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Related: About this forumTrumka: Voters said they were “desperate” for new economic life
http://peoplesworld.org/trumka-voters-said-they-were-desperate-for-new-economic-life/WASHINGTON - "The defining narrative of this election was confirmation, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Americans are desperate for a new economic life," said AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka on Wednesday. After a disappointing election night, Trumka held a press conference to discuss the election and release the results of a poll conducted by Hart Research Associates that looked into the story behind the headlines. He said voters made it clear they want an economy that works for everyone.
"But the fact of the matter is that people are disillusioned by endless political bickering and eyed these elections with great dispirit," he said. "In way too many elections, they got a false choice. In these very difficult times, they did not get a genuine economic alternative to their unhappiness and very real fear of the future.
"But when voters did have a chance to choose their future directly-through ballot measures-their decisions are unmistakable," Trumka declared, pointing to the Hart Research poll.
The poll found that voters heavily support working family issues. Voters overwhelmingly support most of the issues that the labor federation has championed in recent years: 75 percent support increased funding for public schools, 73 percent favor taxing American corporations on profits they make overseas, 62 percent support raising the federal minimum wage and 61 percent support increasing Social Security benefits. Meanwhile, only 27 percent support raising the Social Security retirement age and only 18 percent support raising the Medicare eligibility age.
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Thoughts? I'm torn. I still don't see how this translates into voting across the board for politicians against these issues.
BP2
(554 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Let the shit hit the fan. Sad to say,many did that the way it appears. Sitting on one's hands isn't the answer.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)leads voters to blame Democrats for the results of Republican policies.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)who were not in poverty b4 2008 are now, along with about 30 million others who are near there. Since this administration started 4 million families were thrown out in foreclosure with the 3 million before that, tens of millions of jobs which used to support whole families are gone and never ever coming back, and a portion of them have been replaced with shit jobs.
It matters not that the cause was prior to this. What they voted for was not a group to make excuses and point fingers - nobody hires for that, and these hard working people hired a group that offered "hope". They needed relief from a criminal enterprise in which this country was the victim. What they got was a slap in the face as they watched banksters and the wealthy inflate their own purses and walk away from things that would have sent non-donors to the Democratic Party to prison, and maybe the death chamber. And now we know that was the plan all along.
The economy is fine if you are Mi$$ RobMe (assets reported at $250 million) or Barack Obama, (assets reported at $12 million), but if you are one of those folks who used to make up the middle class, you used to be a likely voter, and your personal economy is very likely in the shitter.
During this Presidency you went from there to poverty. it is now an odds on favorite that you will die in poverty, and your children too. During that same time the banks reported greater profits than they had in their history, primarily because this administration helped the banks.
Jon Stewart interviewed Tmothy McVe, I mean Geither (I get my killers mixed up), Obama's ex-Treasury Sect, about his new book "Stress Test", wherein Geithner describes how they made sure the banks were ok on the backs of the people. Stewart said during the interview
"The perception is that you went to hell and back for the banks, not so much for the people".
The audience applauded.
Geithner came back with a bunch of BS spin - the audience laughed at his face.
Those were the same voters for which this election was held.
A story about a poll from Pew - " target="_blank">Here.
"Despite recovery, fewer Americans identify as middle class"
These are people, getting more frightened and less secure by the year. They don't have $250 million or $12 million. Many can't even make it through the month without running out of money.
I have heard all sorts of excuses, but I haven't heard anyone acknowledge that tens of millions of people - who have been used to voting, who are seriously hurting,(and for many it is getting worse). And after 6 years they KNOW there is no hope.
And they didn't turn out for this. How could it have been expected to go any other way?
I think a fair number of those people would have been just fine with a black guy in the White House if a nearly a third of the population hadn't been ignored and used, if someone had given a rat's ass about them in any way, shape, or form comparable to what we have done and are doing for the banksters. But since they are hurting they grab onto the old divisions that sit below the surface. Heck, maybe this will be the one productive thing that happens if it brings race relations to the surface, but probably not.
I think the working people of this country, and those who used to be the workforce just gave back ALL the interest that has been shown them for the past decade.
They didn't vote for them. They voted for help from anyplace but where they have learned not to look.
Or maybe not.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I've voted for people like DiFi, who personally disgusts me, for years.
I guess I'm not familiar with the middle-class and their voting vacillations.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Too bad Republicans are about to make them poorer.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Since a whole bunch didn't have much to start with, and many are worse off after the past few years, so maybe there isn't so much left t be scared over.
I guess when people get used to trying to use fear to get their way and it doesn't work they just don't know how to stop. Kinda sad. 'Course, I suspect some people have become immune to the less important things.
Frankly, people who have to do that instead of actually accomplishing something have lost already.
You take care. I'm sure you will find someone to be scared.
TBF
(32,067 posts)so don't jump off a bridge or anything (I have to tell myself this because I live in Texas - with someone dumber than Rick Perry taking over the governor seat). Young people really don't know that midterms can be just as critical as the presidential year elections.
But I think there is a lot of defeatism out there - from my centrist dem husband who didn't bother because he had to "get to work" and "Wendy has no chance" to so many working class folks who believe it doesn't matter at all to them. Economically, I mean. And they truly have a case. Obama has been a great president for the 1%. Stock market is great, banks are happy, oil companies are going to get their pipeline. It's harder to pinpoint what he has actually done economically for everyone else.
Local folks on my facebook feed (deep red Texas) stated that it was "time to clean house" and they were quite pleased with themselves. They don't like Ebola, teh gays, or the black president.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Hopefully she'll run agains.
I agree with all your points. I just wish Dems had run on economic populism and gotten the message out. Even though results in CA were better as far as elections, even there the message was rather lukewarm.
TBF
(32,067 posts)to get the economic message across but was drowned out by cries of "Abortion Barbie" ... I mean that is what we are dealing with down here. With Texas I talk a lot about demographics because these folks truly are not rational. They are really into their churches and some will tell you to your face that science can't be right because it doesn't line up with the bible. Young Texans liked Wendy so it's just a waiting game here.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)I don't think this analysis goes far enough. Voters get discouraged when nothing changes, so they begin to vacillate between the two offered parties. When party R doesn't do anything to improve their situation, they vote for party D. When D doesn't do anything, the swing back to party R. The nuances of WHY parties R and D aren't doing anything are lost on most voters who are politically naïve.
BTW, this is not just an American phenomena. It's happening in Europe too. And it'll continue to happen until somebody stands up and says, I'm on the side of the people and NOT the wealthy. IOW, until they actually SAY it and not just say, " We're more on your side than the other guys are".
Even then it won't work because nobody in the established parties will actually DO anything, at least not anything major under the dictatorship of capital, but at least we could put the bourgeois parties, even the populist ones, to the test.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's frustrating that even the mildest reforms are going to be off the table too.
I don't know how much worse it is supposed to get before reality starts penetrating.
TBF
(32,067 posts)we'll see when they pass TPP.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)after a while they don't bother going to the polls at all. The Democrats have allowed socialism to become a dirty word when it was the only thing that allowed capitalism to function without eating itself alive. 60% of the people have tuned out as their jobs are sent overseas or their wages have stagnated while there costs to live have gone through the roof. The Democrats won't even embrace unions because it's too socialist.
Good to see you all.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Maybe even the biggest problem. I read somewhere that only a third of the eligible voters turned out for these mid-terms. But to me, the discouragement goes hand-in-hand with the vacillation of the ones who DO bother to vote. IOW, they are two different problems with the same cause, which is that neither of the two "allowed" parties they can choose between actually represents them.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)And IIRC Ray Gun's "landslide" only received 27% of eligible voters.