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steve2470

(37,461 posts)
Sun May 14, 2023, 12:25 PM May 2023

An impossible question to answer: How many seniors and immunocompromised people in FL died ?

As I said in the subject line, it is impossible to answer. My understanding is that DeSantis disabled the Department of Health from collecting and publishing accurate statistics on all facets of COVID-19 in Florida. Maybe I understood the information wrong.

I posit this because, DeSantis is always trumpeting the "fact" that he kept Florida open, open for business, and "kept the schools open". I admit to not knowing the exact truths about all this.

However, I do know that the country of Sweden adopted a similar policy at the beginning of the pandemic, only to put in some restrictions for public health later. Their death rate per 100,000 was among the highest in Europe.

It seems to me that DeSantis' policy sacrificed seniors and the immunocompromised in favor of "openness". I wish we knew good stats about those two populations.

Thanks for your patience.

Steve

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An impossible question to answer: How many seniors and immunocompromised people in FL died ? (Original Post) steve2470 May 2023 OP
Actuaries and funeral homes would be able to derive Tetrachloride May 2023 #1
good idea, thanks ! nt steve2470 May 2023 #2
Look at year over year totals. gibraltar72 May 2023 #3
I believe there was a jump in pneumonia deaths reported. orthoclad May 2023 #4
They have to look at the "excess deaths" compared to other years. halfulglas May 2023 #5
COVID and accidents were 3 & 4 IbogaProject May 2023 #6

orthoclad

(3,104 posts)
4. I believe there was a jump in pneumonia deaths reported.
Sun May 14, 2023, 05:24 PM
May 2023

What we'd have to do is look at "excess death" statistics, because many covid victims, not just in FL, had other causes on the death certificate.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/
"In some counties, just half of the spike in deaths during the pandemic is attributed to COVID-19. Researchers say that points to a massive undercount."

We may have lost 2 million. We can be sure that covid deaths were undercounted.

There are a lot of ways a dishonest regime can frustrate fact-finding. After all, the Texas lt gov openly stated that grandma and grandpa shuld be willing to sacrifice their lives for "the economy". Really.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/dan-patrick-coronavirus-grandparents
"Texas Lt. Governor: Old People Should Volunteer to Die to Save the Economy"

DeSantis had private vax giveaways for wealthy people in pop-up vax clinics, with the hoi-polloi kept out by law enforcement. Private protection, public disparagement.
https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/02/17/desantis-defends-opening-vaccine-pop-up-site-in-affluent-mostly-white-community-1363903

Article shows picture with Seniors First sign.
"The Republican governor was already facing attacks by local officials upset he put the new “pod“ in the county’s two wealthiest zip codes, even as racial disparities continue to affect the state’s vaccine rollout, and he had blunt message he wanted to deliver in person: If you don’t like it, we’ll leave."

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
5. They have to look at the "excess deaths" compared to other years.
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:40 PM
May 2023

Then they extrapolate from there. Even in states TRYING to keep good records, there were so many unreported as Covid because it had never been diagnosed, they died alone at home, diagnosed "natural causes," Covid was undercounted. I had Covid before there was any widespread testing. You had to have somebody drive you to those outdoor testing sites so I didn't want to expose my loved ones to that in an enclosed car. But I had the high fever, severe headache, body pains. I'm one of millions of cases who had it but am not in the statistics because I never had a positive test.

IbogaProject

(3,085 posts)
6. COVID and accidents were 3 & 4
Mon May 15, 2023, 01:09 AM
May 2023

If you include things like heart attack while positive then COVID was #3, otherwise nearly tied w accidents. Over 200K covid deaths in 2022 wirh 50K more something plus covid. We will see better by the next elections. For every death there were several more seriously hurt. #s I saw were 3 GOP to every 1D in the death group. Even if that is only 50%.

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