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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 02:20 PM Sep 2023

Is AI worth the investment for improving images?

There are a number of post-processing apps designed to improve images without changing them as well as plug-ins for Photoshop and other such programs. Noise reduction, sharpening and enlarging a small crop from a larger image can be done and done without much effort. What follows is an example of minimal image improvement. The file was provided by Gato Moteado and shot with a full frame digital camera at an ISO of 3100. The noise in the original file isn't objectionable but is is noticeable. To get the full effect of the changes you should download the images and inspect them in an image viewing app.



The image above is 6887x4591 pixels which renders as 30 mp. Below is a crop to emphasize the change possible. It is a 1570x1180 pixel crop or 2mp, a 15x enlargement.



The only thing done was a minimal noise reduction. A big problem with modifications to remove noise or sharpen is that the two functions have competed with each other. To remove noise older apps smoothed out the pixels which necessarily smudged edge definition making the image look soft and out of focus. On the other hand to sharpen an image the app would increase edge definition and contrast making the noise more noticeable. New AI based apps seem to find a way to overcome that issue.

Understand that a bad picture cannot be saved. You need to start with an acceptably sharp well exposed image. Still haven't found out how to make a silk purse from a pig's ear. I'll let you know when I do . . .

I do not own stock in any photo app and have no interest in sales of those products. There are many post processing noise reduction packages available. I do not benefit from or intend to promote the sale of any product. For use as education only. THIS IS NOT COMMERCIAL SPAM.

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Is AI worth the investment for improving images? (Original Post) AndyS Sep 2023 OP
Nicely done, Andy! The image is certainly improved. Thank you for your work! ♥ nt CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2023 #1
Topaz Photo AI annoys me mike_c Sep 2023 #2
amazing results! Gato Moteado Sep 2023 #3
Here ya' go. AndyS Sep 2023 #4
yeah....looks incredible.... Gato Moteado Sep 2023 #5

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
2. Topaz Photo AI annoys me
Sat Sep 2, 2023, 08:38 PM
Sep 2023

I use it for noise removal and raw file "presharpening." Noise reduction works well on auto pilot, but bear in mind that I'm doing studio lighting mostly, of unmoving subjects, so it's unusual for me to shoot above ISO 100. Anyway, Photo AI annoys me because I need to set particular sharpening values for print quality, which PAI does, but then it restores its default values from auto pilot the next time it's run. I build images up in layers, so a single photo might make many passes through PAI, all with the same parameters. But PAI restarts each pass with the auto pilot output rather than remembering the parameters I told it to use last time through. I'm sure I can turn that behavior off. I just haven't figured out how yet. Meanwhile it annoys the crap out of me.

Gato Moteado

(9,890 posts)
3. amazing results!
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 12:59 PM
Sep 2023

hey andy, can you post the entire image after your NR magic? i want to see what the beak looks like.

actually the same 15x crop of the whole head with NR would be best.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
4. Here ya' go.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 02:29 PM
Sep 2023


It can give you one or two stops on ISO easily. I went one step further and added about 5% sharpen and resized it to near original pixel count below.



This was done with Topaz Photo AI. It incorporates all of the features that the three stand-alone apps provide. Each feature can be turned off or on and the strength can be adjusted. It initially offers an AI assessment and selects the subject which means it can apply changes to the subject only, the background only or both. Usually the subject itself is in sharp focus and the noise is organized into texture and detail so it's not noticeable whereas the background with big blobs of bokeh screams noise.

You have to be careful with how to use this stuff. Keep it minimal because artifacts will begin to show up. My personal limit is: "If I print this to 16x20 and viewed it from 4 feet would I be able to see an improvement." Photographers are the only artists that apply the smell test to their work--getting so close that you can smell the ink. It's stupid, don't do that.

I hate to have to repeat this but; This is for information purposes only. I have no interest in the sale or use of this or any product. This is not commercial spam.



I think you can get a free trial with watermarks on all the pictures.

Gato Moteado

(9,890 posts)
5. yeah....looks incredible....
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 03:05 PM
Sep 2023

...and i imagine the software is going to continue to get better and better

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