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" Hot takes are boring, so forgive me for serving up this sizzling fajita plate of an edict, but the Beatles are overrated. Its our fault, not theirs."
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The Beatles are overrated. Thats our fault, not theirs.
By Chris Richards
Pop music critic
Today at 2:12 p.m. EST
Hot takes are boring, so forgive me for serving up this sizzling fajita plate of an edict, but the Beatles are overrated. Its our fault, not theirs. This band made profoundly beautiful music, and as a society and a species, we have a very hard time saying goodbye to the things we love. So to make things easier on everybody, our current pop culture leans toward rejecting the idea of finality altogether. No Hollywood franchise shall go un-rebooted, no vintage Beatles footage shall go unseen. Rich people get richer, our imaginations get poorer and nothing is allowed to end.
Which is why so many people chose to spend nearly eight hours of their wild and precious lives watching The Beatles: Get Back over the recent holiday weekend, a three-part documentary series on Disney Plus directed by Peter Jackson in which the Beatles literally come quite close to fulfilling the consensus expectation that they be everything to everyone. Get Back is interesting, irritating, sweet, stultifying, illuminating, punishing, satisfying, totally life-sucking, ultimately unnecessary and still pretty cool.
The footage 60 hours of film originally shot by Michael Lindsay-Hogg that Jackson has edited down to eight was gathered back in January 1969 as the Beatles aimed to write and record a new album in a tight two weeks, then unveil it in a grand televised concert that was eventually downsized to a nontelevised romp on a London rooftop that would famously end up being their last public performance. Throughout the 22-day process, various deadlines get blown, but the songs eventually get written, and with the refreshing presence of guest keyboardist Billy Preston, the Beatles find a way to run out of gas with smiles on their faces. Countless bands have marked their respective declines in tears, fists or worse. Its nice to have proof that the Beatles didnt go out like that.
This much proof, though? Get Back offers hours upon hours of rehearsal footage and all the rudderless noodling, joking, bickering, dithering and guitar tuning that goes with it but try not to zone out because, look, they just figured out how to play Dont Let Me Down. Enduring this whole thing is not unlike hearing some of the greatest songs ever written come together on the sales floor of a Guitar Center. Maybe well go on rehearsing forever, says George Harrison, 252 minutes into the proceedings. Back to the drudgery, says Paul McCartney at the 318-minute mark. John Lennon is prone to yawning, and shouting, and singing in silly voices when hes bored, while Ringo Starr, as patient and economical in conversation as he is on the drums, is never seen complaining.
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Which brings us back to those fajitas, now silent and room-temperature. When McCartney foresees his bandmates very old, we need not mourn the 21st-century Beatles reunion album that nobody gets to hear. The music these four managed to record between 1962 and 1970 is enough to sustain a lifetime of enjoyment, easy. But theres also an entire world of new music being made at this very moment, and its already passing us by. Yes, we have to make room for the past and the present to coexist in our listening lives but if were more excited about spending eight hours fly-on-the-walling with the Beatles than opening our ears to what this world currently sounds like, imagine what well be grieving another 50 years from now.
By Chris Richards
Chris Richards has been The Washington Post's pop music critic since 2009. Before joining The Post, he freelanced for various music publications. Twitter https://twitter.com/Chris__Richards
Fiendish Thingy
(15,690 posts)But to state, based on an overlong documentary of the pressured recording of their weakest album, that the band is overrated, is simply attention-seeking contrarian click bait.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)If they were able to create some decent music on such a tight time frame, that speaks to their talent I think. Unless I am really overestimating what it takes to make music unless you are a musical genius like Prince.
rsdsharp
(9,223 posts)You can read The Hobbit in less time than it takes to watch his trilogy.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I actually find it quite charming and enjoyable. And their 'worst album' is better than 95% of any albums ever made
I'd rather hear it than disc 2 of The Beatles on most days, so there's that.
Honestly it's really easy to say a band is overrated when they're ranked basically as Gods in the pantheon of rock and roll. You couldn't BE any more highly-rated, so ... I'd go with maybe a LITTLE bit?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,690 posts)not counting the soundtrack for Yellow Sub
In the US, Capitol sliced and diced the 13-14 track UK albums, added singles and b sides usually left off the UK albums to make even more 11-12 track albums.
The US version of Rubber Soul was just such a patch job, but was still good enough to inspire and challenge Brian Wilson to create Pet Sounds.
Nevertheless, the weakest Beatles album is indeed better than most of the strongest albums by any of their contemporaries- I too have a sentimental soft spot for it.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)And yet still, IMHO, LIB is better than any entire album prior to Rubber Soul.
Not saying every song on it is better than every earlier song, not by any stretch.
