROL! Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #42
The tiger made me cheer. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #47
Good call! Iris Apr 2017 #37
Well, it is the walking dead. You have to die twice to actually die. :) Solly Mack Apr 2017 #40
Eugene gets redemption if absolutely no one in our group dies Solly Mack Apr 2017 #32
Eugene gave us the twist we needed. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #39
Nah. Eugene is a walking dead man. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #45
"Eugene is dead to me" Solly Mack. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #46
You saw Rosita's face while Eugene was talking? You saw Rick make the call to kill Eugene? Solly Mack Apr 2017 #49
Yrs, but, what if, what if... Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #53
They take Eugene back into the fold and the next strong group comes along Solly Mack Apr 2017 #61
Holy Treachery, Batman. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #27
Yep NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #28
Tiger Bait! Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #43
That Girl is alive... Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #44
Yes NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #48
Maybe the Kingdomites NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #50
Brilliant. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #51
That widow girl? herding cats Apr 2017 #65
Negan ain't stupid Eugene. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #52
Do you think Jesus and Maggie intentionally went looking for Sasha Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #54
What is the meaning behind the toy soldier? Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #55
I'm not sure NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #56
Dwight carved the soldiers NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #59
Yes. They wouldn't want her wandering around as a walker forever Iris Apr 2017 #58
Sasha's exit was the best in memory. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #57
Totally agree. herding cats Apr 2017 #64
just wondering jesskirablue42 Apr 2017 #60
The characters have had to adapt to their new environment over several season. Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #63
I would say so. Flaleftist Apr 2017 #74
Damn did that suck, I beleive I will drop the Walking Dead after this season. nt doc03 Apr 2017 #62
I agree with SM on Talking Dead about her death. It made sense for her character. Solly Mack Apr 2017 #66
Garbage people betrayal was the best twist the show has had in forever, that was awesome Baclava Apr 2017 #67
Scott Gimple - the showrunner NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #68
yeah, the formula has been to stretch out the finales, at least this one wasn't a total cliffhanger Baclava Apr 2017 #69
Negan still has more "soldiers" than NewJeffCT Apr 2017 #70
But how many of the Negans are looking for a reason to mutiny? Baitball Blogger Apr 2017 #72
What about Dwight? That was a quick betrayal. Iris Apr 2017 #73
Final thought- I did not like seeing Michonne all beat up like that Iris Apr 2017 #71

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
2. I know - we need to wait until July
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:37 AM
Apr 2017

until we get Game of Thrones. The previous two years, it started the week after

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
13. Nope.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:22 PM
Apr 2017

If someone did it on purpose, it's clever. Look for superimposed images. I won't say more just in case I'm wrong. My eyes were just tired enough to see it.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
9. Settling in to watch. Watching the rerun from last week now.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 08:12 PM
Apr 2017

Not looking at spoilers.

Negan will probably survive. Unfortunately.

And he'll help, eventually, to rid the group of the trash heap people - who will turn ugly in the end. Maybe.

I don't know. lol

Storming here, under flash flood warning, raining like crazy, yard is already under water....so, as long as the power holds out, I'm watching.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
22. Sasha asks Negan for only one person to die
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 09:19 PM
Apr 2017

I think she means it to be her - and she'll take the poison

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
29. Should have seen that one coming.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 09:52 PM
Apr 2017

They go the road of least resistance. They didn't seem to have a major beef with Negan.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
26. I knew trash heap lady had a thing for Rick.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 09:38 PM
Apr 2017

Michonne should have answered "Yes. He belongs to me."

Rick backing away. lol

Sasha is so going to die tonight and they are making it worse for us.


Abraham! Even for the moment!!!


Sasha will offer herself up as the one to die.


I'm already sad.

Trash heap people have eyes on the Rick homestead.

Eugene has to die, too. Sorry. He has to go. No redemption from me.


Ha! Knew it! Told my husband last week if the trash heap people didn't betray Rick tonight then they would eventually have to fight them. I figured they'd have to fight the thp sooner or later.

And they betrayed them tonight.

THL was the real little birdie.

Who will come to the rescue?

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
30. So, he opens the coffin and she falls out dead.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 09:53 PM
Apr 2017

Just means someone else has to die.

Eugene gets redemption if he pulls out a bomb out of that coffin.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
35. So worth it. So worth it.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 09:59 PM
Apr 2017

But, I almost lost the full affect because Rick couldn't get away from the junkyard Queen.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
38. She's switching back to Team Rick?
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:01 PM
Apr 2017

Just like that? She's going to lose people, and possibly, support from her people.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
41. No. The Kingdom is coming. I take back what I said about her being smart though.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:05 PM
Apr 2017

THL is still a double-crosser.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
47. The tiger made me cheer.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:15 PM
Apr 2017

Hilltop came!

They have to kill the THP now, as well as the Saviors.


In the comics, the tiger...well, nevermind.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
39. Eugene gave us the twist we needed.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:02 PM
Apr 2017

He knew Sasha was going to off herself in that coffin. All she needed was a bottle of water.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
49. You saw Rosita's face while Eugene was talking? You saw Rick make the call to kill Eugene?
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:18 PM
Apr 2017

Now recall Eugene's own words - people will die by the decisions they make today. Well, I am not the only one who wrote him off.

He wrote himself off with his own words.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
61. They take Eugene back into the fold and the next strong group comes along
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:36 PM
Apr 2017

does Eugene run off to be with who he thinks can protect him better? That has been his MO. He didn't just tell Rosita to take a right, take a left, take another right, just to find Glenn and Tara - he sensed their giving natures compared to Abraham's aggressive behavior. Abraham was giving as well - just in a bad place mentally. Eugene saved Abraham with his lies as much as Abraham saved him to be sure.

I think Eugene wanted more people, more options for his survival.

Granted, he was taken by Negan and he was brave to speak up....but Eugene can't be trusted.

He needed Sasha to stay and accept Negan to validate his own decision. Well, I'm not so wrong if someone like Sasha will do the same.

Eugene is a coward...that's fine. But he said it himself...he is a selfish coward. Selfish being the one trait you can't trust. Not in their world.

Abraham and Sasha were talking about dying is OK when you do it for others. To keep them safe. To keep the future going.

Eugene? Not at all.

When Eugene saw those books in his room, when he had a video game to play - plenty of food and strong people to watch over him - as one of the named and not a number - he was bought. Full hog.

But let's say he does help Rick and the rest get into the Sanctuary and then does even more to take the Saviors out, then maybe - just maybe - I'll grant him the exact same kind of reprieve Daryl granted Dwight. Provisional, and dependent upon outcomes.

That said - I have enjoyed Eugene in the comics.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
44. That Girl is alive...
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:11 PM
Apr 2017

Worth seeing it twice just to find out what he said, word for word.

Don't know how the tiger can differentiate between the Saviours and everybody else, but, I'm okay with a little suspension of disbelief.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
50. Maybe the Kingdomites
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:18 PM
Apr 2017

put something on them of a certain scent? Or, maybe it was related to the pig meat from early in the season?

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
65. That widow girl?
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:53 PM
Apr 2017

That was my take, but I have only seen it once. Seeing Negan off his game and shocked was priceless, though.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
59. Dwight carved the soldiers
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:30 PM
Apr 2017

at the Sanctuary. He's saying he didn't know the Junkyarders would betray Rick and company

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
64. Totally agree.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:52 PM
Apr 2017

This was a satisfying season end for me. I knew Sasha was going to make that choice and was hoping she'd come back somehow and wreck havoc as a walker... then the coffin and you knew it was going to be so.

I just caught up on the series last week, and just now finished the last episode, so I didn't get to play in here with all you. I kind of wish I hadn't boycotted (but still DVR'd) it for so long now. This turned out to be a good season sans the first episode. Which I still think was a classic example of overplaying a big dramatic moment. Yes, even now after seeing the finale.