And yes, I'm talking original EMI British versions (and Capitol's Magical Mystery Tour, the one US version also considered canonical at this point).
Of course, I also think Help! is better than Hard Day's Night, so ... what do *I* know
Fiendish Thingy
(15,690 posts)I think your opinion of LIB is an uncommon one, at least in the circles of Beatlefans, I mingle with, but thats how it goes with music.
But then, Im a massive fan of Power Pop, a genre most people have trouble even defining, let alone appreciating.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I know there's some filler but the best tracks are so solid. So there it is. I will also say ... I consider the non-Spectorized 'Long and Winding Road' to be the definitive version, and I like it WAY better, so I'm maybe rating the record higher than I should on those grounds. It's schlocky on LIB but the stripped down version is great.
Also ... Don't Let Me Down is the b-side of Get Back, and is in the movie, so I can't help but count it in 'the list of songs on that album' even though it's technically ... not
And I dig me some power pop. Big Star is an absolute all-time fave of mine, as is Matthew Sweet's early 90's stuff. Badfinger, T-Rex, Cheap Trick, Teenage Fanclub, to name a few others I dig.
You're right, it is kinda hard to define, it's more like you say 'the bands that are called power pop' instead of trying to define it
Also Abbey Road is clearly the greatest top-to-bottom Beatles record, and anyone who says differently is just wrong
Fiendish Thingy
(15,690 posts)Which has both DLMD and the stripped LAWR.
Dig A Pony is my go-to warm up song when I play bass.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)You're right, the bone-stock is probably not the level of HDN or Help! ... but with those 2 improvements ... it becomes noticeably more great.
And I absolutely love Dig a Pony, even if it is a silly song.
ProfessorGAC
(65,319 posts)But, I'm nuts about Revolver too.
Then Abbey Road.
That's my top 3.
Tribetime
(4,713 posts)They were phenomenal.
Tribetime
(4,713 posts)And every other group was trying to be them it's something that will never be seen again
brush
(53,949 posts)Tribetime
(4,713 posts)Tribetime
(4,713 posts)But that's just Paul McCartney's opinion
brush
(53,949 posts)What with Jagger being the front man and the only singer with grittier lyrics while the others played their harder edged sound. Both were great bands though. RIP to the two departed Beatles and the recently departed Charlie Watts.
thucythucy
(8,104 posts)six months earlier.
"We Love You" vs. "All You Need is Love."
"Their Satanic Majesties Request" vs. "Sgt. Pepper."
They even asked Lennon McCartney to play on some of their cuts, for instance "Dandelion."
Not to mention, Jagger and Richards only began writing their own songs when they saw Lennon/McCartney thrash out "I Wanna Be Your Man" for the Stone's second single. So I can see some justification for the comparison, keeping in mind that they were all friends and respected each other as musicians.
But for the most part they definitely had distinct styles. And there's nothing in the rock repetoire that matches the run of albums from "Beggars' Banquet" to "Exile on Main Street."
As for the "Get Back" series, as a former musician I appreciate the inside peek on how the Beatles went about crafting their songs. The footage of McCartney pulling "Get Back" out of thin air is remarkable. I also liked getting a glimpse of what they were listening to--quick shots of "Beggar's Banquet"--which had just been released--and the first CBS album compilation of Robert Johnson.
Saying the Beatles are over rated is absurd. Fifty plus years on their music still surprises and delights. I'm not sure what else about them needs to be said.
marble falls
(57,405 posts)calguy
(5,344 posts)Which, in my opinion, is the case today, the new music gets forgotten while the superior old stuff lives on.
This is why the Beatles are still popular today. They were the best of their era, along with the Rolling Stones and a few others who defined our generation.
I just don't see any new groups doing that today.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)kept drumming into me for decades that the Beatles were important because they kinda brought rock and roll back to America. And helped to spark an amazing era of creativity.
I recently listened to a bunch of top music videos from the 60s and 70s, like - the most pop songs by month, and I found he was pretty right.
He was right about disco sucking and new wave being pretty cool too.
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)The Beatles are in my DNA.
Apparently not his.
ProfessorGAC
(65,319 posts)The absence of understanding of the sine qua non nature of The Beatles is tedious.
Although I'm not a fan of the first, those having that status are Elvis, Buddy Holly, & The Beatles.
The latter 2 for putting the artist(s) in charge of the music. Their vision was paramount.
Every great band since owes a good part of their success & freedom to pursue their own musical path to Buddy & The Beatles.
Even Elvis didn't do that, because he retreated into pure pop written by others, played by others, etc.
But, he made rock mainstream & big time.
The fact that this guy misses that isn't explained by not being old enough. It's just willful obliviousness.