 

jesskirablue42

(50 posts)
60. just wondering
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:32 PM
Apr 2017

are there any good guys on the show?

or just villains and "anti" heroes?

I mean, besides the gore, what is the appeal?

and I specifically DON'T watch it because of the gore. But people just want to watch shit that turns them callous too..those are the real zombies..

people without empathy or feelings for each other.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
63. The characters have had to adapt to their new environment over several season.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 10:44 PM
Apr 2017

Good guys? The purest in the group died early. What we learned about "society", given the new conditions, is that survival requires crossing that line. You will have to kill zombies, or people who want you dead. Period.

But, what we learned in this season is that "the good people" who learned to follow these rules and were good at it, are now dealing with PTSD. They tried to seek more peaceful environments to get away from the killing, but in the end, had to return to it for...wait for it...survival.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
74. I would say so.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:17 PM
Apr 2017

I guess the closest thing to bad the group did was when Rick's group raided the Savior's outpost and killed them in their sleep, but they were soldiers of Negan. They were the enemy. They murdered people trying to mind their own business so it's hard to feel bad for them. Some of them may have only been working for Negan out of fear that he would kill them or people they cared about if they didn't do as they were told, but 'Just following orders' isn't an excuse for murder. So I have little sympathy for them.

It took a while to get to that point. The initial episodes were about the collapse of society and how different people dealt with it. How far some people would go to protect loved ones. How far some people would go to protect themselves.

I would definitely call the Saviors and smaller groups they encountered before them the villains and I am leaning towards good guys for Rick's group. Time and time again they try to find or build a peaceful society, but bad guys get in the way and they have no choice but to fight. So it isn't about equally nasty gangs fighting each other for power like in some movies and shows. I probably wouldn't care for the show if it was. Sons of Anarchy is a violent show that I never really go into because I didn't find the characters likable.

Solly Mack

(90,771 posts)
66. I agree with SM on Talking Dead about her death. It made sense for her character.
Sun Apr 2, 2017, 11:41 PM
Apr 2017

When you consider her arc from the prison until now. They made it hard because of how the show played out, you knew she was going to die - you just knew. And with the Abraham scenes making it worse. But then you know not-so-dead Sasha would come out and all hell would break loose - you cheered. She's dead but she died for others. She died to keep the future alive. All those times she was ready to give up, after Bob, after Tyreese....only to find hope with Abraham...a hope she carried with her even after his death. A purpose and not just shutting herself off.

Still not pleased with Eugene though.

I got a thing about loyalty. Obviously. lol

I adore JDM even though I want his character killed off.

Love the beard.

Long live Sasha!

Glad SM explained her comments to Eugene.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
67. Garbage people betrayal was the best twist the show has had in forever, that was awesome
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 02:45 AM
Apr 2017

Dammit! I was >< this close to seeing my dream of Carl getting his brains splattered

but I knew they'd stuff everything good into the last 10 minutes

"War" for the next two seasons?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
68. Scott Gimple - the showrunner
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 08:22 AM
Apr 2017

seems to have some good long-term ideas for the show, but a lot of times, the execution is poor. They really didn't need an entire hour to set up the big showdown in Alexandria. It really could have been done in 30 minutes with 25 minutes for the showdown and then the 5 minutes to wrap it all up. The last 30 minutes was great, though.

The same thing happened with last year's finale - they spent an hour setting up the group being entrapped by Negan and The Saviors and then we had the showdown and the Negan monologue. They could just as easily done the entrapment in 30 minutes and have Negan make his entrance at the end again.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
69. yeah, the formula has been to stretch out the finales, at least this one wasn't a total cliffhanger
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:25 AM
Apr 2017

...with more teases than answers


"The widow is alive!"

Maggie won't be hiding anymore

yay!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
70. Negan still has more "soldiers" than
Mon Apr 3, 2017, 11:29 AM
Apr 2017

Alexandria, The Kingdom or Hilltop, probably more combined if you saw that last scene.

He could likely just overwhelm each location, one at a time.

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